What A Great Format At the Seminole tour

Johnnyt

Johnnyt

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I don’t know how many on AZ bought the stream for the $25,000 added Seminole Tour but this new format of Corey’s is exiting to me. They have a laptop at every table for the players to update the scoring after each game, which in turn goes on to the leader board instantly. I really think the tribe and Corey are on to something here. You can go split screen and watch the stream match and watch the leader board change after each game at all the tables. The rules are on the Seminole web site. There are 20 players left to fight it out Sunday. Sometimes 1 game can move you 1 to 8 places up or down the board and a few minutes later move up or down again. Johnnyt

Round Robin Scoring System

Format:
Players will play 10 game matches per round.
The first round will be drawn randomly and all following round match-ups will be drawn based on ranking by total “points” or games won (#1 vs #2 )(#3 vs #4) etc.
Players shall earn one point for each game won and one bonus point for each brake-and-run.
All players will play a minimum of 4 rounds before the cut is made Saturday night. The top 20 players with the highest “points” or games won will move on to money matches on Sunday.
Sunday players will continue to accumulate “points” following the final round 4 players will move on to play race to 11 semifinal and final match.

Rules:
Players will play by normal Seminole 10 ball rules (see below).
A laptop will be at each table that will contain a time clock for each match. Each player will keep track of his /her own time via the laptop.
Each player will have 25 minutes to play 10 games. A Total of 50 min for each match will be allocated. This should be plenty of time. In the event a player runs out of time, that player will get a loss for all remaining games. The time clock will only be used if players have been playing too slow.
All matches will be taped and some live streamed. If a player or players have turned in a wrong score card and are deemed to be purposefully manipulating scores, the tournament director will disqualify players that are proven to be cheating through review of the match footage.

Benefits:
This format guarantees that all players will play a minimum of 4 rounds (40 racks). Players will be judged by every game played for entire event. We have a nice live scoring system so fans can keep up with the action. You are rewarded for good play and not penalized for not event getting a chance to shoot if someone breaks and runs against you
 
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Seminole Pro Tour Tournament Rules

1.) Winner racks the balls. If both players come to prior agreement, it is legal for players to rack for one another.

2.) The game begins when the cue ball passes the head string.
If no contact was made with any of the balls, the incoming player has two options:

To take the break, relieving their opponent from being on a foul.

To have their opponent break again but, this time the opponent will be on one foul.

3.) When racking the ten balls, a player must place the One ball in front of the rack.
The Two ball and the Three ball go on each end, at the bottom of the rack.
The Ten ball must go in the middle of the rack.
It is the player’s responsibility to watch how their opponent racks and breaks.
If the player allows their opponent to break, no foul can be called for mis-racking.

4.) When making the Ten ball on the break, it will not count as a win; it does count as a ball made on the break. The Ten ball spots up immediately and the breaker keeps shooting, unless the Ten Ball blocks or bothers them from shooting the next ball in rotation. Should the Ten Ball block or bother the breaker from shooting the next ball in rotation, it will stay down until the breaker shoots the next ball in rotation, then the breaker may spot the Ten ball. The breaker must place the cue ball with in the box. All breaks must take place within the box.



Foul, break and jump rules

The Break (Intent to Disperse) – A player charged with the responsibility of breaking the balls in a standard game of 10-ball, must, in addition to driving at least six object balls to a rail (cue ball does not count), demonstrate intent to disperse balls over the length and breadth of the table; in other words, a player is expected to drive the cue ball into the rack with as much force as his/her skills allow.

If, in the opinion of the opposing player, the breaking player has not broken the rack with the intent of table-wide dispersion, the opposing player may call to stop play and request a judgment by a Tournament Director and/or Tournament Referee. Prior to the arrival of a Tournament Director and/or Tournament Referee to determine whether the breaking player has complied with this rule, no further play should be allowed. Further play by either player will negate the request for judgment of a “foul” and play will resume, as normal. The called-upon Tournament Director/Tournament Referee will examine the dispersion of balls on the table at the time of the “foul” and if in his/her opinion, the balls have not been broken with the intent of table-wide dispersion, the Tournament Director/Tournament Referee will verify the “Foul” and require the breaking player to break again.

The Tournament Director/Tournament Referee will remain at the table until a second break is initiated. If, in the opinion of the Tournament Director/Tournament Referee, the breaking player has again not complied with the “intent to disperse” rule, the Tournament Director/Tournament Referee will award the match to the opposing player. The breaking player will take the individual match as a standard “forfeit” loss and continue play in the tournament. If the same player is cited for the same infraction in a subsequent match, said player will forfeit their right to continue play in the tournament.

5.) FOULS- When a player shoots, no ball can be moved during the shot or it is a foul. If a player moves or touches a ball before they shoot, they must give the other player the option of leaving the ball in its new location or move the ball back to where it was. If the player moves any ball back before they give their opponent the option, it will be considered a foul. Any ball that jumps off the table is ruled to be a foul. Should a player move two or more balls on one rack, the game will be ruled a loss. Should a player’s shirt touch a ball when shooting, without moving the ball, it will not be deemed a foul.

6.) JUMP SHOTS- Players are allowed to use a jump cue to jump over any ball.
The jump cue must be a least 40” inches in length.
Each player is allowed two jumps per match with the 40” inch jump cue.
A player may jump as many times as they wish with their playing or break cue.

7.) FROZEN Q Ball- When a Q-Ball is frozen to an object ball the shooter must do the following:

Draw the Q-Ball away from the object ball. (Q-Ball must not pass the object ball)

The shooter must jack up at a 45 degree angle and shoot towards either edge of the object ball.

8.) For any additional rules the Tournament Director/Tournament Referee may refer to WPA, BCA or Texas Express rules. Tournament Director/Tournament Referee may use his or her discretion on all gray areas and will have the final say on all rulings.

Dress code strictly enforced: Men: NO jeans, must wear collared shirts, NO sneakers (dress shoes only). Women: Professional casual attire, NO sneakers, jeans, tank-tops or low cut shirts. All shirts must be tucked in during play.

* Rules are subject to change at certain tournaments. If there is a change in the rules, players will be notified at the players meeting prior to each event. Such rule changes could include “call shot, call safety.”


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Johnnyt
 
I would be interested to see if there are any racking issues with that rule.

Seminole Tour is first class all the way. We're lucky to have them in our pool world for sure.

Check out all of the social media buttons on their website. They understand how to get the message out there about Seminole Pro Tour. Bravo to the organizers of this tour for understanding how beneficial social media networking can be.

Website: Seminole Pool Tour
 

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I would be interested to see if there are any racking issues with that rule.

Seminole Tour is first class all the way. We're lucky to have them in our pool world for sure.

Check out all of the social media buttons on their website. They understand how to get the message out there about Seminole Pro Tour. Bravo to the organizers of this tour for understanding how beneficial social media networking can be.

Website: Seminole Pool Tour
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I've watched the 1st 2 days and have seen no isuses with the racking your own. 10-doesn't count anywhere on the break and I believe 6 balls must hit a rail.
 
Johnnyt said:
I've watched the 1st 2 days and have seen no isuses with the racking your own. 10-doesn't count anywhere on the break and I believe 6 balls must hit a rail.
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Six balls? WOW! That's incredible. Thanks for sharing that little pool tidbit. :smile:
 
There are a lot of ABP members playing so they turned over a new leaf and are going to play nice:eek: Johnnyt
 
Johnnyt said:
There are a lot of ABP members playing so they turned over a new leaf and are going to play nice:eek: Johnnyt
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On the Seminoles Pro Tour website, they had a link-up to this league, which I had not heard of before: Universal Pool League.

Man, there sure are a lot of alphabet soup acronyms in pool these days. Looks like a lot of ABP players are on the UPL website, too! :p
 

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I'm a little surprised on their ruling how to handle shooting when froze to the object ball. I thought it was a standard rule that when froze, you can shoot through the balls with a smooth stroke.
 
Rule 5 is the one that seems tough to me!

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I'm a little surprised on their ruling how to handle shooting when froze to the object ball. I thought it was a standard rule that when froze, you can shoot through the balls with a smooth stroke.
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"5.) FOULS- When a player shoots, no ball can be moved during the shot or it is a foul. If a player moves or touches a ball before they shoot, they must give the other player the option of leaving the ball in its new location or move the ball back to where it was. If the player moves any ball back before they give their opponent the option, it will be considered a foul. Any ball that jumps off the table is ruled to be a foul. Should a player move two or more balls on one rack, the game will be ruled a loss. Should a player’s shirt touch a ball when shooting, without moving the ball, it will not be deemed a foul."

Kinda takes the fun out of pool if you can't move a ball when you shoot.

Hu
 
Sunday

I am confused about what happen on Sunday. The statement could be read two ways, pls clarifie, "The top 20 players with the highest “points” or games won will move on to money matches on Sunday.
Sunday players will continue to accumulate “points” following the final round 4 players will move on to play race to 11 semifinal and final match. or The top 20 players with the highest “points” or games won will move on to money matches on Sunday.
Sunday players will continue to accumulate “points” following the final round 4 players will move on to play race to 11 semifinal and final match." :confused:
 
EZMoney said:
I am confused about what happen on Sunday. The statement could be read two ways, pls clarifie, "The top 20 players with the highest “points” or games won will move on to money matches on Sunday.
Sunday players will continue to accumulate “points” following the final round 4 players will move on to play race to 11 semifinal and final match. or The top 20 players with the highest “points” or games won will move on to money matches on Sunday.
Sunday players will continue to accumulate “points” following the final round 4 players will move on to play race to 11 semifinal and final match." :confused:
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At the end of matches today #1 plays #2 and #3 plays #4 for semi finals. Winners of those play each other for 1st and 2nd.
 
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Johnnyt said:
At the end of matches today #1 plays #2 and #3 plays #4 for semi finals. Winners of those play each other for 1st and 2nd.
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So this means that the person with the first or second highest ranking will be knocked down to third or fourth place while the person with the third or fourth place ranking will finish first or second? Somehow seems to be a fly in the ointment.

Hu
 
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So this means that the person with the first or second highest ranking will be knocked down to third or fourth place while the person with the third or fourth place ranking will finish first or second? Somehow seems to be a fly in the ointment.

Hu
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Yep...standard seeding is #1 plays#4....#2 plays#3.
Somebody needs to take a course in game theory
 
I liked the format. The leaderboard aspect with a cut line has a golf feel to it. I like how a break and run gets an extra point - kind of like a birdie.
Maybe they could add extra points for consecutive break and runs. Seems that would open up the offensive game a bit.
 
At first, I was kind of on the fence about the format, because it's new to me and I didn't really get it... now that I understand how it works I'm really loving it!
It also reminds me of golf tournaments, where they post their best scores and wait to see what everyone else does.. The format also seems like players are rewarded well for good play, and who doesn't like to see B&Rs in 10-ball?
Traditional live scoring is pretty boring, but watching the Leaderboard on the website and people making moves is great!
The stream is good, just wish that there was a package for all 3 days at a slight discount versus all 3 separately?

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