Playing with a Disability? (Earl-Shane)

"should not be allowed as an excuse for sharking their opponents in the manner that Earl has done during tournaments and matches. Competition should be on a level playing field but allowing Earl to shark his opponents gives him a huge psychological advantage.



Again, we have a two way street.

Some of the blame has to go to tournament directors who have let it go on for so long. As well as T.D's that let the hecklers try to 'push Earl's buttons'.

The wouldn't happen in golf, or tennis. Could you imagine someone heckling Tiger from the crowd? Just how long do you think it would be till they got ejected? A matter of seconds, that's all.

Why is pool different?

Earl's pretty much alright till someone pisses him off....that gets the ball rolling, the rest is downhill from there.

Who's sharking who?
 
disabilities

My Name is Duke, and most everyone that knows me, knows I suffer from severe Migraines and has robbed me of a great game. I also suffer from Bi-Polar,which I kept to myself, and that's a double whammy. I love the game so much, that I played through the years despite having to deal with the Migraines, and playing through the game despite the Headaches. My son is also Bi-Polar. I have been disabled since 1997 and my game has not been up to par with the players I had been used to play with. I played at different times on the Pro Tour and that is how I got my knowledge, not books dvds, or being taught. I knew at the time there was no way I could win the tournament, but when I lost a match, I took my cue to my room and came back to the tournament room to watch as much Pool as I could. I have learned so much from watching Strickland play and my game got so much better. Well I have been giving lessons and I'm going to start playing again. I set a goal for myself last year for April to start competing again and I'm not far off. I hope to see many former players again that I missed for so long and I can't wait to go out and play again. I will never let my Migraines or Bi-Polar keep me away from the game any longer and will never use either for an excuse for losing a match, I just deal with it inside me. I am just going to go out there and do the best I can. I am trying to get sponsored and this will make things much better, but either way, I'm coming back to play the game I love, and have missed so much. We all have to deal with these evil demons inside us, even if we don't show it on the outside. I have watched Earl play so much and imo, he has more god given talent then anyone, and he believes he should never lose a match, and there's nothing wrong with that. One more thing to the Strickland haters...Back at the US OPEN at 911.....Earl was the 1st person to stand up and donate a good bit of his money to a fund for that horrible day.
 
Again, we have a two way street.

Some of the blame has to go to tournament directors who have let it go on for so long. As well as T.D's that let the hecklers try to 'push Earl's buttons'.

The wouldn't happen in golf, or tennis. Could you imagine someone heckling Tiger from the crowd? Just how long do you think it would be till they got ejected? A matter of seconds, that's all.

Why is pool different?

Earl's pretty much alright till someone pisses him off....that gets the ball rolling, the rest is downhill from there.

Who's sharking who?
Pool shouldn't be any different than golf or tennis. Hecklers should be warned and ejected, if necessary.

I saw the third day of Earl's match and noticed that he was much calmer and more focused when he had his earmuffs on. If wearing earmuffs is what it takes for Earl to stay focused, then he continue to play with them in the future.
 
Apparently for Earl, if you move in your chair, eat a sandwich, or scratch your elbow while he's shooting, or clap for Shane when he makes a good shot, that's sharking. Yet, Shane never complained about any of that.

And, for that matter, Shane never complained about the obvious distractions of his opponent who was behaving like a rabid, caged tiger, frothing at the mouth, growling at everyone, and tearing up his corner!


Earl is talking to himself and fans as well. Who cares?. How is that sharking? I just don't get it. You mean to tell me that because Earl yells at himself and the fans, that makes SVB miss his shots? If these guy's are truly Professionals, then that should not faze them in the least. Who cares what Earl says and does? Are the other pro's that weak minded to let that affect them and make them play bad? If so then the term Professional is way over rated.
 
Again, we have a two way street.

Some of the blame has to go to tournament directors who have let it go on for so long. As well as T.D's that let the hecklers try to 'push Earl's buttons'.

The wouldn't happen in golf, or tennis. Could you imagine someone heckling Tiger from the crowd? Just how long do you think it would be till they got ejected? A matter of seconds, that's all.

Why is pool different?

Earl's pretty much alright till someone pisses him off....that gets the ball rolling, the rest is downhill from there.

Who's sharking who?



agreed ANY heckler should immediatly be ejected NO exceptions

and for all you online Earl haters it seems your all part of the problem as well seriously think before you type your derogatory opinions

sure is a strange phenomenon these days the way some people act online and also when there driving compared to how they act in person very strange indeed .....
 
I play pool with a 'mental condition' if you want to call it that. I have Aspergers Syndrome (AS) which is a high-functioning Autistic Spectrum Disorder.

I prefer to use the word GIFT to disability, but that's just me.

I will say with some conviction that pool is one of the toughest games to play with AS. The swings in the game can be huge, luck can play a part and not being able to play at your usual speed can be more frustrating than it really should be.

I have done a lot to research on the condition and to analyse my own behaviours and to see how I tick. I accept my limitations in social situations - I can only really do 1-on-1 conversation as opposed to large groups. Sometimes I can be withdrawn and not want to say much. Sometimes I think inappropriate things or find the most immature things funny but you'll never know because I say nothing or give away anything to express how I feel.

In pool specifically I had MAJOR issues when I picked up a cue for the first time last year. If I played a top amateur player who hardly ever missed, then dogged an easy ball it was a headf**k for me to even get to the table and play my shot, because I wasn't expecting a chance at the table. I couldn't adjust to the change in 'routine' - that being he shouldn't ever miss an easy ball.

I also had problems with flukes, the same way I had frustrations with river cards that led to a downward spiral for me in poker. Someone wins a rack that in my mind they 'shouldn't deserve to win'. GG WP opponent, you won cause you got me thinking for the match about one shot that was badly played.

I would have perceptions that people were all against me because I was new to the game and new to the area, when in reality they just wanted to see how I played.

Basically...anything I couldn't cope with mentally was an excuse for me to lose.

HOW I TURNED IT AROUND

First and foremost, for me the idea of looking like a complete idiot didn't appeal to me. It doesn't in any other part of life so why should I let it spill over to pool. I won't lie, it's a grind for me to stay on top of things but I respect myself so much more for being able to handle all my issues in such an effective way by introducing coping mechanisms and having mottos for everything to help me through.

The idea of pool for me is to have enjoyment and to win. If I want to enjoy pool I have to be playing and not sat in my chair, and this thought consumes me to a point where I no longer give a shit if somebody misses a shot they shouldn't. I'm grateful for a chance to get to the table, and likewise even if I'm hooked with a 5 rail kick as my only option, I'm just as happy to be at the table. You cannot win while being sat in your chair, so forget your stupid ideas and just wait for your chance to get to the table!!!

Pool is a massive test of a neuro-typical (you might refer to this as 'normal') persons character let alone somebody with Autism or a condition close to it. But it is a challenge that I've relished and taken on board.

Being understanding of my condition, it's limitations and my appreciation for what it has done for me in positive ways too makes it a lot easier to embrace. I wouldn't go as far as to say I'm proud to have Aspergers, but it has sure gained me a lot of achievements in different walks of life that I dont think I'd have achieved without it.

Not to blow my trumpet too much and I'm sorry if thats how it sounds but I have..

* By the age of 6 I could tell you every King and Queen of England and Scotland, and the years of which they ruled to and from, and which family they belonged to.

* By the age of 8 I could tell you every flag, capital city and basic statistics for every country in the world and give a basic history of the country and how it came about.

* Learned to play darts in February 2006, but August 2006 I played PDC darts circuit and by November 2006 I had beaten the then world ranked #6 Andy Jenkins 5-4 in a tournament in Scotland. Most pub players can play for a lifetime and never come close, but I did it in 8 months from throwing my first arrow!!!

* Learned to play chess in July 2008. Beat an International Master just a year after in a complex game in a simultaneous display where I had to play with precision to win.

In short, AS gives me a chance to soak up knowledge like a sponge and apply it a little easier. I don't think I'd be playing pool half decently in just over a year of play (I've ran plenty of 2 packs which isn't great but not bad for 1 year of play) and gained the knowledge I have if it wasn't for my gift.



This is as epic as a post can be so I'll shut up now. :) I wanted to give my experiences as a person who faces the difficulties pool provides in a confident manner despite having hurdles to cross. If you want it summed up in a sentence, then being understanding of yourself and what you can/can't do will aid you greatly in managing yourself in life, not just at the pool table. It has meant I can be a good dad when my baby is born next month, it means I have a fiancee who dotes on me as much as I dote on her, and I pretty much have a normal life. Something that most people with disorders are not afforded as they are wrapped in cotton wool by too many people :(

Baz
 
I play pool with a 'mental condition' if you want to call it that. I have Aspergers Syndrome (AS) which is a high-functioning Autistic Spectrum Disorder.

I prefer to use the word GIFT to disability, but that's just me.

I will say with some conviction that pool is one of the toughest games to play with AS. The swings in the game can be huge, luck can play a part and not being able to play at your usual speed can be more frustrating than it really should be.

I have done a lot to research on the condition and to analyse my own behaviours and to see how I tick. I accept my limitations in social situations - I can only really do 1-on-1 conversation as opposed to large groups. Sometimes I can be withdrawn and not want to say much. Sometimes I think inappropriate things or find the most immature things funny but you'll never know because I say nothing or give away anything to express how I feel.

In pool specifically I had MAJOR issues when I picked up a cue for the first time last year. If I played a top amateur player who hardly ever missed, then dogged an easy ball it was a headf**k for me to even get to the table and play my shot, because I wasn't expecting a chance at the table. I couldn't adjust to the change in 'routine' - that being he shouldn't ever miss an easy ball.

I also had problems with flukes, the same way I had frustrations with river cards that led to a downward spiral for me in poker. Someone wins a rack that in my mind they 'shouldn't deserve to win'. GG WP opponent, you won cause you got me thinking for the match about one shot that was badly played.

I would have perceptions that people were all against me because I was new to the game and new to the area, when in reality they just wanted to see how I played.

Basically...anything I couldn't cope with mentally was an excuse for me to lose.

HOW I TURNED IT AROUND

First and foremost, for me the idea of looking like a complete idiot didn't appeal to me. It doesn't in any other part of life so why should I let it spill over to pool. I won't lie, it's a grind for me to stay on top of things but I respect myself so much more for being able to handle all my issues in such an effective way by introducing coping mechanisms and having mottos for everything to help me through.

The idea of pool for me is to have enjoyment and to win. If I want to enjoy pool I have to be playing and not sat in my chair, and this thought consumes me to a point where I no longer give a shit if somebody misses a shot they shouldn't. I'm grateful for a chance to get to the table, and likewise even if I'm hooked with a 5 rail kick as my only option, I'm just as happy to be at the table. You cannot win while being sat in your chair, so forget your stupid ideas and just wait for your chance to get to the table!!!

Pool is a massive test of a neuro-typical (you might refer to this as 'normal') persons character let alone somebody with Autism or a condition close to it. But it is a challenge that I've relished and taken on board.

Being understanding of my condition, it's limitations and my appreciation for what it has done for me in positive ways too makes it a lot easier to embrace. I wouldn't go as far as to say I'm proud to have Aspergers, but it has sure gained me a lot of achievements in different walks of life that I dont think I'd have achieved without it.

Not to blow my trumpet too much and I'm sorry if thats how it sounds but I have..

* By the age of 6 I could tell you every King and Queen of England and Scotland, and the years of which they ruled to and from, and which family they belonged to.

* By the age of 8 I could tell you every flag, capital city and basic statistics for every country in the world and give a basic history of the country and how it came about.

* Learned to play darts in February 2006, but August 2006 I played PDC darts circuit and by November 2006 I had beaten the then world ranked #6 Andy Jenkins 5-4 in a tournament in Scotland. Most pub players can play for a lifetime and never come close, but I did it in 8 months from throwing my first arrow!!!

* Learned to play chess in July 2008. Beat an International Master just a year after in a complex game in a simultaneous display where I had to play with precision to win.

In short, AS gives me a chance to soak up knowledge like a sponge and apply it a little easier. I don't think I'd be playing pool half decently in just over a year of play (I've ran plenty of 2 packs which isn't great but not bad for 1 year of play) and gained the knowledge I have if it wasn't for my gift.



This is as epic as a post can be so I'll shut up now. :) I wanted to give my experiences as a person who faces the difficulties pool provides in a confident manner despite having hurdles to cross. If you want it summed up in a sentence, then being understanding of yourself and what you can/can't do will aid you greatly in managing yourself in life, not just at the pool table. It has meant I can be a good dad when my baby is born next month, it means I have a fiancee who dotes on me as much as I dote on her, and I pretty much have a normal life. Something that most people with disorders are not afforded as they are wrapped in cotton wool by too many people :(

Baz

Baz, I LOVE THIS POST! Thank you for sharing all this with us! I hope to meet you one day, preferably before you get too good at pool and kick my ass. :bow-down:
 
creedo,
sorry how i type bothers you.
Not sure what the point of your reply to my post was.

would you be able to figure it out if I put it in caps and bold? :)
You tried to say shane was only laughing at the equipment and not at earl's blowups.
It's just not true, he was laughing at Earl's antics (like so many other people were).

Good for you for being there, but it's right on video tape if you need proof.

Some people on the forum seem to feel that anyone who's ever laughed at Earl's behavior is somehow twisted and mean. I'm sorry, but it's normal human behavior, I'm not gonna feel bad about it.

We can all agree nobody should shark earl (or anyone else) during a match. I just don't buy the idea that everything is the disease's fault, and earl can't be held accountable for any of it.
 
Baz...Really fine post! You have accomplished much in your life already, with lots more to go. Congratulations on educating yourself about AS, and being able to "maintain", and even excel! Thanks for sharing! :thumbup:

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

I play pool with a 'mental condition' if you want to call it that. I have Aspergers Syndrome (AS) which is a high-functioning Autistic Spectrum Disorder.

I prefer to use the word GIFT to disability, but that's just me.

I will say with some conviction that pool is one of the toughest games to play with AS. The swings in the game can be huge, luck can play a part and not being able to play at your usual speed can be more frustrating than it really should be.

I have done a lot to research on the condition and to analyse my own behaviours and to see how I tick. I accept my limitations in social situations - I can only really do 1-on-1 conversation as opposed to large groups. Sometimes I can be withdrawn and not want to say much. Sometimes I think inappropriate things or find the most immature things funny but you'll never know because I say nothing or give away anything to express how I feel.

In pool specifically I had MAJOR issues when I picked up a cue for the first time last year. If I played a top amateur player who hardly ever missed, then dogged an easy ball it was a headf**k for me to even get to the table and play my shot, because I wasn't expecting a chance at the table. I couldn't adjust to the change in 'routine' - that being he shouldn't ever miss an easy ball.

I also had problems with flukes, the same way I had frustrations with river cards that led to a downward spiral for me in poker. Someone wins a rack that in my mind they 'shouldn't deserve to win'. GG WP opponent, you won cause you got me thinking for the match about one shot that was badly played.

I would have perceptions that people were all against me because I was new to the game and new to the area, when in reality they just wanted to see how I played.

Basically...anything I couldn't cope with mentally was an excuse for me to lose.

HOW I TURNED IT AROUND

First and foremost, for me the idea of looking like a complete idiot didn't appeal to me. It doesn't in any other part of life so why should I let it spill over to pool. I won't lie, it's a grind for me to stay on top of things but I respect myself so much more for being able to handle all my issues in such an effective way by introducing coping mechanisms and having mottos for everything to help me through.

The idea of pool for me is to have enjoyment and to win. If I want to enjoy pool I have to be playing and not sat in my chair, and this thought consumes me to a point where I no longer give a shit if somebody misses a shot they shouldn't. I'm grateful for a chance to get to the table, and likewise even if I'm hooked with a 5 rail kick as my only option, I'm just as happy to be at the table. You cannot win while being sat in your chair, so forget your stupid ideas and just wait for your chance to get to the table!!!

Pool is a massive test of a neuro-typical (you might refer to this as 'normal') persons character let alone somebody with Autism or a condition close to it. But it is a challenge that I've relished and taken on board.

Being understanding of my condition, it's limitations and my appreciation for what it has done for me in positive ways too makes it a lot easier to embrace. I wouldn't go as far as to say I'm proud to have Aspergers, but it has sure gained me a lot of achievements in different walks of life that I dont think I'd have achieved without it.

Not to blow my trumpet too much and I'm sorry if thats how it sounds but I have..

* By the age of 6 I could tell you every King and Queen of England and Scotland, and the years of which they ruled to and from, and which family they belonged to.

* By the age of 8 I could tell you every flag, capital city and basic statistics for every country in the world and give a basic history of the country and how it came about.

* Learned to play darts in February 2006, but August 2006 I played PDC darts circuit and by November 2006 I had beaten the then world ranked #6 Andy Jenkins 5-4 in a tournament in Scotland. Most pub players can play for a lifetime and never come close, but I did it in 8 months from throwing my first arrow!!!

* Learned to play chess in July 2008. Beat an International Master just a year after in a complex game in a simultaneous display where I had to play with precision to win.

In short, AS gives me a chance to soak up knowledge like a sponge and apply it a little easier. I don't think I'd be playing pool half decently in just over a year of play (I've ran plenty of 2 packs which isn't great but not bad for 1 year of play) and gained the knowledge I have if it wasn't for my gift.



This is as epic as a post can be so I'll shut up now. :) I wanted to give my experiences as a person who faces the difficulties pool provides in a confident manner despite having hurdles to cross. If you want it summed up in a sentence, then being understanding of yourself and what you can/can't do will aid you greatly in managing yourself in life, not just at the pool table. It has meant I can be a good dad when my baby is born next month, it means I have a fiancee who dotes on me as much as I dote on her, and I pretty much have a normal life. Something that most people with disorders are not afforded as they are wrapped in cotton wool by too many people :(

Baz
 
Pretty much any person with major personality disorders, major depression, or a serious bi-polar disorder (or a combination of the above since people with these issues are often suseptible to many at the same time) would trade their mental disorder for impaired hearing without question. People without a mental disorder who think they come down to "actions" have no clue. True mental disorders are caused by chemical imbalances in the brain, they are not behavioral conditions, they are medical. And the treatment (drugs) for true mental diseases are not well understood and tend to have a ton of negative side effects.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipolar_disorder
 
You are amazing

would you be able to figure it out if i put it in caps and bold? :)
you tried to say shane was only laughing at the equipment and not at earl's blowups.
It's just not true, he was laughing at earl's antics (like so many other people were).

Good for you for being there, but it's right on video tape if you need proof.

Some people on the forum seem to feel that anyone who's ever laughed at earl's behavior is somehow twisted and mean. I'm sorry, but it's normal human behavior, i'm not gonna feel bad about it.

We can all agree nobody should shark earl (or anyone else) during a match. I just don't buy the idea that everything is the disease's fault, and earl can't be held accountable for any of it.

you only saw about half of what went on at the match.
You saw neither player while the stream showed you the table shots.
I can only tell you that the vast majority of the mature adults there did not enjoy the nonsense that went on, it was not sharking, it was not entertaining.
The funny stuff was funny, yes, but the ranting & paranoia was embarrassing.

SLIM
 
SLIM...From Mike Gulyassy's posts, it seems like there was just as much distraction being "created" by the spectators, as by the players.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

you only saw about half of what went on at the match.
You saw neither player while the stream showed you the table shots.
I can only tell you that the vast majority of the mature adults there did not enjoy the nonsense that went on, it was not sharking, it was not entertaining.
The funny stuff was funny, yes, but the ranting & paranoia was embarrassing.

SLIM
 
Define distraction

slim...from mike gulyassy's posts, it seems like there was just as much distraction being "created" by the spectators, as by the players.

Scott lee
www.poolknowledge.com


scot,

if you consider someone in the third row of the bleachers chewing on their sandwich a distraction i would agree.
I would not consider that a distraction though.
Most of the distractions earl complained about were not legit.
Do you really think justin from tar would do anything to distract a player during a match?
There were only a couple instances where a member of the audience instigated any problems.
On sunday night it was just about silent in the room.
To me that is not necessary, but mike mousie had to demand it to keep earl from blowing up.

SLIM
 
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