Question for any pool instructor

sorry i dident make this thread so yall can argue whos better what works an don.t work who.s right an who.s wrong i just asked for yalls opinion thats all see yall tomorrow thanks for the Replies have a nice nite
 
I don't think Perfect Aim is all about "getting your eyes in the right spot to see the shot." There's more to it than that.

Perfect Aim is about placing your eyes at the outermost/innermost limit while still being able to address the CB. Essentially, forcing your head/eyes into a dominant/strong position to or away from the pocket, taking 1/2 of the errors out of the equation right out of the gate.

In fact, from this "dominant/strong position" you can slide into the center of the CB and just make the OB. Forget the contact point....that's a red herring.

I've always been a student of the game, learning as much as I could from anyone I could. Gene's information is unique and I've never heard anyone present eye positioning in the same light. "Eye placement to see the shot" isn't complete in regards to his information.

I'm pretty confident when Hal used to say to "poke your head out to see the outermost edge," his head position is the same as what Gene figured out.

Sweating contact points is bad information, I think... but that's just me.

I wish everyone would get along.

Hey, hey, take it easy wit da contact points.
Contact points not for you, no prob, bad info though?
 
Robleyf7

On all my Standard shots I like to focus on my aim point. That's about 95% of my shots.

On my Extra Care shots I focus on either the cue ball or a point on the rail. That's the other 5%.

Nice post
randyg
 
Ummm, no...actually I shot VERY well looking at the CB last, and did it for almost 10 yrs, including gambling that way. Nobody is really "dissing" you. It's great that you are helping people to play better. I personally do get tired of the "I'm the only one that knows this" BS. We've been teaching the same thing as you for years (and you have already admitted that in a 'phone lesson' with another SPF instructor.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Pete Horn (RIP) looked at the CB last. I hear he played pretty sporty.
 
Robleyf7

On all my Standard shots I like to focus on my aim point. That's about 95% of my shots.

On my Extra Care shots I focus on either the cue ball or a point on the rail. That's the other 5%.

Nice post
randyg

Hey Randy, can you elaborate on what you consider your 5% shots that you take the extra care on? As in rail shots and maybe long distance thin cuts or...? Thanks
 
Robleyf7

On all my Standard shots I like to focus on my aim point. That's about 95% of my shots.

On my Extra Care shots I focus on either the cue ball or a point on the rail. That's the other 5%.

Nice post
randyg

I agree with Randy here. If you focus according to whether the shot is Standard or Extra Care and then couple that with the aiming information Geno can provide, it'll be the best you could hope for.

As for elaborations on what "Standard" and "Extra Care" shots are; I'm sure Randy covers that thoroughly in his lessons. Professional instructors can't be giving everything away for free. :smile:

Roger
 
Ha --- I need to make controversial comments to get you off the golf course and back on AZ ;) We miss ya!

You got me!
Ya know, when I hit a draw shot, in golf, I hit the #1 contact on the inside part of the ball and a fade is pretty much a zero ;)
 
You got me!
Ya know, when I hit a draw shot, in golf, I hit the #1 contact on the inside part of the ball and a fade is pretty much a zero ;)

Well, if you're at 3 on either side you're in the drink, the spinach or the trees.
 
Hey Randy, can you elaborate on what you consider your 5% shots that you take the extra care on? As in rail shots and maybe long distance thin cuts or...? Thanks

Sure Matt.

No, long distance cuts are in my standard pattern.

How about these for an Extra Care starter:
JUMP
KICK
BANK
MASSE
BREAK
CLOSE QUARTERS

randyg
 
Joe I understand what you're saying here but I'd like to comment for clarification. There are 2 aim points that we need to concentrate on. The CB and OB or for some Overlap or Ghost.

My PEP is CB while fiddling & practice strokes then while paused @ the CB go to the OB and concentrate on that then draw back and fire.

From a Non-Pro Anything learned from a Pro Instructor.
Thanks Scott its still in the top 3 improvements.
 
The one thing on AZBilliards you don't want to ask is anything about pocketing balls. If you go by all the differnt threads you get many, many, many ways to do it. IMO AZ is the worse place for someone new to the game or someone having problems aiming/pocketing balls to ask advice. There are many good people on here that believe their way is the only way or easiest to teach. It confuses people. Johnnyt
 
The one thing on AZBilliards you don't want to ask is anything about pocketing balls. If you go by all the differnt threads you get many, many, many ways to do it. IMO AZ is the worse place for someone new to the game or someone having problems aiming/pocketing balls to ask advice. There are many good people on here that believe their way is the only way or easiest to teach. It confuses people. Johnnyt

i understand what you saying an i am not havin trouble aiming/pocketing balls just wanted too see what they thought about it lol
 
Here is a rough drawing I did about the CB and OB contact point. As you can see, the lesser the angle, the easier it is to use the OB contact point and CB contact point.

But, no matter what the angle is, there is only one point on the table that will put the OB in the pocket.
 
Last edited:
First I am not a pool instructor, but I have studied the mind for 30 years. You consciously may think you are focused on a, b, or c but in reality you unconscious mind is focused on all three. You steer the cue or change your stroke because your conscious mind is fighting what your subconscious has calculated as the correct shot. Conflict! Remember you see with your mind not your eyes
 
First I am not a pool instructor, but I have studied the mind for 30 years. You consciously may think you are focused on a, b, or c but in reality you unconscious mind is focused on all three. You steer the cue or change your stroke because your conscious mind is fighting what your subconscious has calculated as the correct shot. Conflict! Remember you see with your mind not your eyes

I think this is pretty dead on... We visualize the complete shot and then we execute it... For most shots there is no ghostball or contact point only the first frame of the movie that just played out inside of our minds...

I also think that some shots never seem to match up when we are down on them... In these instances you have to pick something... That something will vary by shot and will have to be learned... Once learned the images will begin to match up.....

On cut shots I am unfamiliar with that do not want to match up I usually use spot on the table or a pivot system similar to CTE.... For straighter shots that won't match up I use overlap and contact point... Rail shots get a parallel method....

Myriad of systems in response to a myriad of shots... In the zone when everything is matching up I need no system I just match reality with the sequence playing out inside of my imagination..
 
Excellent post........

First I am not a pool instructor, but I have studied the mind for 30 years. You consciously may think you are focused on a, b, or c but in reality you unconscious mind is focused on all three. You steer the cue or change your stroke because your conscious mind is fighting what your subconscious has calculated as the correct shot. Conflict! Remember you see with your mind not your eyes

This says it all. Great insight on what's going on.

The eyes do have to be in the right position to overcome all the optical illusions that these little round balls create. They are the windows to the mind.

Some players do this better than others naturally. But everyone can be taught how to get their eyes in the perfect position on every shot. If your missing shots that seem to look good or they just look off from the start you need to learn how to put these eyes in the most correct position possible.

Once your mind has the proper picture the results can be unlimited.

With the windows in the right place and the mind getting the best picture possible you can now practice coordinating the body to do the task at hand.

They should call it eye, hand and mind coordination.

Great post and insight.
 
Last edited:
Back
Top