Why is there seperate men and women touranments?

Xiao-Fang Fu and Sha Sha Liu play money matches with the first and second tier Pinoys right now. They give the men all they can handle and sometimes win the sets of 10-ball.

Si Meng Chin, Allision Fisher, Karen Corr, Ga Young Kim, and about a dozen other pro women are capable right now of placing in the top 12 of any open event. All they need to do is enter more of them. Johnnyt
 
book collector said:
Jean played great, I watched her play several times and she beat a lot of shortstops and some top players at times. Allison played great.
I'm not saying they can't play good.
They just can't beat the top men.
It's a whole other level of play.
This girl looks to have a good break, I haven't watched her play much , so I can't make a judgement on her speed.
If you ask the men players from 30 to 100 why they are not higher, I think most would say their break was not good enough.
I can think of 50 guys who would have been able to beat any woman giving them at least the 8 Ball. Some the 7 or more.
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Guess you have to leave SVB off that list. He lost to Yu Ram Cha in a tourney within the last couple of years. In a given set, almost anything can happen.
 
Offerriing up Jasmin/ Alison/ GYK/ Jean as examples isn't really an accurate gauge of playing acumen...thems is as good as it gets.

Don't think for a second that any one of them wants to play a 15 ahead or set to 100 against Hatch/ SVB/ Daz/ Mika. The air is real thin up top.

Jude spit smart: there are women only events because the market demands it. Would the market 'demand' men's onlyevents? Some would say yes, the law would say otherwise.;)
 
Black-Balled said:
Offerriing up Jasmin/ Alison/ GYK/ Jean as examples isn't really an accurate gauge of playing acumen...thems is as good as it gets.

Don't think for a second that any one of them wants to play a 15 ahead or set to 100 against Hatch/ SVB/ Daz/ Mika. The air is real thin up top.

Jude spit smart: there are women only events because the market demands it. Would the market 'demand' men's onlyevents? Some would say yes, the law would say otherwise.;)
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Crap, did I forget Archer, Orcullo, Luat, Ralf, Neils, Alex P., Alcano...was there any more?;)
 
Another question to stir in the mix.

Why can't men play in the WPBA? I'm sure a lot of the men would jump at the shot to play in more and more tournamnets, with good prize money...

Pete
 
Competitiveness

On average, I'd say men are also the more competitive of the sexes. Women tend to be harmonizers and nurturers while men are busy beating each others brains in for one reason or another - football, hardball, boxing, extreme fighting, bar fights, etc.

Not that some women don't fall into the highly competitive category, but I think a less percentage do. But, I will say this, if the Williams sisters started playing pool at 8 instead of tennis and worked just as hard at pool as they have at tennis, they'd be just as good as any of the top men players.

Ron F
 
Pete said:
Another question to stir in the mix.

Why can't men play in the WPBA? I'm sure a lot of the men would jump at the shot to play in more and more tournamnets, with good prize money...

Pete
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Becqause 'discriminating' is ok when it results in additional opportunity.
 
Slh said:
only because the women are much less than the men. Is easier to find a champion beetween ( example ) 100 people or 10 people?
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Ding! Ding! Winner! IMO, the main reason is that not as many women play as men. I'm sure that there are also soc-economic, cultural, gender, etc that may play a small part but it's a numbers game.

If pool paid serious money, such as golf or tennis, then you would see more people play the game. The quality of of the play would rise higher than it is now, men or women.
 
Ron F said:
On average, I'd say men are also the more competitive of the sexes. Women tend to be harmonizers and nurturers while men are busy beating each others brains in for one reason or another - football, hardball, boxing, extreme fighting, bar fights, etc.

Not that some women don't fall into the highly competitive category, but I think a less percentage do. But, I will say this, if the Williams sisters started playing pool at 8 instead of tennis and worked just as hard at pool as they have at tennis, they'd be just as good as any of the top men players.

Ron F
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how can you compare the skill required in pool with the skill required in tennis?
I think you talk about "hard work", do you think to became a top pool player you need only dedication and hard work? In pool the natural talent plays a big factor too.
 
I ain't scared - Men are better athletes than women!

That's pretty much all there is to it. I know there's been a lot of people that have been pushing the gender neutrality nonsense but the fact remains - we are different sexes. Nothing is ever going to change this.

I think a lot of people get confused by the apparent simplicity of the pool stroke and they think why can't women do this as good as men? I've wondered it myself from time to time. I think there is much more than simple mechanics at play.

Did you know that male golfers are better putters than their female counterparts? Why is that?

Having said that - I still enjoy watching the top women play and they have improved dramatically in the past 15 years or so I think. Let's just celebrate their achievements and leave them alone. I don't think it serves them well to have them constantly compared to the men.

Let me have it :)
 
BasementDweller said:
I ain't scared - Men are better athletes than women!

Let me have it :)
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Fine, you can have it. But I agree, prob has lots to do with the fact that we have been providing for so long.

And anyway, I would be interested in knowing why the OP is lamenting the lack of tourney availability and inferring that the lack of options is somehow worse for her than for the males in her area?

Either she (?he/it?) plays well enough to feel OK with joining the open event or is bummed at low participation #s of the women's only events.
 
BasementDweller said:
I ain't scared - Men are better athletes than women!

That's pretty much all there is to it. I know there's been a lot of people that have been pushing the gender neutrality nonsense but the fact remains - we are different sexes. Nothing is ever going to change this.

I think a lot of people get confused by the apparent simplicity of the pool stroke and they think why can't women do this as good as men? I've wondered it myself from time to time. I think there is much more than simple mechanics at play.

Did you know that male golfers are better putters than their female counterparts? Why is that?

Having said that - I still enjoy watching the top women play and they have improved dramatically in the past 15 years or so I think. Let's just celebrate their achievements and leave them alone. I don't think it serves them well to have them constantly compared to the men.

Let me have it :)
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I'll let you have it. You're right. I think it probably says a lot about society today that you have to kinda cringe when you tell the truth. When it really comes down to it though, I think most people would agree with you, there are inherent differences between men and women that preclude the women, for the most part, from being competitive with men at top levels.
 
Black-Balled said:
Offerriing up Jasmin/ Alison/ GYK/ Jean as examples isn't really an accurate gauge of playing acumen...thems is as good as it gets.

Don't think for a second that any one of them wants to play a 15 ahead or set to 100 against Hatch/ SVB/ Daz/ Mika. The air is real thin up top.

Jude spit smart: there are women only events because the market demands it. Would the market 'demand' men's onlyevents? Some would say yes, the law would say otherwise.;)
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The OP is talking tournaments here not gambling.
 
Ron F said:
But, I will say this, if the Williams sisters started playing pool at 8 instead of tennis and worked just as hard at pool as they have at tennis, they'd be just as good as any of the top men players.

Ron F
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That's a tennis game I'd like to see, the Williams sisters against Federer and Nadal or the Bryan Brothers since they are a top men's doubles team.
 
DoubleD said:
It exists because we live in the real world, not the sparkly, candy-coated one in your mind.

There are women's only events because in the real, touchy-feely world we need to give everybody the chance to feel good about herself.

The only fact is that top women have never competed against the top men and won. Not misogynistic, simply true.

There are reasons for this and one is that the men who hung out in pool/snooker/billiard halls all had one thing in common: They were ostensibly 'in power', so they decided that it was improper for their women to be in these establishments. They didn't feel that it was 'no place for a woman', but it went over way better at home to say that than it did to say 'I need to be the eff away from you several nights a week'.

So, traditionally pool was a male dominated sport, which means that more boys play than girls. It is a proven fact that developing minds pick up skills in a different way than developed minds--as an example, kids who learn two languages will think in both, adults will always translate.

Good, bad or indifferent, this is still the case and hasn't completely changed. Because of this, I contend that the most naturally talented woman has never played enough pool to excel at it. There is basically a smaller percentage of women who play somewhat seriously than of men, reducing the chances of developing the best players.

dld
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I often have non-pool players ask me this question, regarding why there are separate tournaments for men and women... and this answer is typically what I respond with.

In a bygone era, there was a social stigma against women playing pool and being in pool halls... and furthermore, it's just not a game that is generally taught to many young girls. Thus, we have ended up with a major divide between the talent seen in top men vs top women players.

Others have also mentioned the psychological factor, which I believe is real in many cases. Mental tenacity is crucial to success in pool, and I think this trait is something that is preternatural in most men, whereas it may be more of a learned skill for many women. Personally, I think this is the biggest downfall in my own game, particularly when playing against men.

However, as mentioned, the gap has been narrowing, and the top women are now becoming more of a threat. I will never forget the day I watched Yu Ram Cha beat Shane Van Boening in Vegas at the Predator International 10-Ball after being down 4-1 and 8-4 in a race to 9! In 10-ball!
 

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...I will never forget the day I watched Yu Ram Cha beat Shane Van Boening in Vegas at the Predator International 10-Ball after being down 4-1 and 8-4 in a race to 9! In 10-ball!
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Well somebody better tell her that she is about to hit the red ball instead of the white one!
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The truth is, this is a terribly complex issue that few of us are qualified to answer thoroughly (especially including me). Can pool produce a female champion? Yes. I believe it can, although unlikely. Will it mean that women are as good as men at pool? No. I cannot see that ever happening.

Even though this may seem like a contradiction, this clearly makes sense to me. I believe "the individual" is capable of doing almost anything. Assuming the individual is of average intelligence, average physical ability and has no obvious ailments that would prevent them from playing pool, the world is their oyster if they're willing to put in the work.

Why is it there appears to be a difference between men and women at pool? Well, there are fewer women playing pool. In fact, it's a lot less. On the whole, they don't like pool like men do. They don't play fantasy football or poker either and there's nothing physical stopping them from doing it.

You can't tell me women have less heart for pool. Women are actually proven to handle stress better than men. You can't tell me they're not strong enough. Many of the top men rarely break harder than 20mph which is well within the range of most women.

There's nothing more to it than the simple truth they don't want to be in the poolroom like men do. If there's one thing men are good at, we're good at spending countless hours at the poolroom. Hell, sometimes we even run off to the poolroom when we shouldn't and you can ask our wives, girlfriends and children about that. Many marriages and families have been ruined because we stayed "for one more set".

So yeah, we're better at pool.
 
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