US Open, should we support it?

cleary said:
Post dated checks should not be an issue. Pool players need money management skills. Im a professional in my own field. When I finish a job, be it one day for 2 months, I send an invoice and wait. Most pay within 30 days but some got 90-120 days. I would rather have the money asap, but I can live with people being late. It's larger chuncks of money so u understand why. Am I gonna fire a client because they pay me 3 months late, nope. I can't wait to work for them again. Cause they paid!!!!

At the same time professional ball players get contracts for huge amounts. Must be nice! But they don't get the full sum at once. They get pay checks. It's broken up over the courses of that contract duration of the contract.

When people are willing to get you money, take what you can get and get more when you can. The players earned that money and they should get it. But don't burn a bridge trying to get it and ruin future money.
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I totally understand about ball players contracts but that is their contract. They signed it knowing the larger chunk of the money comes towards the end of the deal and thats what they expect. Now the players of pool don't have a contract at all but verbally they do and that agreement is I pay my entry, I play. I win and I get paid right then. Thats the point I think. Its not they don't get paid but that isn't what they signed up for. For a player who hasn't got a lot of money and has spent all the associated $$ out having to wait for the money don't really work for them as they may have rent due, or a light bill to pay who knows what. Thats my only point on the matter.
 
YES:thumbup:



cbi1000 said:
Let me first start by saying i may or may not have all the facts, so if anyone can chime in that would be great.

It's my understanding that the players didn't get paid for several months after the tournament.

And isn't also true that has not been the first time this has happened?

If so,

At what point do we as fans stick up for the players and also demand the prize money be posted before the tournament starts?

Just a question, looking for opinions.
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i know a couple of guys that played in it last year. on pretty high up in the money. (SVB) and they will both be going back. i see no reason why i or any one else would boycott.
 
cleary said:
Yo, can I borrow $200 for this great investment?
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This is why pro players should not pay entry fees.

Because the organizer is asking to borrow money for a great investment and not giving the investors a cut if its profitable.

At least call it a down payment for the tournament expenses instead of an entry fee.
 
justnum said:
This is why pro players should not pay entry fees.

Because the organizer is asking to borrow money for a great investment and not giving the investors a cut if its profitable.

At least call it a down payment for the tournament expenses instead of an entry fee.
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If they want a cut to get a if it is profitable as you say, should they also "Take" a cut in their winnings and share the loses if there are any? You can't have it both ways.
Also, are you suggesting the players pay after the tournament good luck with that, how would that work? When should they pay then? You must have an idea or you would not have brought it up.
 
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macguy said:
If they want a cut if it is profitable as you say should they also "Take" a cut and share the loses if there are any? You can't have it both ways.
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Then it is agreed they disclose how much is spent on the tournament in exchange the entry fee is considered startup capital. And the "angel investors" get a cut if the tournament is profitable if not at least everyone knows how much they are going to lose.
 
justnum said:
Then it is agreed they disclose how much is spent on the tournament in exchange the entry fee is considered startup capital. And the "angel investors" get a cut if the tournament is profitable if not at least everyone knows how much they are going to lose.
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Then it would involve a lot more up front from the players then an entry fee. They would have to share all expenses in advance. Each player would have to send say $2000.00 to be a part of it and would get back investment along with a share of the profits should there be any. Under that agreement the promoter would have to have a guarantee salary for putting on the tournament, not just an equal share. The players would all have to sign financial agreements. Maybe it is something you should do.
Actually what I am describing is what players should do anyway. Run their own tour as a traveling show, like a rodeo or carnival. Same players different city each month and they share the profits.

I should add regarding your comment "Seed capital". Most tournaments have less then half a field if that just a day or two before the tournament. Players do not willingly pay entry fees in advance. Many pay the day of the tournament. There would by no tournaments what so ever under your scenario. The promoter always spends most all the advance money long before they receive the first entry fee.
 
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this is old news, its been this way a long time. The players just didnt put the biz in the street(until the internet); Barry has awalys made good. let it go, its between the players and Barry. Unless your a player thats gonna cash high in the event its not any of your business. If the internet hadnt came along and outed the world on everything nobody but the people who are directly involved would even know. Or people close to it,

I knew about it for years but didnt say a word as it wasnt my business. It still aint my business, unless I somehow catch a monster gear and play a whole lot better than I do now, and should I ever get so lucky I'll deal with it then. Barry has done a ton for pool and made good on everything at the end of the day.


Best Eric :)
 
macguy said:
Then it would involve a lot more up front from the players then an entry fee. They would have to share all expenses in advance. Each player would have to send say $2000.00 to be a part of it and would get back investment along with a share of the profits should there be any. Under that agreement the promoter would have to have a guarantee salary for putting on the tournament, not just an equal share. The players would all have to sign financial agreements. Maybe it is something you should do.
Actually what I am describing is what players should do anyway. Run their own tour as a traveling show, like a rodeo or carnival. Same players different city each month and they share the profits.
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Don't stop there. They could also have relationship building exercises.

So the players not competing in billiards can have a dancing competition, a karaoke competition and even a debate competition. Anything to help them build a community together because as it is there are few visible signs of unity between billiards players. Other than the traditional photo with trophy and prize money.

Why not even invite the wives and start a wives of billiards players group. This way the relationship between the community is strong. Even get some line dancing, maybe someone can cook, so they can eat together and possibly, I know it is risky but talk to each other.
 
justnum said:
Don't stop there. They could also have relationship building exercises.

So the players not competing in billiards can have a dancing competition, a karaoke competition and even a debate competition. Anything to help them build a community together because as it is there are few visible signs of unity between billiards players. Other than the traditional photo with trophy and prize money.

Why not even invite the wives and start a wives of billiards players group. This way the relationship between the community is strong. Even get some line dancing, maybe someone can cook, so they can eat together and possibly, I know it is risky but talk to each other.
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Also please see a comment I added to my other post as you were answering.
 
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Mr441 said:
He didn't want to carry all that cash on a plane??!!! Why would he have to give him cash? Why not a check?
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I don't get paid to proofread it for logic errors, continuity errors or fact check it.

It is what AZ publishes.

The story would have been better developed had they received Darren's direct comments about the payment instead of Barry quoting Darren. But that is an editorial decision, way above my pay grade.
 
justnum said:
This is why pro players should not pay entry fees.

Because the organizer is asking to borrow money for a great investment and not giving the investors a cut if its profitable.
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Sounds like you have great business models. So the players should not pay an entry, where should the prize money come from? Should they play just for fun?
 
cleary said:
Sounds like you have great business models. So the players should not pay an entry, where should the prize money come from? Should they play just for fun?
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Go see macguy's post, he answered that already.
 
Fatboy2 said:
this is old news, its been this way a long time. The players just didnt put the biz in the street(until the internet); Barry has awalys made good. let it go, its between the players and Barry. Unless your a player thats gonna cash high in the event its not any of your business. If the internet hadnt came along and outed the world on everything nobody but the people who are directly involved would even know. Or people close to it,

I knew about it for years but didnt say a word as it wasnt my business. It still aint my business, unless I somehow catch a monster gear and play a whole lot better than I do now, and should I ever get so lucky I'll deal with it then. Barry has done a ton for pool and made good on everything at the end of the day.


Best Eric :)
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narrow minded imo
 
this thread went from bad to stupid.

simply put. no do not boycott the US open. if you don't wanna pay to play, dont play. done.
 
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