Taking Care of NEW Cloth.

CocoboloCowboy said:
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Coco, I think you are confused on the reason the reverend is asking you that question. He is probably the very best mechanic in AZ and is asking to make sure someone very capable is doing those tables for you. I seriously doubt he is asking because he wants to play there! LOL! You are in the mechanic thread you know.
 
goldcrown4 said:
Here's a link to a relatively new cleaning product by Simonis:
http://www.simoniscloth.com/product/simonisx1_P1005

I'm curious if there are any forum readers/mechanics that have used this, and what they think of it, and typical retail price for it.
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The Simonis X-1 was just recently awarded a patent. I just received one two days ago after ordering it at the end of the week. Apparently Simonis ships 95% of orders in the same day, I was a little surprised to see it arrive so fast. I am taking the X-1 out for a test run on Friday and will report back.

Side note: It comes with some greats packaging and looks like a long lasting product.
 
laserbrn said:
I was curious why so many recommended a "light vacuuming". Is their any evidence to support that a "heavy vacuuming" would be damaging to the cloth? I use a 5hp shop vac and it has been getting my table nice and clean. Unless I play for 8 hours and don't stop to clean the table, my hands stay nice and clean and so does the table.

When I am finished vacuuming I vacuum out my brush to ensure I'm not putting dust and crud BACK on the table and then give it a light brush from head to foot and that's about it.

No rotating head on the shop vac to cause undue friction wear and I can't see how a strong vacuum would cause any problems. I started out using my $200 handheld Dyson vacuum and it was doing okay, but the shop vac is the business.
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Only that too much suction will pull on the cloth more. I would think that can only loosen it. According to Simonis, less is more.
 
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The X1 has been out roughly a year now and there's been several reviews and discussion on the forum. Do a search for "Simonis X1" (use the parentheses)
 
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TannerPruess said:
The Simonis X-1 was just recently awarded a patent. I just received one two days ago after ordering it at the end of the week. Apparently Simonis ships 95% of orders in the same day, I was a little surprised to see it arrive so fast. I am taking the X-1 out for a test run on Friday and will report back.

Side note: It comes with some greats packaging and looks like a long lasting product.
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Note that the patent isn't for functionality, the awarded patent claims "CLAIM The ornamental design of a chalk dust tool, as shown."

Basically, they patented the look of the X1. That said, I ordered one as well to go with my new 860.
 
laserbrn said:
I was curious why so many recommended a "light vacuuming". Is their any evidence to support that a "heavy vacuuming" would be damaging to the cloth? I use a 5hp shop vac and it has been getting my table nice and clean. Unless I play for 8 hours and don't stop to clean the table, my hands stay nice and clean and so does the table.

When I am finished vacuuming I vacuum out my brush to ensure I'm not putting dust and crud BACK on the table and then give it a light brush from head to foot and that's about it.

No rotating head on the shop vac to cause undue friction wear and I can't see how a strong vacuum would cause any problems. I started out using my $200 handheld Dyson vacuum and it was doing okay, but the shop vac is the business.
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No amout of suction is ever going to hurt or destroy any cloth on a pool table, you have my word on that, as long as the right brush attachment is used. The main reason mechanic's don't like to recommend vacuuming the cloth, is because if plaster is used to seam the slates, the suction will pick up little pieces of plaster and spread them all over under the cloth which causes lumps and bumps everywhere...so, DON'T let anyone put plaster on your slate seams and it'll never be a problem;)
 
The only thing I use is the Simonis X-1. No brushing, no damp rag, and no vacuuming. If the price is too steep, then try just using a dry fiber cloth. You'll be amazed how well a job it does in less than a minute.
 
realkingcobra said:
No amout of suction is ever going to hurt or destroy any cloth on a pool table, you have my word on that, as long as the right brush attachment is used. The main reason mechanic's don't like to recommend vacuuming the cloth, is because if plaster is used to seam the slates, the suction will pick up little pieces of plaster and spread them all over under the cloth which causes lumps and bumps everywhere...so, DON'T let anyone put plaster on your slate seams and it'll never be a problem;)
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Thanks. I doubt SDBilliards would do that to me. Vacuum seems to work fantastically and unless your closing off the suction and pulling upward on the cloth like an idiot I can't see any harm that can be done either. I think that has to be the least harmful way to clean my table and has been most effective.

I was looking at the X-1, but 90 dollars for swiffer seems a bit steep. I've always gone the chalkboard eraser route in the past and I feel they just ripped that off and are charging way too much for this product. If it was $29.99 they'd sell the shit out of 'em.
 
laserbrn said:
Thanks. I doubt SDBilliards would do that to me. Vacuum seems to work fantastically and unless your closing off the suction and pulling upward on the cloth like an idiot I can't see any harm that can be done either. I think that has to be the least harmful way to clean my table and has been most effective.

I was looking at the X-1, but 90 dollars for swiffer seems a bit steep. I've always gone the chalkboard eraser route in the past and I feel they just ripped that off and are charging way too much for this product. If it was $29.99 they'd sell the shit out of 'em.
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What I've always used is a combination of standard pool table brush, and finisghing with the brush attachment for the battery powered hand-held Dust Buster. Not too much suction, super easy to use... very effective.

I had NO idea those X-1's were so expensive. You are absolutely right... Simonis wouldn't be able to make them fast enough if they brought the price down to 30 bucks... $90 is way out of line.
 
Mr. Bond said:
hold up....

there's a private billiard club with 29 tables?
where is this?

i was under the impression that the illinois billiard club was the only private billiard club in the country
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No, actually there are quite a few retirement centers that feature "private" billiards clubs on the grounds of the retirement centers. I'd have to put Arizona at the top of the list of "private" clubs as having probably the most in any one state...seems like every retirement center down there has a private club in one fashion or another, and actually quite a few of them are loaded with Diamond tables as well:cool:
 
ahhh i see. thats interestink.

i guess i have something to look forward to when i hit the retirement scene...

i'll be sunny acres house champion from 2030 to 2035
 
goldcrown4 said:
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I had NO idea those X-1's were so expensive. You are absolutely right... Simonis wouldn't be able to make them fast enough if they brought the price down to 30 bucks... $90 is way out of line.
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What isn't?
But let's not talk about K chalk.
 
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