Mr. Mark Griffin & Mr. Bill Stork

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C. Carl McConnell

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Mr. Mark Griffin CEO BCAPL &
Bill Stork Head Referree BCAPL
Dear Mark Griffin, CEO BCAPL &
Bill Stock, Rules Administrator, BCAPL

This letter is intended to make you aware that your methods were sneaky and underhanded and unprofessional. Since my last communication with you, you have removed me from your incoming mail list, I have sent you two E-Mails since then that have gone unanswered. That only leaves me with a public forum for communicating with you. I am aware of your desire to keep all public information of a positive nature, but you have asked for this one!
On the following date I received the following message by E-Mail:
Carl McConnell 1/31/2011
PO Box 1788
Port Townsend, WA 98368
Member # 1119-0179914


Mr. McConnell

Effective immediately, you are hereby banned from any further participation in any BCA Pool League or BCAPL sanctioned events or tournaments.

The reason for our actions is your continued disruption and interference of an existing league (BCAPL # 263). Equally bothersome is the time and effort our office has spent to explain our policies to you. You have insisted that the Juan De Fuca Pool League change their rules, going so far as to threaten legal action. Leagues are allowed to alter rules they feel are in the best interests of the players of the local league. In the best interest of the leagues, we feel that your participation is a detriment .

The banishment is indefinite. However, you may apply to the National Office after June 1st, 2011 provided there are no further disruptive actions on your part or others on your behalf. We would evaluate your situation at that time.


Bill Stock
CueSports International
BCA Pool League
Director of Referees
Rules Administrator
bill@playcsipool.com


cc:
Kevin Fong, League Operator #1119
Trish Holden, League Operator #263
Darcy Williams, WBCA President
Bret Baker, WBCA Vice-President
Bill Henderson, WBCA Events Coordinator

Isn’t that a mouthful of BS.
All of this without the benefit of a trial of my piers or hearing of any kind, just dictatorial and hearsay!
All that I did was to circulate a petition to change the rules back to BCAPL Rules and acquiring a vote of 54.17% in favor. During this not one player was bothered during their game, I have a witness. For this you accuse me of disruption of league #263. It couldn’t be the bulletin board notices, I didn’t require anyone to read them and I had no other contact with any of them.
Our mission has and always will be to serve our membership and give them the most enjoyable playing experience possible. This is just another step in that direction. Thank you all for your support!! ( Bill Stock & Mark Griffin)
Who was it that told you that the Juan De Fuca Pool League had 32 members? 1st Code of Ethics. Fraud, deceit, and misrepresentation. Is this fair and honest? Does it expand Pool Leagues? Please see their Web-Site and then go to week #17 and read the item highlighted in yellow.
And who was it that told you that I had interfered with the League Play? 1st Code of Ethics. Fraud, deceit & misrepresentation!
How was my de-sanctioning done with respect and courtesy, it was done impersonally by mail. Without mention of petitioning or of hearing by a jury of my piers just presumed guilt. So much for the misrepresenting or availability of sanctioning for me. What about your obligation for in a “fair and honest manner”? What happen to”dignity", respect and courtesy”?
And what about reflecting discredit upon the sport the BCAPL sanctioned (or advertised to be sanctioned) leagues or the BCAPL when others hear about this?
What about the time that the BCAPL has in this situation, I find the following:
Please email Bill Stock at bills@playcsipool.com with any questions regarding these and any BCAPL rules. (I did this and now he’s trying to use that as one of the excuses for the de-sanctioning letter above.)
I notified the league operator and the BCAPL about the results of my petitioning by E-Mail but the league operator acted quickly to request de-sanctioning before the BCAPL could read their E-Mail and they jumped to rescue the league operators request for de-sanctioning and sent out the de-sanctioning letter.
On or before Oct. 15, 2010 The Juan de Fuca Pool League held it’s preseason meeting. A new rule was introduced, calling the 9-Ball if you were going to play a combination, while it passed the method of representation wasn’t clear. The presentation was do you want to continue using last years rules, the vote was unanimous for the members present. However, The current league operator was under the mistaken impression that we had played call pocket 9-Ball last year and promptly announced that this year we are going to play this same game. It also didn’t matter to her if over half of the players in the league were smokers and were outside at the time smoking. Before the first week of play the game changed again to call pocket 9-Ball on all shots without a vote of the membership, foul is ball-in-hand. I’m going to draw your attention to: violations are in red:
CODE OF ETHICS :
We shall not engage in illegal activity involving moral turpitude or conduct involving dishonesty, fraud, deceit or misrepresentation.

We shall not make a material false statement, nor deliberately fail to disclose a material requested fact, in
connection with an application for sanctioning with the BCAPL

We shall at all times treat all players, other leagues and the public with dignity, respect and courtesy.

We shall always conduct ourselves and our league business in a fair and honest manner refraining at all times from conduct or practices that inhibit the expansion of pool leagues or that reflect discredit upon the sport other BCAPL-sanctioned (or advertised as to be sanctioned) leagues or the BCAPL


We shall not engage in or permit any unauthorized use of the Association's name or logo or the unauthorized use of any other materials in which the BCAPL claims a proprietary interest.

We shall not misrepresent the existence or availability of BCAPL sanctioning for any league or player.

Affirmation
League Operators are bound to abide by the aforementioned Pledge and Code of Ethics as a condition of sanctioning with the BCA Pool League, subject to the review of the BCAPL. The BCAPL reserves the right to deny any applicant, as well as revoke any league sanctioning from an operator it deems, at its sole and absolute discretion, operates in an unfair or dishonest manner, inhibits the expansion of pool leagues, LIKE TRISHES REDUCTION IN NUMBER OF LEAGUE MEMBERS DURING 2009/2010 & 2010/2011 LEAGUE YEARS, discredits the sport or other BCAPL sanctioned leagues, discredits the BCAPL or operates to undermine the growth of the BCAPL league system by negligent, unethical or immoral behavior.

League Operator_________________________________________________Date____________________

As important as that is the league operator didn’t stop there. At the beginning of the year she was untruthful to the BCAPL, you see her league didn’t have the required number of players or number of teams before league started as required for league sanctioning, 24 members with 5/4 man teams doesn’t meet the criteria. The BCAPL Web-Site over ten times states that it takes 30 members with 6/4man teams to be sanctioned by the BCAPL. Check it out on their Web-Site www.juandefucapoolleague.com (this league has no subs), and www.playbca.com.

Under the BCAPL Rules Book USA Pool League Match Playing Rules.
BCA PL Rules: Unless contradicted or amended in these regulations, The Official Rules of the BCA pool league will govern play.

Statement from playbca.com.
League News


BCAPL Announces New Rule BookThe BCA Pool League (BCAPL) today announced the creation of a new rule book designed exclusively for BCAPL play. Over one year in the making, The Official Rules of the BCA Pool League becomes effective October 1, 2007. At that time, all BCAPL play will be governed by the BCAPL Official Rules. According to Mark Griffin, "The BCAPL believes the time is right for the introduction of its own set of rules. We feel our loyal and valued members deserve a single, easy to understand document covering all aspects of BCAPL play. Our new book will ensure consistent application of the rules regardless of whether you play in a local, state, regional or national event."

As much good as you do for the game of pool you are equally destroying it by your position on your own rules, hence your recent lack of growth. Get a clue Mark Griffin! Once again make me a member in good standing and include a letter of apology.
Am I having the most enjoyable playing experience possible? DEFENATELY NOT!!
Thank You,
C. Carl McConnell
 

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Carl...Sounds to me like they're completely justified in banning you. You're a troublemaker who doesn't want to play by the rules. I'd ban you too. You should take this blather somewhere else, or it might get you banned here too...not that you'd probably care.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
So you don't like the rules? Then find another league to play in. Is it ok for someone to come into your business and tell you how to run it or which rules and regulations should and shouldn't be changed? I love how fanatical people get over pool league. I get the feeling this post is going to hurt you alot more than its going to help.

I encourage Mark to not even respond to this post, as the e-mails above actually do a perfectly fine job of defending the decision to ban Mr. McConnell.

Edit: Posting it twice in the main forum isn't too bright either.
 
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On the following date I received the following message by E-Mail:
Carl McConnell 1/31/2011
PO Box 1788
Port Townsend, WA 98368

Mr. McConnell

Effective immediately, you are hereby banned from any further participation in any BCA Pool League or BCAPL sanctioned events or tournaments.


Isn’t that a mouthful of BS.
All of this without the benefit of a trial of my piers...
Mr. McConnell must live close to the water. :groucho:
 
So you don't like the rules? Then find another league to play in. Is it ok for someone to come into your business and tell you how to run it or which rules and regulations should and shouldn't be changed? I love how fanatical people get over pool league. I get the feeling this post is going to hurt you alot more than its going to help.

I encourage Mark to not even respond to this post, as the e-mails above actually do a perfectly fine job of defending the decision to ban Mr. McConnell.

Edit: Posting it twice in the main forum isn't too bright either.

Or better yet just start your own league. Being a league operator myself I know first hand you CANNOT please everyone.
 
At least tell us why you think you were kicked out.

Were there specific actions that you remember being warned about like certain behavior, kind of like before Earl was ejected from a tourney recently?
 
Kicked Out

I see that this post is still open so I will respond again here. No there was never any warning or mention of warning like Earl. I never exchanged a word with her or any one in her league until I was seeking signatures and then it was just a greeting. She new that she had this power I just didn't know how easily she would use it. This I believe is the second time for her, however, I had forgotten about the first! She had kicked a member of her own team out of the league or so I thought for supossedly intimadating his opponent by leud remarks. I was watching the games closely and never heard him say a word. He was never allowed to return.

I know exactly why I was de-sanctioned, because the league operator didn't want to notify the league that the rules would have to change because of the petition. She would have to admit defeat and that's not in her charactor just the same line of thought as the game she instituted called Call Pocket 9-Ball, put pressure on your opponent and break their concentration so you can have one more shot at winning!
C. Carl McConnell
 
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I think this is going to be an unlucky #13 post for Mr. C. Carl McConnell.

Carl you are not on trial and they have a right to ban you for what ever reason.
If your rights under the constitution have been violated, then you would have a right to a fair trial. The same rules do not apply here.

You do have the right to remain silent, although you may not have the ability.
 
I know exactly why I was de-sanctioned, because the league operator didn't want to notify the league that the rules would have to change because of the petition.
C. Carl McConnell

Griffin sent me some weird PM when I was discussing a possible way players could protect themselves from the USPPA disaster. I started talking about requiring tournament organizers to prove they have the prize money before the event begins or have a means to pay the prize money prior to the start of the event.

And then he started PMing me that he pays out or some unrelated nonsense. It would be likely he misunderstood the topic of discussion I was having in the USPPA sticky. It is likely he misunderstood your intention behind the petition and considered it a threat to the "status quo" of how he does business.

Whatever it was I have had a misunderstanding with Griffin as well. Not much can be done when misunderstandings happen, either way people work to resolve them or they remain a barrier to developing a mutual understanding.

If one person holds firm beliefs and another person has firm beliefs that differ that is going to lead to conflict regardless. Hopefully someone acts with understanding and resolves the issue and both parties learn from the conflict.

There are rumors that the acquisition of BCAPL was obtained with questionable means.
 
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I know exactly why I was de-sanctioned, because the league operator didn't want to notify the league that the rules would have to change because of the petition.
C. Carl McConnell

I don't believe I have ever read anywhere in they BCA's rules that they will or have to change rules because of a petition. As others have said, if you don't like the rules find another league or start your own.

This is not a democracy, it is a business. In business, the owner is the dictator. In this case, dictating the rules.
 
I don't believe I have ever read anywhere in they BCA's rules that they will or have to change rules because of a petition. As others have said, if you don't like the rules find another league or start your own.

This is not a democracy, it is a business. In business, the owner is the dictator. In this case, dictating the rules.

+1. :thumbup:
 
I don't believe I have ever read anywhere in they BCA's rules that they will or have to change rules because of a petition. As others have said, if you don't like the rules find another league or start your own.

This is not a democracy, it is a business. In business, the owner is the dictator. In this case, dictating the rules.

It is clear the BCAPL is not interested in customer service issues. Happens with startups they want new people and lose the loyal brand customers.
 
It is clear the BCAPL is not interested in customer service issues. Happens with startups they want new people and lose the loyal brand customers.

I disagree. I do not think it is clear the BCAPL is not interested in customer service issues.

Startups do not have loyal brand customers and the BCAPL is hardly a start-up.

I don't know what your beef is with Mark or the BCAPL, but from everything I have ever seen or read about Mark and the BCAPL has been top notch in my book.

I ran a small in house league for the BCA years back, and trust me, you can't please everyone. You can try, but it will never happen. I'm sure Mark and his team try to do what they can for customer service issues, but there is limited time and resources. I'm sure every issue cannot be attended to with the proper amount of detail on the National level. This is why they must trust the local league operators to handle issues like this.

Ask not what your league operator can do for you; ask what you can do for your league operator.
 
Isn’t that a mouthful of BS.


Yup......that's exactly what I thought of this rant.

Kudos to the gent/lady that made the dock/wharf comment.

Maybe this fellow should peer over the pier, or perhaps just jump off....Dan
 
I disagree. I do not think it is clear the BCAPL is not interested in customer service issues.

Startups do not have loyal brand customers and the BCAPL is hardly a start-up.

I don't know what your beef is with Mark or the BCAPL, but from everything I have ever seen or read about Mark and the BCAPL has been top notch in my book.

I ran a small in house league for the BCA years back, and trust me, you can't please everyone. You can try, but it will never happen. I'm sure Mark and his team try to do what they can for customer service issues, but there is limited time and resources. I'm sure every issue cannot be attended to with the proper amount of detail on the National level. This is why they must trust the local league operators to handle issues like this.

Ask not what your league operator can do for you; ask what you can do for your league operator.

It seem like the guy didn't take a suggestion well and just kicked the guy out. Getting kicked out of a league is so ridiculous but since this guy claims it happen I just want to know why and if there were warning signs.

I know not everyone will be happy with the situation as it is but to kick a guy out for making a suggestion seems unusual. Just to be sure its best to get as much info as possible from the person who was kicked out.

Mark didn't have to oblige all he had to do was explain why the current situation is better than with the suggested situation.

People have a hard time taking criticism this is about as complicated as it gets.

There is no harm in having a discussion. Unless your a communist and prefer censorship. Even the best businesses have feedback lines to ensure that things are going well overall.

The situation I see is a guy volunteered to do customer service work volunteered his information to a private business organization and then was outed for offering the suggestion. I know times are tough and the economy is weak but getting volunteer work for free deserves at least a warning not so much a direct eviction.
 
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It seem like the guy didn't take a suggestion well and just kicked the guy out. Getting kicked out of a league is so ridiculous but since this guy claims it happen I just want to know why and if there were warning signs.

I know not everyone will be happy with the situation as it is but to kick a guy out for making a suggestion seems unusual. Just to be sure its best to get as much info as possible from the person who was kicked out.

Mark didn't have to oblige all he had to do was explain why the current situation is better than with the suggested situation.

People have a hard time taking criticism this is about as complicated as it gets.

There is no harm in having a discussion. Unless your a communist and prefer censorship. Even the best businesses have feedback lines to ensure that things are going well overall.

The situation I see is a guy volunteered to do customer service work volunteered his information to a private business organization and then was outed for offering the suggestion. I know times are tough and the economy is weak but getting volunteer work for free deserves at least a warning not so much a direct eviction.

I hardly believe it was this simple and I don't believe Mark would kick someone out of a league for a simple rule suggestion (or what ever this is all about). From the language and tone in the first post, I think there is a lot that wasn't mentioned. And remember, we only have one side of the story and it's not Marks.
 
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