ABP boycotts Berhman's event

Irony

Neil said:
O.K., here's some-

1. What's up with the ABP saying they have exhausted all tries, and Barry saying you won't even respond to his attempts to get ahold of you to talk things out??

2. What's up with players on your list not even knowing about this until you announce a boycott??

3. What makes you think you have any clout to have a successful boycott??

4. What players say they have not been paid for previous U.S. Opens? Barry says they are all paid in full.

5. How do you feel that not going to an event will make you any money??

6. What's up with your new rules? What's the matter with the existing rules??

7. What's up with you wanting seeding in an open event? You want it fair? Then give the worst players seeding, and let them have a chance. But, you aren't concerned with it being fair, you only want the "edge" to go to your group. But, yet, you expect the rest of the players to support that?
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A fellow AZ poster wants answers about what has happened, what will happen and how credible the formal statement is.

The irony is, the ABP wants answers from Barry about his credibility to pay prize money.

In both cases I doubt either will be satisfied with the response they will get.
 
itsfroze said:
Sounds like Charlies driving from the back seat. Oh by the way did anybody else notice how when promoting his 14.1 tourney in N.J. he calls it the longest running tournament. Barrys is the longest running tournament in the world as far as pocket billiards goes. When you take a tournament that wasn't held for a number of years and someone else starts it up again and uses the same name as far as I'm concerned it's not the same tournament, and saying that is just a cheap shot toward the longest running tournament which is really Barrys US OPEN jmho
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Actually, the longest continuously running tournament is the All-Japan which has been held every year from 1967 to present (from 1967 to 1969 14.1 and from 1970 to present 9 ball). The US Open is probably the longest running tournament in the US, though.
 
I would still like to hear what players that were on the 43 player original boycott list that didn't agree to be on it. Is Corey Deuel one of them? Johnnyt
 
its glaringly obvious that pool players need people to represent them in public. they also need help wth decision making. im not sure if finiacially they can pull that off? in any case, they do NEED representation..... they just obviously arent capable of doing this stuff themeselves in any sort of viable way.
 
ABP Past Attempts to Work w/Barry Behrman - Today, 06:03 PM

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Contrary to what some people are saying, the first official ABP meeting with Barry Berman was in May 2010 in Las Vegas with Johnny Archer, Thorsten Hohmann and Stevie Moore.
Barry made absolute assurances that the money would be paid on time and no one would leave being owed anything. The players requested for the added money and entries to be put up ahead of time. Behrman said it would be too difficult. So the players decided to support him even without putting money in escrow or a 3rd party. Despite a full 256 player field, a top gate, and many sponsors, the players were still not paid in full including the champion Darren Appleton.
Still the ABP players supported him and gave him another chance at the Masters. Behrman advertised this event as $35,000 added and later reduced it to $30,000 the week before, and then reduced it again on the first day of the event. Each time without notifying the players or acknowledging that he once again broke his word.
The players were again paid late. Mika Immonen the champion is still owed $10,000 to this day, more than 3 months later.

During all this time there have several meetings, phone calls, emails with Barry. On one occassion when Barry was notified that if players were not going to be paid that there had to be consequences Behrman left a message on Archer's phone that cannot be repeated due to its vulgarity. In another attempt by Archer, Barry hung up the phone on him. Shawn Putnam volunteered to call him at another time and Behrman hung up on him too. In an email from Behrman sent to Archer, the email disgracefully insulted Archer with swear words.

To sum, ABP has been trying to work with Barry Behrman for 14 months on issues with the US Open and already gave him two more chances (not counting times even before 2010) at his 2010 US Open and 2011 Masters where he not only broke his promises, but also refused to listen or work with Archer and the ABP professionals.

This has not been a hasty decision, but one that has been long discussed and worked on for over a year.
 
ABPpros said:
ABP Past Attempts to Work w/Barry Behrman - Today, 06:03 PM

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Contrary to what some people are saying, the first official ABP meeting with Barry Berman was in May 2010 in Las Vegas with Johnny Archer, Thorsten Hohmann and Stevie Moore.
Barry made absolute assurances that the money would be paid on time and no one would leave being owed anything. The players requested for the added money and entries to be put up ahead of time. Behrman said it would be too difficult. So the players decided to support him even without putting money in escrow or a 3rd party. Despite a full 256 player field, a top gate, and many sponsors, the players were still not paid in full including the champion Darren Appleton.
Still the ABP players supported him and gave him another chance at the Masters. Behrman advertised this event as $35,000 added and later reduced it to $30,000 the week before, and then reduced it again on the first day of the event. Each time without notifying the players or acknowledging that he once again broke his word.
The players were again paid late. Mika Immonen the champion is still owed $10,000 to this day, more than 3 months later.

During all this time there have several meetings, phone calls, emails with Barry. On one occassion when Barry was notified that if players were not going to be paid that there had to be consequences Behrman left a message on Archer's phone that cannot be repeated due to its vulgarity. In another attempt by Archer, Barry hung up the phone on him. Shawn Putnam volunteered to call him at another time and Behrman hung up on him too. In an email from Behrman sent to Archer, the email disgracefully insulted Archer with swear words.

To sum, ABP has been trying to work with Barry Behrman for 14 months on issues with the US Open and already gave him two more chances (not counting times even before 2010) at his 2010 US Open and 2011 Masters where he not only broke his promises, but also refused to listen or work with Archer and the ABP professionals.

This has not been a hasty decision, but one that has been long discussed and worked on for over a year.
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Who's typing this, please?
 
JCIN said:
In a TAR match you have a very precise idea of risk vs reward. You know what you get if you win or lose. You can make all your calculations about that risk before hand because you know all of the factors involved. A tour is just another animal all together. Also do you think people would hand me $20K if they didnt trust me? Now find someone you trust with a million or so who also has the capability to successfully run a tour.

Then when you find that person they have to do something that no one has ever been able to do. Create a model for a profitable pool tour. Millionaires dont get to be millionaires by pissing away money on half baked ideas. If someone had a legit verifiable business plan that could stand up to scrutiny and still show a means to be profitable I think it would have a chance at getting funded. But so far no one has invented that yet.
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exactly show me a rock solid biz model for a tour where I'll make $$$ and I'd put a million into it, or ever 2. Nobody has ever showed me anything thats solid, or they want my $$$ to invest and make me a partner, LOL if I'm going to post a million I'm gonna own it and pay a few points to who ever runs it. I been around pool for 26 years and am a creative biz man. I cant figure it out, the problem is the audience sizes are to small to attract advertisers/sponsors with big enough budgets. Tell Budweiser that were gonna have 2500 people watching and see how much $$$ they will spend.

the fundamental problem with pool is nobody watches it. The larger the audience the larger the $$$.

Problem with pool is to many people chasing too few dollars, add that with a bad economy and it gets real hard.


perhaps the US Open has ran its course, nothing lasts forever. I dont know. I just hope it works out. It aint for lack of desire among the 5,000 pool fans in America, 5,000 out of 300,000,000 people? the numbers just dont work. That's the biggest problem. Players, promoters are looking at it all wrong-pool is dieing, things are broken. lack of participation is the issue.


but what do I know....
 
jason said:
I didn't know Johnny posted here before. None the less, Runout Radio will have the scoop for us tomorrow. :)
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Johnny used to be in the Ask the Pro section of this forum. I'm not sure if that section is used as much as it used to be. Maybe it is. I just have not visited it in a long while.
 
ABPpros said:
ABP Past Attempts to Work w/Barry Behrman - Today, 06:03 PM

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Contrary to what some people are saying, the first official ABP meeting with Barry Berman was in May 2010 in Las Vegas with Johnny Archer, Thorsten Hohmann and Stevie Moore.
Barry made absolute assurances that the money would be paid on time and no one would leave being owed anything. The players requested for the added money and entries to be put up ahead of time. Behrman said it would be too difficult. So the players decided to support him even without putting money in escrow or a 3rd party. Despite a full 256 player field, a top gate, and many sponsors, the players were still not paid in full including the champion Darren Appleton.
Still the ABP players supported him and gave him another chance at the Masters. Behrman advertised this event as $35,000 added and later reduced it to $30,000 the week before, and then reduced it again on the first day of the event. Each time without notifying the players or acknowledging that he once again broke his word.
The players were again paid late. Mika Immonen the champion is still owed $10,000 to this day, more than 3 months later.

During all this time there have several meetings, phone calls, emails with Barry. On one occassion when Barry was notified that if players were not going to be paid that there had to be consequences Behrman left a message on Archer's phone that cannot be repeated due to its vulgarity. In another attempt by Archer, Barry hung up the phone on him. Shawn Putnam volunteered to call him at another time and Behrman hung up on him too. In an email from Behrman sent to Archer, the email disgracefully insulted Archer with swear words.

To sum, ABP has been trying to work with Barry Behrman for 14 months on issues with the US Open and already gave him two more chances (not counting times even before 2010) at his 2010 US Open and 2011 Masters where he not only broke his promises, but also refused to listen or work with Archer and the ABP professionals.

This has not been a hasty decision, but one that has been long discussed and worked on for over a year.
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That's all very nice but I hope you guys start off tonight by publishing a list of players firmly committed to boycotting the Open if your organization's demands are not met.

There seems to be a bit of confusion over who is on board and a big boycott by name players would seem to be your big (spelled: only) bargaining chip.

If you can't publish a good list you're just pissing in the wind (and every one's ears :-)

Lou Figueroa
 
or they want my $$$ to invest and make me a partner
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Thats a good one Eric. Theres always someone around that is willing to take a risk, as long as they are using someone elses money. I can only imagine that you've heard every line and deal there ever was a million times over.

But then having money can also help you find out who your true friends are.
 
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book collector said:
Who are the 7 figure pool players please?
I never heard of this 7 figure stuff before, and I try to pay attention.
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Jeanette Lee! By the way BC you might try reading my post again. You seem to have misunderstood my intent in referring to pro athletes in other sports. Perhaps if you start reading all those books you collect, your comprehension skills will improve. :cool:
 
cleary said:
In my line of work, its the same way. Sometimes I have to wait 3-6 months to get paid. I've been working this current freelance gig now for 4 months and JUST got my first check (for my first two weeks). Proper money management saves me. I'm not gonna go nuts on them for money cause I would rather keep getting work and they can pay me when they pay me. I know I'll get paid.
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Join the club. I've done commentary on some pretty high profile events in the pool world and waited 1-3 months to get paid. Guess what, I'll do it again tomorrow given the opportunity. :thumbup:
 
JAM said:
Good luck finding that out. :D

"Pay no attention to that man who's behind the curtain." -- Wizard of Oz
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Multiple Choice...

A. Johnny
B. PocketPoint
C. SC5
D. Fatboy3
E. None of the Above :)
 
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