A player with excellent aiming skills, but limited ability in other areas is a chronic 7-8 ball runner.
I should know.
I should know.
My theory is aiming means nothing...
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Amen to that!!! No truer words.
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And, a person with no aiming skills, but is the best in the world at all the other aspects of the game is a zero ball runner.
Amen to that!!! No truer words.
336Robin
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And, a person with no aiming skills, but is the best in the world at all the other aspects of the game is a zero ball runner.
that's all good but a 100% unrealistic scenario :thumbup:
Aiming is everything in pool,Banking ,kicking ,playing safe ,breaking and so on.
Everything you do in the game requires aiming dont you agree.
Did you happen to mean that pocketing balls isnt everything ?
No, the point is, it doesn't matter how you aim if you have a horrible stroke, stance, bridge etc. Its its true. Aiming is just a pieces to the puzzle.
Like if you miss a straight in stop shot, it wasn't because of aim. You have to be able to hit the cueball in a straight line consistently before you can do anything. That comes down to fundamentals and practice.
Film yourself shooting, I did
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXwyOv_K2U8
I used a still cam but it was enough to watch my stroke in slow motion.
The follow through is not what you think it is sometimes.
I thought I was doing one thing because the shots go in but after watching the film I was doing something else.
It gets rid of that aiming confusion.
I used a cam and shot profile and head on. The tiny things you notice in film are amazing. Now I have to figure out what to do and how to fix it.
I modified the film so I can focus on the stroke and cue stick.
My shot from the side its like I let the cue stick recoil from hitting the cue ball. I see it as a weak follow through. Or I somehow let the cue stick ride the cue ball before I follow through.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXwyOv_K2U8
I used a still cam but it was enough to watch my stroke in slow motion.
The follow through is not what you think it is sometimes.
I thought I was doing one thing because the shots go in but after watching the film I was doing something else.
It gets rid of that aiming confusion.
I used a cam and shot profile and head on. The tiny things you notice in film are amazing. Now I have to figure out what to do and how to fix it.
I modified the film so I can focus on the stroke and cue stick.
My shot from the side its like I let the cue stick recoil from hitting the cue ball. I see it as a weak follow through. Or I somehow let the cue stick ride the cue ball before I follow through.
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Point to make............
Even on your position shots if you don't hit the right amount of the ball your position is going to be off. Many shots you can hit too thick or thin and still make the shot.
This will greatly effect your shape. Now you really have to aim on this next tough shot.
Every game is about aiming. You make the ball you win the game. You play bad shape but make the ball you get the cash.
You get bad shape but make the ball in a tournament you can win the tourny.
If you miss it's over........most of the time.............
Even on your position shots if you don't hit the right amount of the ball your position is going to be off. Many shots you can hit too thick or thin and still make the shot.
This will greatly effect your shape. Now you really have to aim on this next tough shot.
Every game is about aiming. You make the ball you win the game. You play bad shape but make the ball you get the cash.
You get bad shape but make the ball in a tournament you can win the tourny.
If you miss it's over........most of the time.............
We're not talking about ball pocketing, we're talking about aiming. You can know EXACTLY where the CB needs to go and that doesn't do you a $h1t bit of good if you can't stroke it there....
skillsets In order of importance according to Jaden:
1) Stroke
2) Aiming
3) Knowledge
4) (most important) All of the above!!!!!!
Jaden
I agree with you,but then again if you taught a blind man perfect pool fundamentals would it do him any good?lol
Here is my theory...
If you knew EXACTLY where to hit to make a shot, for every shot, you would not play any better than your current level. My contention is that there is SO MUCH to this game, that the theoretical aiming point, line, ball, whatever, is an almost insignificant portion of your overall performance as a player.
How can we prove (or disprove) this theory?
1. Place one of Joe Tuckers ghost ball training aidsunder every single ball in a rack of 9 ball. This will tell you the perfect "ghost ball" location for each ball.
2. See if you can run the rack.
3. Repeat 50 racks, keeping score of how many balls you ran each rack.
4. Repeat 50 more racks, without the aid, and keep score.
5. Compare your results.
a lot of people on here work on the wrong things.
i cant even tell you how i aim.
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Real Bartram,
Thats exactly why I wrote this book. Ive quit and come back to pool a few times in my life and the last time was after just way too many years and whatever I was doing before that I couldnt describe to you either, well I forgot how to do whatever that was.
Not that it would matter to someone like yourself who isnt having any trouble I thought that someone might want a pathway to find this nearly undescribeable state when it all seems to be working for you. Well I believe that Ive got the pathway right here because that is where I got back to.
If youve ever been lost like I was after 20 yrs or so or just dont see things the way you need to I think my book is a good one for you. I always thought it was interesting that when I came back to pool that no one could really describe what it was they were doing. So I kind of made that my project.
What I found was that my methods fit in perfectly with the ability to check the shot and then let it go and fire them in because all you really need is a simple reference to get you right on to what youre supposed to do. Then you just do it and it gets better and better with English.
336robin :thumbup:
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Real Bartram,
Thats exactly why I wrote this book. Ive quit and come back to pool a few times in my life and the last time was after just way too many years and whatever I was doing before that I couldnt describe to you either, well I forgot how to do whatever that was.
Not that it would matter to someone like yourself who isnt having any trouble I thought that someone might want a pathway to find this nearly undescribeable state when it all seems to be working for you. Well I believe that Ive got the pathway right here because that is where I got back to.
If youve ever been lost like I was after 20 yrs or so or just dont see things the way you need to I think my book is a good one for you. I always thought it was interesting that when I came back to pool that no one could really describe what it was they were doing. So I kind of made that my project.
What I found was that my methods fit in perfectly with the ability to check the shot and then let it go and fire them in because all you really need is a simple reference to get you right on to what youre supposed to do. Then you just do it and it gets better and better with English.
336robin :thumbup:
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How's this for a theory.....there is no aiming its all visualization and these "systems" are nothing more than different visualization methods. I've made more great shots, had long runs, for me, from visualizing the outcome of the shots and not thinking about the "parts" of making a shot.
In target shooting, there are the sight and the bulleye's or whatever. You align the guns sights in such a manner that you hit the target. I called these hard points in that everyone see's the same thing and can touch them, basiclly real world points.
There are no such things in pool. Everyone has to visualize everything in making a shot.
So there is no aiming in pool.
All the "parts" of making a shot need to be brought together as a whole to play really well consistently, day in and day out. No "system" can do that.
No system will help you with a shot you have never attempted before. It is what you see you want to do and the years of experince that is gonna make that shot on the first try for you. The carom I post at times is a example of this.
Another theory I have is that systems users do not trust themselves, hence that use of a "system". Table time is the only way to build that trust in yourself. Trying those shots that are extremely hard until you make them enough times, they become second nature. No system can do this.
All the "parts" have to come together like a dance. A dance flows, moves, pauses, changes of rythm, timing and so on. Same at being at the table.
It's all got to come together, there has to be mushin.
In target shooting, there are the sight and the bulleye's or whatever. You align the guns sights in such a manner that you hit the target. I called these hard points in that everyone see's the same thing and can touch them, basiclly real world points.
There are no such things in pool. Everyone has to visualize everything in making a shot.
So there is no aiming in pool.
All the "parts" of making a shot need to be brought together as a whole to play really well consistently, day in and day out. No "system" can do that.
No system will help you with a shot you have never attempted before. It is what you see you want to do and the years of experince that is gonna make that shot on the first try for you. The carom I post at times is a example of this.
Another theory I have is that systems users do not trust themselves, hence that use of a "system". Table time is the only way to build that trust in yourself. Trying those shots that are extremely hard until you make them enough times, they become second nature. No system can do this.
All the "parts" have to come together like a dance. A dance flows, moves, pauses, changes of rythm, timing and so on. Same at being at the table.
It's all got to come together, there has to be mushin.
Natural talent and the kind of concentration for the zone you acheive in my opinion by watching you play can't be worked on. Some people got it and some don't and never will. You are a natural talent who understands how to win and what it takes to do so.
So what should we be working on?
You are so right ............
Hi there Robin,
I just wanted to say you are so right. There is alot of wisdom in what you are saying here.
Have a great day Geno...........
Hi there Robin,
I just wanted to say you are so right. There is alot of wisdom in what you are saying here.
Have a great day Geno...........
i cant tell you i have never watched you play.
1 play tourneys around home
2 play the best players you can cheap
3 take a lesson once in a while from that good player