A joint construction

The thing with threads, and I have said it before, is that they are an internal clamp. The more accurately executed they are, the more consistent & even pressure they apply.


I am a huge advocate of threads being used in cue construction. Ferrules, collars, internal construction threads are all part of what makes a solid playing instrument in my cue construction theory of ideas and thoughts. You just cannot get any better type peace of mind when pulling two or more pieces together when constructing "short splice" butts or applying collars to a fullsplice. I feel the threads create a mechanical bond that has a much greater chance of being there forever over any slip fit construction. But I also believe the glue used only keeps this mechanical bond from loosening and has very little to do with actual holding power. Wood swells and wood shrinks. Even the most properly seasoned wood is going to have a degree of movement in it depending on the environment it is assembled in and the many other environments it will go through in it's lifetime. . This is the purpose of using threads. You are not relying on the glue to hold the two parts together. Once the pressure is created it should always be present whether glue is applied to the connection or not. The glue when used properly also fills the voids needed in most type of threaded construction used which is a small but necessary item.....all of the above is strictly voiced IMO only.
 
I am a huge advocate of threads being used in cue construction. Ferrules, collars, internal construction threads are all part of what makes a solid playing instrument in my cue construction theory of ideas and thoughts. You just cannot get any better type peace of mind when pulling two or more pieces together when constructing "short splice" butts or applying collars to a fullsplice. I feel the threads create a mechanical bond that has a much greater chance of being there forever over any slip fit construction. But I also believe the glue used only keeps this mechanical bond from loosening and has very little to do with actual holding power. Wood swells and wood shrinks. Even the most properly seasoned wood is going to have a degree of movement in it depending on the environment it is assembled in and the many other environments it will go through in it's lifetime. . This is the purpose of using threads. You are not relying on the glue to hold the two parts together. Once the pressure is created it should always be present whether glue is applied to the connection or not. The glue when used properly also fills the voids needed in most type of threaded construction used which is a small but necessary item.....all of the above is strictly voiced IMO only.

tap tap tap!
My wheels are secured with lug nuts. If they were pressfit and epoxied, I won't drive the car.
 
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My wheels are secured with lug nuts. If they were pressfit and epoxied, I won't drive the car.
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Something to consider. ^

Sometimes I wonder if your wheels are attached or not LOL Oh you mean cues :)
 
So I assume this means buzzing rings at the "A" joint doesn't matter? Or that adhesive suppliers send you better glue than they send me? Either way I can't shake the feeling that i'm chasing my tail. Bueller?????Bueller?????Bueller

And if your highness doesn't mind, i'd like to correct you. I'm not a nit. I'm an asshole. My trophy looks like a giant horse's ass where yours more resembles a microscopic biting flea. Fitting....wouldn't you think?

Your awesome man! I dont know jack about cue building but I respect you speaking your mind openly!
 
Your awesome man! I dont know jack about cue building but I respect you speaking your mind openly!

LOL It's just internet banter. Can't take anybody too serious or get upset. Wouldn't do any good, anyway :) Thanks for the props
 
I have used the 11/16 inch one some cues it is a nice size, in between the 5/8 and 3/4 one other thing it can also depends if you are putting the tenon up or down if its going down, a non wrap cue would be a bit stronger because of the .050 added in that area. one of these days i am ordering 11/16 by .030 black fiber rings, if i had some i would use the 11/16 more than i do. Jeff
 
I've written on this thread about 3 times already and they disappear, so we'll try this one more time.

I'm still in the process of cutting wood round and waiting, but I'm planning to avoid using metal screws wherever possible. Is there anything inherently wrong with using a 4" tenon at about .650" diameter? I WILL be using a threaded connection to keep things tight and thinking about using Gorilla Glue since it tends to expand. Not sure how much I'll allow for the expansion. Any valid advice from nits, royalty, and commoners will be appreciated.
 
I've written on this thread about 3 times already and they disappear, so we'll try this one more time.

I'm still in the process of cutting wood round and waiting, but I'm planning to avoid using metal screws wherever possible. Is there anything inherently wrong with using a 4" tenon at about .650" diameter? I WILL be using a threaded connection to keep things tight and thinking about using Gorilla Glue since it tends to expand. Not sure how much I'll allow for the expansion. Any valid advice from nits, royalty, and commoners will be appreciated.

Figured I'd say it twice to improve my odds of a response. Seriously, I've posted at LEAST 4 times and they all disappear.
 
I've written on this thread about 3 times already and they disappear, so we'll try this one more time.

I'm still in the process of cutting wood round and waiting, but I'm planning to avoid using metal screws wherever possible. Is there anything inherently wrong with using a 4" tenon at about .650" diameter? I WILL be using a threaded connection to keep things tight and thinking about using Gorilla Glue since it tends to expand. Not sure how much I'll allow for the expansion. Any valid advice from nits, royalty, and commoners will be appreciated.

Get some cheap maple & start learning. Create several mock up cues with various joints & beat the hell out of them. Then do it again. Use different glues, techniques, tolerances, etc. Spend some time & money on learning it and you'll come out of it knowing far more than you could learn in here. Better yet, you'll find the joint that's best for you & you'll have confidence in knowing it holds strong. Then you can build cues for people without worry. Confidence is priceless & it can only be acquired through experience. Confidence without experience is called arrogance. Apply this logic to every aspect of cue making.

If you get stumped and cannot figure something out, after trying & trying, then ask the board if somebody has an idea for you. But at least try to learn before hand. Otherwise you are relying entirely on theory & idea with no factual knowledge. Even if somebody were to break it down for you, you'd not understand because you don't have enough knowledge from experience to comprehend. I'm not saying that you aren't smart. I'm saying that experience will teach you far more than anyone on here, and any tips you get from here are useless to you if you don't have the experience to understand it.

Perfect example is BHQ. Brent can't find his ass from a hole in the ground but he can build a good cue because he jumped in head first & did what it took to learn. He & I can talk advanced cue making all day long & completely understand what each other is saying, but heaven forbid I try talking politics with him.....or expect him to pay for dinner LOL Sorry Brent, just a funny :) Point is you can't learn the advanced stuff if you have never learned the basic stuff. There's no skipping steps. Some people learn fast, some slow. But doing is the best way of learning. And Brent's really not a dummy, just a sprinter when the dinner check comes.
 
I've written on this thread about 3 times already and they disappear, so we'll try this one more time.

Um, they haven't disappeared. They just are on other pages. In this fourm when there are enough post. It starts another page.

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As a complete novice to cue building who has experience in other sorta related fields and has been doing some research for years, is there anything inherently wrong with using a 3" long tenon for the A joint? That's what I am planning to do, unless someone says it just doesn't work and actually knows from experience. Any solid advice would be appreciated.

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Is there anything wrong with using a 4" tenon at around .7" diameter?

Jake was nice enough to answer you here in post #37

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Originally Posted by Lexicologist71
Is there anything wrong with using a 4" tenon at around .7" diameter?

i know of a guy who has been doing this with no failures, and me makes a nicer than average cue. Doesnt mean i'm going to try it. I like the additional pc of mind that threads are actually holding the cue together. Ultimately, with todays glues theres a good chance you could get away with it. But your not going to find many advocates of this construction method here.

Now Eric has given you the best advice of all.


Turn and learn

Larry
 
Get some cheap maple & start learning. Create several mock up cues with various joints & beat the hell out of them. Then do it again. Use different glues, techniques, tolerances, etc. Spend some time & money on learning it and you'll come out of it knowing far more than you could learn in here. Better yet, you'll find the joint that's best for you & you'll have confidence in knowing it holds strong. Then you can build cues for people without worry. Confidence is priceless & it can only be acquired through experience. Confidence without experience is called arrogance. Apply this logic to every aspect of cue making.

If you get stumped and cannot figure something out, after trying & trying, then ask the board if somebody has an idea for you. But at least try to learn before hand. Otherwise you are relying entirely on theory & idea with no factual knowledge. Even if somebody were to break it down for you, you'd not understand because you don't have enough knowledge from experience to comprehend. I'm not saying that you aren't smart. I'm saying that experience will teach you far more than anyone on here, and any tips you get from here are useless to you if you don't have the experience to understand it.

Perfect example is BHQ. Brent can't find his ass from a hole in the ground but he can build a good cue because he jumped in head first & did what it took to learn. He & I can talk advanced cue making all day long & completely understand what each other is saying, but heaven forbid I try talking politics with him.....or expect him to pay for dinner LOL Sorry Brent, just a funny :) Point is you can't learn the advanced stuff if you have never learned the basic stuff. There's no skipping steps. Some people learn fast, some slow. But doing is the best way of learning. And Brent's really not a dummy, just a sprinter when the dinner check comes.
i owe ya one :thumbup:
:kma::kma::bash::bash:
these guys dont know the funny story behind the
"the great valley forge let's mess with brent incident"
we'll do that in another thread
and now i know just WHO planned it :D
 
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i owe ya one :thumbup:
:kma::kma::bash::bash:
these guys dont know the funny story behind the
"the great valley forge let's mess with brent incident"
we'll do that in another thread
and now i know just WHO planned it :D

LOL I didn't plan it but I sure fueled the fire!!!! Dave & his wife actually were a bit reserved, for a nano-second. The rest of us were all for it right away.
 
LOL I didn't plan it but I sure fueled the fire!!!! Dave & his wife actually were a bit reserved, for a nano-second. The rest of us were all for it right away.
it was the BEST practical joke ever pulled on me,
i'll give credit for that much

even though i was permanently traumatized like joe dirt :D
 
I'm neither here nor there, Lee. I just thought i'd let you know about the troubles I had encountered & the reasoning behind it. Not everybody uses wood ring stacks like I do, nor wrapless so it may not be an issue. Using a 3/4" tenon with a buzz ring style joint is a fine joint & has been used forever with success. It just doesn't apply to every cue.

thanks very much ..lee
 
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