When any of the Pros get out of position, and have to come with a little something extra, they never shoot hard at all, when they have to go several rails, they either use more spin, or the tables are very fast. Which is it? Honestly, I have never seen any one of them shoot anything anywhere close to a little hard.
Spin or no spin
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They use spin. The people who tell you not to use spin are just trying to get beginners not to use excessive spin. A pro will use just enough so that he can get desired position while keeping the shot pottable.
Also, the tables at big tournaments are really fast. so that also helps.
Also, the tables at big tournaments are really fast. so that also helps.
I recently had an older gentleman tell me that most of the great players use the same stroke and same speed but just adjust and use more english when they get out of line
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Nice observation. When U shoot heavy left hand "spin" the cue ball initially squirts to the right, then the spin takes over, depending on how much mustard U put on the ball? U have to mentally compensate for all the variables, high/low/middle, left/right...speed. At times U can shoot a bank "harder" make it straighten out, or go 2 rails, do all sorts of magician like stuff.
The most important ball on the table is the White one.
My opinion is that if U haven't figured out how to use subtle/sometimes heavy spin to position the white ball???? Then U R behind the 8 ball so to speak?
Well, I wouldn't say 'evil', but I would say most average poolplayers use too much of it, and don't understand that top and bottom curve the CB...not sidespin...because they never learned to shoot on the vertical axis.
Scott Lee
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Scott Lee
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Is it because they are unaware of the vertical axis? And what prevents average players like myself from understanding the v-axis?
Scott, just to clarify, you are talking about after contact with the ob, and not from the tip to the ob, correct? ( I do know the answer, but it might be a little confusing for some.)
Cough it up
It is the hardest thing to do when playing pool,is to spin the qball and still pocketing the object ball,iam no teacher,but i think if i was to teach a first time pool player that would be the last thing that i would teach them,just because it is so diffulcult to exucute the spin shot,they would probably get frustraited and quite after missing the shot so many times,the spin shot is for advanced pool players,it is a pretty thing to see when the spin shot is hit just rite!
C.Milian...Nothing prevents anyone from understanding the vertical axis. Set up a 30 degree cut shot. Shoot it into a pocket, aiming at dead center, 12:00, or 6:00 on the CB. Note where the CB goes. Shoot the same shots and add sidespin. With the same speed stroke the CB should go virtually the same place. It will just respond differently off of the cushion, due to the sidespin.
Scott Lee
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Neil is right. The contact patch between tip and CB is very small...about 1/8" or 3mm. Look at the red circle on a red circle CB...that's the size of the contact, which represents a "tip of english" This stays constant regardless of strokespeed or tip placement. It's VERY easy to miss by this much, especially since the spot you're "aiming" at is invisible.
Scott Lee
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Scott Lee
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Absolutely!
Scott Lee
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Scott Lee
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Scott, just to clarify, you are talking about after contact with the ob, and not from the tip to the ob, correct? ( I do know the answer, but it might be a little confusing for some.
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Originally Posted by Neil
Scott, just to clarify, you are talking about after contact with the ob, and not from the tip to the ob, correct? ( I do know the answer, but it might be a little confusing for some.)
Its after o/b contact with top & low vertical center but it will curve before o/b contact with top or low using side spin. It will curve after with side spin if top or low is used.
Not to change the subject but I hit some great sliders today playing one hole. The c/b slid in there table length and put on the brakes using inside or outside. They were dead nuts perfect. My opponent just shook his head. LOL OK enough BS carry on.
Rod
Originally Posted by Neil
Scott, just to clarify, you are talking about after contact with the ob, and not from the tip to the ob, correct? ( I do know the answer, but it might be a little confusing for some.)
Its after o/b contact with top & low vertical center but it will curve before o/b contact with top or low using side spin. It will curve after with side spin if top or low is used.
Not to change the subject but I hit some great sliders today playing one hole. The c/b slid in there table length and put on the brakes using inside or outside. They were dead nuts perfect. My opponent just shook his head. LOL OK enough BS carry on.
Rod
Excellent answer. I ran a rack of 8-ball against Mosconi in 1965, and thought I was cool as the crowd applauded. Willy shook his head. "It's great that you ran that rack kid, but you spun the ball on every shot and only needed to once. You'll never be a player until you learn how NOT to learn English." Of course, he didn't mean NEVER to use spin, he meant to use it only when necessary, and never use more than you need.
This is IDIOTIC. To shoot the same shot with inside english, you will not hit the object ball in the same place as the cue ball spin will THROW the object into the pocket. On this shot, in order to make the ball, you have to hit the object ball thinner, and the cue ball will thus come off the object ball at a lesser angle.
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