Poll: Should Jump Shots Be Banned?

Poll: Should Jump Shots Be Banned?

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IMHO if anyone don't like a rule it should be changed, if anyone don't like ball color they should be changed, if anyone don't like an AZB Member the should be banned, if anyone don't like the Moderator they should be banned.

Pretty soon we will have nothing to talk about because everyone, and every subject will be banned.
 
JB Cases said:
And if he has the Jump-O-Matic 3000 he will simply dial in the height/trajectory with the built in laser range finder and jump over your obstacle with surgical precision. Then after returning to the table with his LD9000VXD-Terminator Agrregator Collector's Edition Limited cue he will miss the 2ft straight in shot he has.

We used to play around with jumping 2 liter coke bottles. I got tired of that nonsense when I realized that such activity really was sending the wrong message about jump cues. The obsession with how HIGH the cue ball can be made to jump is really detrimental to the message of showing how much control can be achieved.

Some day I will make a video of controlled jump shots so people can see the artistry and mastery involved.
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Wella...I'm not going to stop you. There are actually jumpshots that dose not woodpecker your drums like "thud" jumpshots. They are.....well...one of then is "Jumping the stack". It's not even an advanced shot but you can hear it. No hurdles needed for it either. The others are extreme semi mase. Anything else is just a horrendous bone shattering noise of a shot. (It's just my opinion).....Peep.
 
CocoboloCowboy said:
IMHO if anyone don't like a rule it should be changed, if anyone don't like ball color they should be changed, if anyone don't like an AZB Member the should be banned, if anyone don't like the Moderator they should be banned.

Pretty soon we will have nothing to talk about because everyone, and every subject will be banned.
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Isn't that a little on the drastic side? Wouldn't you think?
 
JB Cases said:
In a normal shot you have to decide on the amount of speed and spin you are going to strike the cue ball with. On a jump shot you have to decide on the amount of speed and spin you are going to strike the cue ball with AND you have to figure out the angle you are going to use and the trajectory. So there are two more variables on top of what is already present with every shot. For a kick shot you have to decide on what speed and spin you will use and where to hit the first rail. How you decide on where to hit the first rail depends on your knowledge and experience. If you know a good kicking system then where to hit the first rail is fairly easy to determine. What happens after that has to do with your knowledge of the table/cloth/conditions.
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I know this: I have seen some of the top players who are considered very skillful with jump shots (Shane Van Boehning and Earl Strickland, for example) send the cueball 7 feet off the table when attempting a jump shot. I've never seen anyone do that with a 1, 2, or 3 rail kick or a masse'.

That's because kicks and masse's are pool and jump shots are circus tricks.
 
C.Milian said:
Isn't that a little on the drastic side? Wouldn't you think?
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risky biz said:
I know this: I have seen some of the top players who are considered very skillful with jump shots (Shane Van Boehning and Earl Strickland, for example) send the cueball 7 feet off the table when attempting a jump shot. I've never seen anyone do that with a 1, 2, or 3 rail kick or a masse'.

That's because kicks and masse's are pool and jump shots are circus tricks.
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Then that shows you how hard it is when even the best in the world can not control it every time.

You obviously have no idea of how hard circus performers work to perfect their "tricks". As a former professional high diver who worked with circus people I do know what kind of effort and skill it takes to be a circus performer.
 
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I know this: I have seen some of the top players who are considered very skillful with jump shots (Shane Van Boehning and Earl Strickland, for example) send the cueball 7 feet off the table when attempting a jump shot. I've never seen anyone do that with a 1, 2, or 3 rail kick or a masse'.

That's because kicks and masse's are pool and jump shots are circus tricks.

JB Cases said:
Then that shows you how hard it is when even the best in the world can not control it every time.
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No, it just shows that it's a sloppy circus trick.

And, for those saying "play a better safety"- someone obviously did play a better safety if the opponent goes running for his circus cue. If the opponent is allowed to wiggle out of a safety with a circus trick what's the point in anyone developing their safety skill, their kicking skill, or their masse skill? Jump cues lower the skill level of the whole game.
 
JB Cases said:
You obviously have no idea of how hard circus performers work to perfect their "tricks". As a former professional high diver who worked with circus people I do know what kind of effort and skill it takes to be a circus performer.
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Let's not go off on a "missing the point" tangent.
 
risky biz said:
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No, it just shows that it's a sloppy circus trick.

And, for those saying "play a better safety"- someone obviously did play a better safety if the opponent goes running for his circus cue. If the opponent is allowed to wiggle out of a safety with a circus trick what's the point in anyone developing their safety skill, their kicking skill, or their masse skill? Jump cues lower the skill level of the whole game.
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Lol. Wiggle out?

First the jumping balls is a skill. With or without a jump cue it is a skill. So having a jump go cannot possibly lower the skill in the game. The game exists and is static for anyone to learn all the skills they need to play it. No one is forcing you to use a jump cue, no one is forcing you to learn to kick.

But if I have a jump and I am good with it then you should know how to play tighter safeties to defend against it. Same as if you know I am a very good kicker you should know to play safeties the block the kicking lanes.

So actually the jump cue not only adds to skill needed to master the possible jump shots but it also adds to the skills needed to play better safeties. Thus the only way to say it bluntly, you are wrong and if you want to bet I will be happy to prove you wrong on video.

We can compare skills and see which of us has more skills. I am betting that I have all the same kicking skill you do, that I have the same or more skills in playing safe and that I have more skills in jumping.
 
twal said:
Well I love the jump shot. :grin:

It is a skill that most idiots think they can perform in 5 minutes.
Good luck with that.

Exactly! There is soooooooo much more to know then just jumping over the ball...!!!
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twal said:
Well I love the jump shot. :grin:

It is a skill that most idiots think they can perform in 5 minutes.
Good luck with that.

Exactly! There is soooooooo much more to know then just jumping over the ball...!!! I would have done a horrible job on my DVD if I only showed the player how to jump over a ball...you must have all of the knowledge of the shot...and part of that knowledge is to know when you shouldn't jump.

Great Call twal!
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I think the OP should have refined his poll a little better in the question. Yes, I support the skilled shot of jumping the cue ball, or causing the object balls to jump in order to make a legal shot as a skilled shot. But, I don't support the use of a separate cue to make such shot other than the players game cue. Which still levels the playing field for everyone and keeps it fair across the board. Not all jump shots can be made with a full length cue, therefore kicks, masse's...and hide the puck still need to be considered when shooting out of a bad spot for the cue ball, instead of reaching straight for a jump cue.

Glen
 
realkingcobra said:
I think the OP should have refined his poll a little better in the question. Yes, I support the skilled shot of jumping the cue ball, or causing the object balls to jump in order to make a legal shot as a skilled shot. But, I don't support the use of a separate cue to make such shot other than the players game cue. Which still levels the playing field for everyone and keeps it fair across the board. Not all jump shots can be made with a full length cue, therefore kicks, masse's...and hide the puck still need to be considered when shooting out of a bad spot for the cue ball, instead of reaching straight for a jump cue.

Glen
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What is a jump cue? With my Tim Scruggs sneaky I look like a champion show jumper but with my Predator P2 I don't look like I can jump a puddle.

So if there is a cue out there that really doses level the field such as a jump cue which works equally well for everyone then what is wrong with that? In another thread you said tables should be perfect so that the playing field is equal. Well the jump cue should also be perfect so that the only difference between the players is skill.
 
JB Cases said:
What is a jump cue? With my Tim Scruggs sneaky I look like a champion show jumper but with my Predator P2 I don't look like I can jump a puddle.

So if there is a cue out there that really doses level the field such as a jump cue which works equally well for everyone then what is wrong with that? In another thread you said tables should be perfect so that the playing field is equal. Well the jump cue should also be perfect so that the only difference between the players is skill.
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I don't think I have to explain the difference between a jump cue, and a playing cue to you....do I, unless you just want to be arguementive about "what" is a jump cue;)
 
Jimbojim said:
I agree with that. That's why I wouldn't mind if a specific pool halls banned them. I believe scoop jump shots should be banned from pool halls though because that's a lot worse for the cloth.
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A "scoop" shot is illegal already.
 
realkingcobra said:
I don't think I have to explain the difference between a jump cue, and a playing cue to you....do I, unless you just want to be arguementive about "what" is a jump cue;)
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Of course not. I know more about them than anyone here. I have studied this subject as much as you have studied tables. When it comes to this I have as much or more experience than you do with tables.

I have owned practically every jump cue made, practically every cue ball made, and extensively tested out what full cues are better for jumping and which ones are not. I tested this against different cue balls, on different cloth, with dozens of different tips.

I figured I did not really need to explain the point to you in detail. Do I need to?
 
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