How long should it take to become a very good pool player?

I use to run with alot of road players & from all I've gathered they all took a 2 year period of their lives where they played at least 8 hours a day every day.


Your right Troy, seems like all the players get bit by the bug , and thats all they do for years, eight hrs. a day or longer, then some lose the drive or it is something that is no longer required , they have reached their goal of ability they were looking to achive.



David Harcrow
 
every day !!

I believe what Billy the Kid said in Young Guns "You gotta test yourself everyday or you get slow." Myself if I play everyday it helps me more than anything I have yet to find .Problem is I am moving and rebuilding a empire !!
SO , I am getting slow and could be beaten and embarassed by a slug.....wait that happend last week. I'm just not gonna play leauges or tournaments till I get my table set back up and give this sport its proper time and respect.It takes what it takes .....sometimes quickly ,sometimes slowly but if you work at it or get lazy it will show up on you at the table.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS2tNzuve60

Changing up my avatar to remind me of Billy's wise words ,who knows I may have to play Lock someday and will need all I can muster.
 
There are many poor souls that will NEVER become very good pool players regardless of time, money, or effort expended.
 
I thank you for your input. To be a good player. Not a Pro!

It entirely depends on the person and what you mean by "good". If you mean making the money in the BCA Open most people can get there, if you mean having a chance to win the Grand Masters most players cannot get there no matter how much time they put in because they don't have the natural talent to get to that level.

I know a fairly well known player who lives in California now who used to live in Calgary and he had not alot of natural talent but a huge amount of drive and heart and spent years straight where he was always on a table shooting and gambling. He barely edged into the Masters level of the BCA. I know another player who was young at the time that played way less pool (although still alot) and reached Masters level in no time and then beyond. Ended up getting top 17 in the US Open 1 year and is one of the better players in Canada when he feels like he wants to be.

Both of those players put in different amounts of time into the game, and the guy who put in "less" time got better then the guy who put in "more". One beat Tommy Kennedy, Buddy Hall, Tony Robles, and a couple more pros in a US Open, the other is a relatively decent master level player in the BCA.

Natural talent matters. I have more then the one guy and less then the other and I know it.

You are right in all of what you said. I was talking about a player being real good. Not getting to the level of being a pro player. I appreciate your input and response. I really wanted to get other people opinions on the time it should take to play good pool from their perspective! And a few new pointers to use on my pool students. You filled it in perfectly. Thanks again.
Regards,
Lock N Load.
 
Hello, and thank you NellDrake for your great input!!

Lock N Load:
I think your reasons for wanting this information are valid and commendable. However, when you are dealing with people who have widely diverse abilities, desires, funding, and time constraints it is very difficult to quantitatively answer your question. The answer is probably 2 years to never. I have been playing pool for 11 years (I didn't learn until I was 60.) I decided that I wanted to get serious about the game in 2003 or '04 but I am probably only a C level or C+ (on my good days) and have finally accepted the fact that I will never reach the level of play that I desire. Nevertheless, it has brought some wonderful friends and experiences into my life and I plan to continue learning as long as I can stand up and hold a cue.
Good luck with your students. They have a caring instructor who wants to improve.
nelldrake@lakemartin.net

I appreciate the kind comments about me! I do care about my students, very much so. I am glad that you like pool and have progressed to the level that you play now. I like your answer to the post question. I hope that you have many more years of playing pool, and your level of play gets better each year! Thanks again. Age is just a number.....
Regards,
Lock N Load.
 
Catpool9, your post reply is Great! All so true as well....

Well I'm a nobody, have been around forever tho, to become a very good player/it depends on alot of variables/ your natural skill ability for one, how smart are you up stairs # two, dumbasses don't make it very far, some shoot like hell for awhile but after 10 or 15 yrs. they usually foldup, can't handle the pressure of day to day living, you need to be book smart /street smart/ have lots of common sense and be a happy go lucky guy, carefree type, if anything bothers you for long , well you can forget it, you don't have the mind set for it.

Well for instance, if the car motor blowed up!, well frack it , get another one, move on, don't dwell on crap , you'll never make a ball for the dough if you do!

Your on the rail, or jacked up over a ball ,cue ball resting in the only hole on the table, well this is what you got , make the best out of it, and win, or worry and loose it!, you want to be avg., good , pretty good, excellent , or a Champion!, it's all up to you really, if you got some smarts & some natural ability. Playing pool for some players just ain't gonna work out , it turns out tobe a pasttime sport, it just happens that way sometime no matter how much you want it ., ain't meant tobe.

I would say to become very good 6-12 yrs., took me about 6 yrs. but I still really didn't know nothing except run out, play a safe on me I was dead weight, unless I kicked it in, and I did, but you have to Absorb every move you ever saw your entire life as a whole and it all becomes one in the end!

To become an excellent player, "Champion", really about 20yrs., you may win a Championship before then, but you still may not be the Champion yet!, get your seasoning from playing other players, just being around different people from the pool world helps in small ways, every person in the pool world plays a part, you should know them all, scorekeeping , porters, rackman, backers, poolpolice, tournament anouncers, and of coarse The Poolplayer (You) know every angle of everything , from the daily double of motels, to helping someone down on their luck, not sayin take people to raise , just help folks when you can, believe it or not all this knowledge boils down to "One Living Breathing Entity" the Game! then your the Master, everything seems simple then , you practice a few hrs. aweek and run out for days! you smile at someone , or say thankyou and everyone in the poolroom that day may be on better terms with each other, negative people and negativity breeds, it gets on ya and ya can't get it off, if your that way , I will soon gently toss you out of my life, don't need dead people or dead weight around me!

Practice is realy not a certain amount of play each week, you practice when you can, all you can, untill it gets boring, then back off, when the urge strikes again and calls you back to the table you'll know what time it is!
Sometime I may practice four hrs. aweek, some one hour, but hell man I done shot millions of balls in the hole, it doesn't take me as long to get in the grove for pool, like it may for a beginner, when I was a youngester , if not in school or at home, I was playing pool somewhere, at 13yrs. I practiced breaking 9-ball every Sunday for Five hours for two years, did it help, you better believe it did!.

If you can't control "Whitey' your beat already, you learn control of the cueball you'll instantly become a winner!

I was a self taught poolplayer, but believe you me, just because that Old Champion didn't hand show me shots, he did teach me many things while I observed the games they played, associate yourself with people that seem to know what their doing, some you have to weed out because they don't really know squat!, you'll find that out as you ride along the road of life.

It is just an endless amount of things that culminates into one, knowing all the things I mentioned above help you make the balls believe it or not, you know why , because it is called "CONFIDENCE" until you get some your game will flutter like a duck, spit and sputter along, When you get confidence along with overall pool knowledge (seasoning), you have become the Master of the Game!.A winner!:)


David Harcrow

David, you summed it up perfectly! You covered all avenues! Thank you for your input, I appreciate it. Keep up the great work, and post! Thanks again.
Regards,
Lock N Load.
 
You are correct all the way!

There are many poor souls that will NEVER become very good pool players regardless of time, money, or effort expended.

Underclocked, some of the people will never make it in the pool world no matter what happens to them. Money, practice, and anything else will not help them. Thanks for your input, I appreciate it.
Regards,
Lock N Load.
 
Matt Lock, you have the right idea.

I believe what Billy the Kid said in Young Guns "You gotta test yourself everyday or you get slow." Myself if I play everyday it helps me more than anything I have yet to find .Problem is I am moving and rebuilding a empire !!
SO , I am getting slow and could be beaten and embarassed by a slug.....wait that happend last week. I'm just not gonna play leauges or tournaments till I get my table set back up and give this sport its proper time and respect.It takes what it takes .....sometimes quickly ,sometimes slowly but if you work at it or get lazy it will show up on you at the table.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS2tNzuve60

Changing up my avatar to remind me of Billy's wise words ,who knows I may have to play Lock someday and will need all I can muster.

Hello, I am glad you responded to my post. I thank you for your good input as well. You are on the right track. I appreciate hearing from you. Make sure you get a lot of practice in for the part you said about playing someone in New Orleans, Louisiana... Thanks again.
Regards,
Lock N Load.
 
You are right in all of what you said. I was talking about a player being real good. Not getting to the level of being a pro player. I appreciate your input and response. I really wanted to get other people opinions on the time it should take to play good pool from their perspective! And a few new pointers to use on my pool students. You filled it in perfectly. Thanks again.
Regards,
Lock N Load.

It depends on your definition of good. If you're talking A player, then 1 year is the fastest I've seen (more than once). Anything less is definitely achievable in a year; don't know about more.

Either way it depends on how committed the person is and how smart they are at learning how to play. Having the knowledge to make the right decisions is critical and like anything else depends on the person having the drive and perceptiveness to learn quickly.

Some people can watch pro pool and pick up on the high level stuff like why did he move the cueball so much to shoot the next ball in that pocket? Some pick up the nuances on how to move more consistently. Others will watch the same thing and not really pick up much of anything.

On top of all the knowledge, improving quickly also requires reasonably good fundamentals and/or natural talent. I don't think this is a huge limiting factor in being a good player in that there are plenty of people who can pocket balls good enough to get by within a year. Learning to pocket balls with english early on also helps students learn their own strokes faster. Not typically recommended, but otherwise you'll hit a snag down the road where they can pocket balls but miss when they try to move whitey - then it takes them another couple months to learn their stroke good enough to get consistent.

learning fast track:
- if the person has bad alignment, fix it before going further
- start learning the high-level game immediately with mentoring from a player with good decision making. Watch pro pool, pause after shots, and ask them what they'd do on the next shot and why.
- teach repeatable fundamentals e.g. SPF or whatever
- part of above but deserves mention on it's own: teach smoothness of stroke early on to ensure cue ball control steadily develops
 
I've seen beginners who have only been playing for a year but have a gift when it comes to coordination who play better than most guys who have been playing for 10 years. If you're answering this question for students new to the game though the last thing I would tell them is the blunt truth, which is it takes about 20 years of practicing and gambling 8-16 hours a day to become a really good player. Of course my definition of good might be a little higher than some.
 
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How Long

I have spent more hours than I like to think about, researching the progress in billiards of most of the best players who ever lived.
Without spending hours on the whys and hows, most great players had a knack for pocketing balls almost the first time they ever picked up a cue.
Within a few years they were competitive in any tournament they got in , no matter what age they started at , and within 5 years had become 90 to 95% of the best they would ever be.
There were some exceptions where they matured as players even faster.
Johnny Kling, for example.
In my research I never found anyone, who played at B or A speed for many years and then became a great player.
 
You will get as good as you're gonna get in about three years, or was that Golf they were talking about?
 
How long?

Thats an interesting question LocknLoad,

Its the reason I wrote my book and is the one thing I strive to do and that is take a new player and teach him how to aim.

What I found out is that if you have a concrete things to tell a player to look for and he finds out he can hit shots that everything else starts adding up much quicker.

Ball Movement, stroke gets better, alignment gets better, it all just gets better but if you dont know how to find the answer to the shots then it depends on how long it takes you to figure out something that works. How long can that take? Its your best guess.

I believe if I were to get a new student I could make him a "good player" in 12 months or less if he were willing to do what I told him.

A good player would be someone who could run out on you when you made a mistake and left him something good to work with.

336robin :thumbup:

aimisthegameinpool@yahoo.com for books
 
You will get as good as you're gonna get in about three years, or was that Golf they were talking about?

You continually get better at billiards if you put yourself around people that have knowledge ,(like an instructor),or better players than yourself, you may lose a step in stamina, but gain three with knowledge.

I started playing pool at age twelve at a church rec. room, playing snooker one summer"71", by the time I was thirteen I had played bar box pool at a friends house, I ran seven 9-ball racks straight at that time, at age fourteen I ran my first snooker rack, at age sixteen I was going out of town and state on weekends, bought my first car at that time.

I played pretty damn good except I didn't know nothing, a defense player would wear me down, put me in jail and I couldn't beat Minnie Pearl, but I soon learned defense after many beatings.


At eighteen I was a little more versed, I then went on the road with my brother Country Calvin and got the crash course of pool and the finer parts thereof untill age 24, by this time I was a walking rattlesnake! I knew everypool player in the country, couldn't sneak up on me!

Now I have a bad back and after 4-6 hrs. of continuous poolplaying I'm done, pool tournaments are fine, but long hours of gambling are over for me.


Pool is a continual learning curve, play of different tables , cloth's, learning more ways to make shots & play defense, new games and rules, your always learning.


David Harcrow
 
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Luckwouldhaveit, I thank you very much!

It depends on your definition of good. If you're talking A player, then 1 year is the fastest I've seen (more than once). Anything less is definitely achievable in a year; don't know about more.

Either way it depends on how committed the person is and how smart they are at learning how to play. Having the knowledge to make the right decisions is critical and like anything else depends on the person having the drive and perceptiveness to learn quickly.

Some people can watch pro pool and pick up on the high level stuff like why did he move the cueball so much to shoot the next ball in that pocket? Some pick up the nuances on how to move more consistently. Others will watch the same thing and not really pick up much of anything.

On top of all the knowledge, improving quickly also requires reasonably good fundamentals and/or natural talent. I don't think this is a huge limiting factor in being a good player in that there are plenty of people who can pocket balls good enough to get by within a year. Learning to pocket balls with english early on also helps students learn their own strokes faster. Not typically recommended, but otherwise you'll hit a snag down the road where they can pocket balls but miss when they try to move whitey - then it takes them another couple months to learn their stroke good enough to get consistent.

learning fast track:
- if the person has bad alignment, fix it before going further
- start learning the high-level game immediately with mentoring from a player with good decision making. Watch pro pool, pause after shots, and ask them what they'd do on the next shot and why.
- teach repeatable fundamentals e.g. SPF or whatever
- part of above but deserves mention on it's own: teach smoothness of stroke early on to ensure cue ball control steadily develops

You topped it off with your input. Covered a lot areas as well. That is my reason for wanting to get other people views and input on the thread subject. Well said Luck, and thanks again. I appreciate your input.
Regards,
Lock N Load.
 
Thanks Robin, good input!

Thats an interesting question LocknLoad,

Its the reason I wrote my book and is the one thing I strive to do and that is take a new player and teach him how to aim.

What I found out is that if you have a concrete things to tell a player to look for and he finds out he can hit shots that everything else starts adding up much quicker.

Ball Movement, stroke gets better, alignment gets better, it all just gets better but if you dont know how to find the answer to the shots then it depends on how long it takes you to figure out something that works. How long can that take? Its your best guess.

I believe if I were to get a new student I could make him a "good player" in 12 months or less if he were willing to do what I told him.

A good player would be someone who could run out on you when you made a mistake and left him something good to work with.

336robin :thumbup:

aimisthegameinpool@yahoo.com for books

Hello 336Robin,
I thank you for your input. All good points too. Your book must be real good! I appreciate your taking your time to give me very positive input.

Regards,
Lock N Load.
 
If you're a teenager with potential, it takes roughly 6years 3months.
If you're an absolute beginner with no ostensible talent for the game, it would obviously take much longer. I'd say 18years 9months on a 3x floating algorithm.

This is assuming your idea of "good" is just pocketing balls. However if by good, you mean understanding the nuances of the game, I'd multiply that by 7.58x and then divide it's inverse by pi, based on Ormond's Bell Curve Of Sustainable Polarity.

Hope this helps.
 
Thank you, Hangemhigh.

You will get as good as you're gonna get in about three years, or was that Golf they were talking about?

I appreciate your input, Hangemhigh. I have been shooting pool longer than my students are old, time wise. I still learn something different from time after time. The main learning comes in about the time you listed in your good input though. Thanks again. Golf, huh?
Regards,
Lock N Load.
 
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