What I would like to see

[kybill9]

As many of you know, the Vitter likes to gamble for very high stakes. He won't play someone like me for a couple of hundred or a thousand or two, but he will play for $200-300k.
Think of a pool tournament that paid $100k. How much money could someone like Vitter put into a tournament? Poker needs an outlet know to spread their gaming. No more Internet since the frigging congress people only care about their businesses getting them money.
There are a lot of poker players that have a pile of cash. Poker stars, those types of organizations are owned by poker players. Someone who knows these people could get them to start sponsoring tournaments and getting some health payouts going. Poker players think nothing of putting up $50k for a tournament.
As long as I have been around pool, there still is no large payouts for tournaments. The BIG tournament in Cal Billiards while it was a success, the payouts were still nothing. These guys who play at the top levels need to get paid for their top 1% talent in the world, just like a baseball player, golfer, etc. I am not saying 20million a year, but as the most talented in their sport, they get peanuts. Even the US Open one pocket in Las Vegas, nothing. Comparatively.
Anyway, that's what I have to say about it.:thumbup::yikes::thumbup2:

 

[spanky79]

As many of you know, the Vitter likes to gamble for very high stakes. He won't play someone like me for a couple of hundred or a thousand or two, but he will play for $200-300k.
Think of a pool tournament that paid $100k. How much money could someone like Vitter put into a tournament? Poker needs an outlet know to spread their gaming. No more Internet since the frigging congress people only care about their businesses getting them money.
There are a lot of poker players that have a pile of cash. Poker stars, those types of organizations are owned by poker players. Someone who knows these people could get them to start sponsoring tournaments and getting some health payouts going. Poker players think nothing of putting up $50k for a tournament.
As long as I have been around pool, there still is no large payouts for tournaments. The BIG tournament in Cal Billiards while it was a success, the payouts were still nothing. These guys who play at the top levels need to get paid for their top 1% talent in the world, just like a baseball player, golfer, etc. I am not saying 20million a year, but as the most talented in their sport, they get peanuts. Even the US Open one pocket in Las Vegas, nothing. Comparatively.
Anyway, that's what I have to say about it.:thumbup::yikes::thumbup2:

well first thing is its viffer not vitter. just thought you would want to know

 

[master_cueist]

and for another thing, the reason why there isnt huge money in pool is because you have to be able to SELL pool to make money on it. Thats why nobody puts up huge sums of money, it has to be an investment with a monetary gain at the end of it for an investor. I honestly think kevin tredoux (or however you spell it) had the right idea he just tried going WAY too big WAY too fast. You have to be able to sell matches, get them on tv, get sponsors to advertise to put some money in.

 

[Drew]

As many of you know, the Vitter likes to gamble for very high stakes. He won't play someone like me for a couple of hundred or a thousand or two, but he will play for $200-300k.
Think of a pool tournament that paid $100k. How much money could someone like Vitter put into a tournament? Poker needs an outlet know to spread their gaming. No more Internet since the frigging congress people only care about their businesses getting them money.
There are a lot of poker players that have a pile of cash. Poker stars, those types of organizations are owned by poker players. Someone who knows these people could get them to start sponsoring tournaments and getting some health payouts going. Poker players think nothing of putting up $50k for a tournament.
As long as I have been around pool, there still is no large payouts for tournaments. The BIG tournament in Cal Billiards while it was a success, the payouts were still nothing. These guys who play at the top levels need to get paid for their top 1% talent in the world, just like a baseball player, golfer, etc. I am not saying 20million a year, but as the most talented in their sport, they get peanuts. Even the US Open one pocket in Las Vegas, nothing. Comparatively.
Anyway, that's what I have to say about it.:thumbup::yikes::thumbup2:

Why stop there? Bill Gates doesn't think twice about losing a million dollars. Why can't Gates sponsor a pool tournament?

Pool players might get peanuts...but at least they get peanuts. You should see the tiddlywinks players. Those guys in the top 1% talent would be lucky to get even one peanut.

 

[UPlayLucky]

It would be nice to have a large pay-out but
why again would Viffer want to donate his money for a pool tournament?

 

[12ozCurl]

It would be nice to have a large pay-out but
why again would Viffer want to donate his money for a pool tournament?

Ol' dippy never did make good on that bet did he? I would never play in one of his tournies, simply because I would be afraid I wouldn't get paid.

 

[Black-Balled]

Why stop there? Bill Gates doesn't think twice about losing a million dollars. Why can't Gates sponsor a pool tournament?...

What make you think he can't? Of course he can...but why would he?

Folks that have big bucks don't give them out for nothing, and a $1m first place payout would have absolutely not benefit to anyoe other than the winners.

Why doesn't Billy Gaties sponsor a developmental ice skating club? A struggling musician's support fund? An inner city reading youth program?

Pool is important to us, not them.

 

[macguy]

These guys who play at the top levels need to get paid for their top 1% talent in the world, just like a baseball player, golfer, etc. I am not saying 20million a year, but as the most talented in their sport, they get peanuts. Even the US Open one pocket in Las Vegas, nothing. Comparatively.
Anyway, that's what I have to say about it.:thumbup::yikes::thumbup2:

Why, what is their value? It needs to be a symbiotic relationship. What does a pool player bring to the table that shows they have value and can make money for the other party? No one gets paid because they have talent, they get paid because they have value.

 

[ironman]

Ol' dippy never did make good on that bet did he? I would never play in one of his tournies, simply because I would be afraid I wouldn't get paid.

Very positive and a great selling point!

 

[ironman]

Why, what is their value? It needs to be a symbiotic relationship. What does a pool player bring to the table that shows they have value and can make money for the other party? No one gets paid because they have talent, they get paid because they have value.

pretty sad, but a bitter truth.

 

[Maniac]

Why, what is their value? It needs to be a symbiotic relationship. What does a pool player bring to the table that shows they have value and can make money for the other party? No one gets paid because they have talent, they get paid because they have value.

macguy got it right!!!

Maniac

 

[justnum]

I want to see gamblers invest into pool.

So if some gambler wants to back a tournament he can consider it a gamble and not an investment for a business to sell tickets. The idea I am getting at is to let bookies play odds at tournaments.

This way there is more action for a tournament. People like to gamble and why not sanction betting on players like they do on horses at the track.

So the challenge is how to determine odds of pool pros?

The other concepts I am working on are how to change pool tournaments so that primary income is not from ticket sales or entry fees, that is a limiting factor in how successful a tournament can be.

 

[JolietJames]

What they said...

^^^^^ There you have it. End of thread. ^^^^^
Maniac and Macguy are dead on.

 

[kybill9]

I believe to say that the top pool players have no value is saying that person has no respect for pool. The top pool players do have value. That's why the payouts in Asia are so huge. It's why the DCC has become such an important tournament. This idea that the top players have no value denigrates pool itself. Why play pool itself if it has no value? The APA has bigger payouts than most tournaments.
I only use the Viffer as an example of the money that is available. Does anyone thing that some amateur rookie poker player is worth $8 million dollars? My point is that pool used to be a bigger sport when Mosconi played than it is today. The World Wide Sports used to cover pool. Many tournaments were broadcast and you can see reruns of the games on ESPN.
Why isn't ESPN at the DCC? Promoters are not promoting.
If any of you that wrote say pool players have no value, why are you posting on a pool forum? :scratchhead::bash::barf::smash::banghead:

 

[Black-Balled]

I believe to say that the top pool players have no value is saying that person has no respect for pool. The top pool players do have value.

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If any of you that wrote say pool players have no value, why are you posting on a pool forum? :scratchhead::bash::barf::smash::banghead:

C'mon, Bill. You gotta remember that pool is the subject here, so of course we all think pool is a good idea.

Asia is not America, from marketing to pool life-cycle.

I am sure the Viffer would be quite surprised to hear his $ is the "money that is available".

And the rookie player worth $8m. Yup. Check the papers.

Everything in life is priced appropriately...well, mmaybe not services provided to government and diamonds.

YOu are in a fantasy world on this one. Why not lobby for big bucks to the struggling musician? Bike rider? Runner? Philosopher?

 

[rossaroni]

I believe to say that the top pool players have no value is saying that person has no respect for pool. The top pool players do have value. That's why the payouts in Asia are so huge. It's why the DCC has become such an important tournament. This idea that the top players have no value denigrates pool itself. Why play pool itself if it has no value? The APA has bigger payouts than most tournaments.
I only use the Viffer as an example of the money that is available. Does anyone thing that some amateur rookie poker player is worth $8 million dollars? My point is that pool used to be a bigger sport when Mosconi played than it is today. The World Wide Sports used to cover pool. Many tournaments were broadcast and you can see reruns of the games on ESPN.
Why isn't ESPN at the DCC? Promoters are not promoting.
If any of you that wrote say pool players have no value, why are you posting on a pool forum? :scratchhead::bash::barf::smash::banghead:

I think you are missing their point. Pool players may have value to us, but we are not the ones that would be sponsoring a tournament.

Also, if we had a pool tournament with 5,000 players and a $10,000 entry, we also could pay out $8mil for first. They don't just pull the money out of thin air.

And again, as someone mentioned before....just why would Viffer want to donate his money to pool players????

 

[kybill9]

MAC guy. All you have to do to contradict your own argument is look at your Avatar. What value did Apple have when it was $18 a share? Apple now is the richest corporation in the world by cash holding standards. The stock is over threes hundred dollars.
You want to believe the top players have no value so I can only assume you never attend any top tournaments, never follow what tournaments are being played. Who is winning, losing. I have a lot of respect for the talent I see at tournament having played myself for so many years. Competing in the gambling world. Going to tournaments, playing in them.
I believe the attitude that players have no value is wrong. It's pool that has no value in the United States because of the religious right. Pool has been vilified as a part of the evil demon. It's dirty. Criminal. Blah, blah.
You don't find that in Britian with snooker players. Europe has larger payouts. Asia has much larger payouts and that's why you find so many players going to Asia to play.
My family are all religious right. When I go to Louisville for the tournaments, they all want me to visit, but not one would ever go to watch me play. To them, it's pool. Always has been with them. When I was a teenager, I left home so I could play pool.
It's not the players that have no value. It is the values of America that have denigrated pool to be something dirty and wrong. It is not a bunch of smoke filled, criminal, thugs hanging out trying to rob innocent victims. Most pool rooms today are family gathering places and pool leagues.
I cannot believe that you actually believe that the top players have no value. As a Mac guy myself, I know what it takes to be a Mac user.:wink::wave3::wave2::rotflmao1::wave::happydance:

 

[kybill9]

I think you are missing their point. Pool players may have value to us, but we are not the ones that would be sponsoring a ld pay out
And again, as someone mentioned before....just why would Viffer want to donate his money to pool players????

I am not suggesting that as pool players we pay out. We do pay out by attending and paying to get in. I am only using Viffer as an example of someone who brings a lot of cash to the game and has created a lot of high dollar interest. He does know the people behind Poker Stars and the other groups that make a lot of money.
I am looking for ways to have better payouts, not to have personal arguments. I see poker as a way for that to happen. Was poker a big time, TV, attraction before they started televising the WSOP? Payouts were small.:grin::grin:

 

[Black-Balled]

Allow me to present another little sporting nugget:

I have a friend who is a race car driver, a real one.

He was signed by a race team to pilot its car, I forget the class, but its an ope-wheel type, 2-steps down from F-1. He had to bring $1.5m in sponsorship$ with him annually to drive.

Ya think that business model would work for pool?

 

[macguy]

Why, what is their value? It needs to be a symbiotic relationship. What does a pool player bring to the table that shows they have value and can make money for the other party? No one gets paid because they have talent, they get paid because they have value.

MAC guy. All you have to do to contradict your own argument is look at your Avatar. What value did Apple have when it was $18 a share? Apple now is the richest corporation in the world by cash holding standards. The stock is over threes hundred dollars.
You want to believe the top players have no value so I can only assume you never attend any top tournaments, never follow what tournaments are being played. Who is winning, losing. I have a lot of respect for the talent I see at tournament having played myself for so many years. Competing in the gambling world. Going to tournaments, playing in them.
I believe the attitude that players have no value is wrong. It's pool that has no value in the United States because of the religious right. Pool has been vilified as a part of the evil demon. It's dirty. Criminal. Blah, blah.
You don't find that in Britian with snooker players. Europe has larger payouts. Asia has much larger payouts and that's why you find so many players going to Asia to play.
My family are all religious right. When I go to Louisville for the tournaments, they all want me to visit, but not one would ever go to watch me play. To them, it's pool. Always has been with them. When I was a teenager, I left home so I could play pool.
It's not the players that have no value. It is the values of America that have denigrated pool to be something dirty and wrong. It is not a bunch of smoke filled, criminal, thugs hanging out trying to rob innocent victims. Most pool rooms today are family gathering places and pool leagues.
I cannot believe that you actually believe that the top players have no value. As a Mac guy myself, I know what it takes to be a Mac user.:wink::wave3::wave2::rotflmao1::wave::happydance:

You make a lot of assumptions without any real study or anything to base your opinions on other then wishes and hopes. For the sponsor pool is an investment, where is the value? It can be a cart before the horse thing "Build it and they will come" but you need something to make someone even feel there is a chance for success. By the way macguy is short for machine guy. You make leaps in thought without any evidence . All my computers are mac though. Also I have been posting on here for years and if you read any of my posts you know I was a pool room owner for years, a tournament player, and promoter. I have dumped thousand of dollars into pool as a promoter with not even a thought of return. I could afford it and put on invitational tournaments with no entry fees for my own entertainment. If I ended up even it was a success. I am not trying to negative just realistic. If you know something no one else knows that will work to bring more money into the sport I hope you will share it. Pool has to be a sport not a charity. I used to know a girl who was the top lady skeet shooter in the US her picture would be on the covers of gun magazines. I knew he from the restaurant where she was a waitress. Getting back to your original thoughts, there are a lot of people with talent that just does not make them money.