Asian Pool players

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How long until they absolutely dominate Pro Pool? It seems we are on cusp of it? It's You can go to Star Billiards on Joy Street in Manila and be whacked to the floor by someone no one has ever heard of. Taiwan has "academies" that school children from an early age. Ala Chinese gymnast. The Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, Indonesians, etc... It's an "emerging" market.
I live in the PI, see it on TV ALL the time. A real force to be reckoned with.
 
i know there are more than 3000 pool halls in Shanghai and more and more young people are training pool in order to get fame and money! Some of them even drop from school. What a shame!
 
Is there a Filipino or Chinese pool forum that is as big as the American-made AzBilliards Discussion Forum? Just curious! :thumbup:
 
Just curious, how many alternate accounts are allowed in this forum? Can I start a thread with my alternate account and respond with my original account like poster #4 above is doing? Thanks.
 
Just curious, how many alternate accounts are allowed in this forum? Can I start a thread with my alternate account and respond with my original account like poster #4 above is doing? Thanks.

Sure can! Welcome to the forum. :smile:
 
They show 9-ball and snooker on TV every night in asia. Whereas I feel like ESPN used to broadcast it as 3AM if they couldn't fill that time slot with an infomercial. When the movie The Color of Money came out, tons of people became interested in pool and started to fill the pool halls. Perhaps this is what is needed to get people interested in pool again.
 
Is there a Filipino or Chinese pool forum that is as big as the American-made AzBilliards Discussion Forum? Just curious! :thumbup:

Yup, there's quite a few Forums in China that's very active. And they sell stuff on it as well much like AZ does. But its not as well managed as AZ nor does it have functions that the AZ forum has.
China is definitely coming up with more and more skilled players and the reason's simple...money! The prize money is too good when you convert it to the domestic currency..that's like few years worth of income for a few days work. Obviously it's the training bit that takes alot of time..
 
Yup, there's quite a few Forums in China that's very active. And they sell stuff on it as well much like AZ does. But its not as well managed as AZ nor does it have functions that the AZ forum has.
China is definitely coming up with more and more skilled players and the reason's simple...money! The prize money is too good when you convert it to the domestic currency..that's like few years worth of income for a few days work. Obviously it's the training bit that takes alot of time..

That is very interesting, and thanks so much for that reply. *THIS* is what makes AzBilliards forum enjoyable for me. I do like to learn how pool is around the world in other pool cultures. Thanks again for the post. Wow! That's some cool pool happening and right there in China! :smile:
 
They show 9-ball and snooker on TV every night in asia. Whereas I feel like ESPN used to broadcast it as 3AM if they couldn't fill that time slot with an infomercial. When the movie The Color of Money came out, tons of people became interested in pool and started to fill the pool halls. Perhaps this is what is needed to get people interested in pool again.

It is self evident that this film and the earlier 'The Hustler' increased the popularity of pool just about everywhere. Both films were focused on playing pool for money yet there are people in these forums who incessantly claim that "gambling" is bad for pool and is "ruining" it.

Go figure.
 
How long until they absolutely dominate Pro Pool? It seems we are on cusp of it? It's You can go to Star Billiards on Joy Street in Manila and be whacked to the floor by someone no one has ever heard of. Taiwan has "academies" that school children from an early age. Ala Chinese gymnast. The Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, Indonesians, etc... It's an "emerging" market.
I live in the PI, see it on TV ALL the time. A real force to be reckoned with.

Are there pool halls in Olongapo? What are their names and where are they located in Olongapo?
 
That is very interesting, and thanks so much for that reply. *THIS* is what makes AzBilliards forum enjoyable for me. I do like to learn how pool is around the world in other pool cultures. Thanks again for the post. Wow! That's some cool pool happening and right there in China! :smile:

Well pool is very divided even within China. There's "real" pool which is what we all know of and there is what the Chinese call the "Black 8". It's basically a game of 8 ball but played on a shrunken snooker table that's as big as a 9ft pool table. So that means it uses the same cloth as snooker tables, it uses smaller balls, pockets are much tighter than regular pool...it's just a small size snooker table. This table is not available in every city, but in some (like where I'm based) it's widely popular. You can walk into a pool hall and if there's 5 regular 9ft pool table then you're likely to see 15 of these small snooker table.
It's pretty interesting this table, you need to be much more accurate. What's even more interesting about this table is that very often you'll see a pool player up against a snooker player. Pool cue vs snooker cue...

Gambling is also a huge culture here as well, infact I have seen many players so darn good that they should be on the national squad, but by traveling around china hustling they can make 5-10times what those players on the squad get. A guy from my pool hall was invited to another city to play some guy for a 5grand match, his expenses all paid for and all he has to do is play and he takes a cut. Note that 5grand may not sound alot but in china average wage is 250... Btw he plays with a southwest, and his day job is coaching in the pool hall...which I'm sure doesn't pay him more than 350 a month. But everyday he accepts challenges from $10-$1000...some out of his own, some are pooled resources. This scenario is not isolated at all...it happens through china...

I met this other guy 1month back, he was from out of town and is here just to play. He's about 165cm tall(short guy), plays with a weird stance, forms a weird unprofessional/unstable bridge with his hand, when he aims his cue points all over the ball, he shoots with two legs closed side by side...
But that one day that I met him he won 2.5grand. This guy is one hell of a sharp shooter, he makes the toughest shots! He looks like a harmless thing and everybody thinks they can hustle him when they see him "practice"... Then I learnt that this guys use to play pro many yrs back, didn't cut it then got into gambling pool. In order to hustle he changed all his habits...to look like a terrible player..
Again this I'm sure is not an isolated case...
Pool and snooker is a very big thing in China now, it's not big as a Bar sport but big as a leisure activity,.
 
i don't know. The state of the game of pool seems to differ between cultures. Here, pool is generally considered a pastime. In other words, it's a dying sport with relatively little interest outside of leisure. Obviously the sports enjoys a different level of popularity (and prestige?) than is the case in the U.S. One thing I can say about Asian culture in general which could be a hint is that they tend to place a higher premium on developing right-brain hemisphere skills/development.
 
It is self evident that this film and the earlier 'The Hustler' increased the popularity of pool just about everywhere. Both films were focused on playing pool for money yet there are people in these forums who incessantly claim that "gambling" is bad for pool and is "ruining" it.

Go figure.

in my opinion the color of money and the hustler are positive and bad for pool. Talking about the bad.... those movies reinforce the stereotype pool player = hustler, in fact when you say to a friend you play pool, you receive the tipical " Are you an hustler"? Also for a non pool player when you watch the hustler you think pool halls are full of scumbags, everyone is drunk, smoke all over the place, gambling and generally not so good people. Do you want to let your son play in a pool halls full of smoke and where there are disputable people?
 
They use regular aramith balls in "Black 8". The pocket size is identical to the snooker tables but the ball is regular, not smaller. That makes it harder to pocket the balls.
 
My thinking is the Asian players are the best in the world. Pool offers Anyone/Anywhere in the world a chance to crawl out of their domestic hole in even the most destitute countries. Pool is very similar to music, take your instrument and make a life. It's not often we get to see them venture away from thier immediate area and because of that allot may think they are not ask good as the pinoys, in reality I've heard quite the opposite.
 
jive...I don't know if this is the case in China or not...but here in the USA that guy would sooner or later run into someone who would "kick his ass", and I don't mean on the pool table. Pretending to play poorly to get someone to bet, and then playing good to win (the essential definition of a hustler), is imo, one of the reasons why Americans at large think poolplayers are hustlers by nature. I'm not against gambling...just hustling...because I don't think it does anything to help promote the sport in a postive light. I gambled for a living for a few years and never once hustled anybody...and I made money at it. I know I'll get flamed from some of the gamblers, but when it's all over, this is just my opinion.

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I met this other guy 1month back, he was from out of town and is here just to play. He's about 165cm tall(short guy), plays with a weird stance, forms a weird unprofessional/unstable bridge with his hand, when he aims his cue points all over the ball, he shoots with two legs closed side by side...
But that one day that I met him he won 2.5grand. This guy is one hell of a sharp shooter, he makes the toughest shots! He looks like a harmless thing and everybody thinks they can hustle him when they see him "practice"... Then I learnt that this guys use to play pro many yrs back, didn't cut it then got into gambling pool. In order to hustle he changed all his habits...to look like a terrible player..QUOTE]
 
jive...I don't know if this is the case in China or not...but here in the USA that guy would sooner or later run into someone who would "kick his ass", and I don't mean on the pool table. Pretending to play poorly to get someone to bet, and then playing good to win (the essential definition of a hustler), is imo, one of the reasons why Americans at large think poolplayers are hustlers by nature. I'm not against gambling...just hustling...because I don't think it does anything to help promote the sport in a postive light. I gambled for a living for a few years and never once hustled anybody...and I made money at it. I know I'll get flamed from some of the gamblers, but when it's all over, this is just my opinion.

Mark Wilson comes to mind as a good player that quit gambling yrs ago, it took me yrs to understand why, but it makes allot of sense now.
 
no doubt he's a hustler but in some ways guys who wants to play him for money seeing how "badly" he cues probably had it coming as well.
as for getting his ass kicked that i wouldn't know, i mean if he's playing someone terrible and that he can manipulate the game i'm sure he'll throw some balls away and let the game be level, say a race to 7 he'll probably win by 7-5? If he's playing someone of level standard then i think there shouldn't any any complaining . At the end of the day in terms of hustling there's probably the smart ones and the ones that's gonna be beat up, i reckon he's the smart one.

i'm not for his actions or against them, i'm not much of a gambler myself. but i do like that pool is a growing sport/past time here in china. I wish the same is happening in Singapore (where i'm from), but there's just too many restrictions - General interest, expensive rentals, selling alchohol...

Most pool halls here hire nice ladies to practice with you for a couple of bucks an hour on top of the rental fee, it's just their way of touting in a mild manner. So for most guys even if you don't hire their services, they make nice eye candies..not that it's a good thing since pool is all about concentration but it makes the mood lighter and in china this is by no means dodgy or even stereotyped as dodgy since they have shadier stuff...this practice actually came from PUBs/Clubs here, inorder to attract more male patrons they get nice ladies to sit around to drink with you to make u spend more, so i'd say it's evolving in the right direction ;)

Please don't take what i say here as a generalisation of pool/snooker halls in China cos this is really not the case. China's too big and too diverse, so it's not the same everywhere. What i'm driving at is pool is a growing sport/past time in china and it is a very good thing for the sport on a global scale. Why do i say that? Well more equipments will be sold thats for sure, and the chinese throws big bills on cues and it's only just growing so in many ways this will support the U.S cue makers. As a note to cue makers, you also don't have to worry about copycats or mass production of your cue when you send them to China, the chinese don't fancy luxury or high end products being made in china as well, unless the quality is really good (read: JB Case and COACH brand bags). So even if someone's gonna copy that Gina or Black Boar cue and produce it in china for $100, the real buyers are still gonna look up the real deal. To them it's the prestige. You only have to see LVs, Gucci, Prada...how these items fly off the rack. Anybody who lives in Italy or Paris can vouch that all these high end retail stores have chinese flooding the place.

On top of that with the growing interest in China, more related sports brands will grow. See how STAR Brand has grown over the years in Snooker? With these guys making money more new brands are coming up, which means more sponsorship deals and more big prized tournaments. It's a win win for the sport.

I might have digressed from the main subject of this thread with what i wrote, point is if there's money to be made in this sport then more people will come into this sport and don't mind turning pro. Good Money means good players will practice harder and be better. It's no argument, i remember reading a post here lately about how Pros are always Poor or something along that line..it's a good point to support what i'm driving at.








jive...I don't know if this is the case in China or not...but here in the USA that guy would sooner or later run into someone who would "kick his ass", and I don't mean on the pool table. Pretending to play poorly to get someone to bet, and then playing good to win (the essential definition of a hustler), is imo, one of the reasons why Americans at large think poolplayers are hustlers by nature. I'm not against gambling...just hustling...because I don't think it does anything to help promote the sport in a postive light. I gambled for a living for a few years and never once hustled anybody...and I made money at it. I know I'll get flamed from some of the gamblers, but when it's all over, this is just my opinion.

Mark Wilson comes to mind as a good player that quit gambling yrs ago, it took me yrs to understand why, but it makes allot of sense now.
 
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