Very, very well.
I would be curious to know what TheThaiger's and Wity's highest breaks might be. I'm certain they are both British but am not sure either is qualified to have a useful opinion about the game.
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Billiards bridge vs Snooker bridge?
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Very, very well.
I would be curious to know what TheThaiger's and Wity's highest breaks might be. I'm certain they are both British but am not sure either is qualified to have a useful opinion about the game.
The same here -- the fact that the closed bridge is more secure, allows me to really lay into it. Accuracy is not a problem -- my favorite shot to practice on a 6x12 table are long, diagonal blues, shot from the "D".
-Sean <-- who, yes, plays snooker with <gasp!> a closed bridge, and whose high break is 139
TheThaiger
Banned
I hadn't played snooker for about 20 years, until the other day, when I made an 80 break at my first visit, ironically with a Carom cue I'd just picked up on ebay for next to nothing, and was testing out. So that's my highest break at snooker, a game I played too little to do any damage.
Frankly, I don't feel the need to get into a pissing contest with anyone.
What I thought funny was the question...How do you generate power
with a closed bridge?
Joe Davis, who I think any snooker player would recognize, recommended
a 'closed bridge for power screw"....'screw' being the British term for draw.
in my opinion, a closed bridge 'frees' your cuing action....I use it whenever
I gotta 'let out shaft'
TheThaiger
Banned
Never seen a snooker pro use a closed bridge. Why is that?
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Just curious - why do 3C enthusiasts 'consider snooker to be a joke'?
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That would be because they don't feel it is sufficiently demanding, ie
requires enough skill, to be taken seriously as a cuesport.
Their opinion, not mine.
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There are many reasons why pro Snooker players perform to such a high
standard. There "odd" style is not one of them.
FWIW - if you really think the likes of Efren Reyes, Raymond Ceulemans,
Torbjörn Blomdahl, and Willie Mosconi, couldn't have excelled at Snooker,
you are sadly lacking in both information and perspective.
Dale
TheThaiger
Banned
A closed bridge may be recommended for a deep screw because you are trying to keep the cue in line when giving it some welly. A closed bridge can give you power AND accuracy, but an open bridge gives more power, but at the expense of accuracy, potentially.
I still think you can push the cue through quicker with an open bridge, although perhaps less accurately.
TheThaiger
Banned
If it is not your opinion, why are you saying it?
I'm sure Reyes et al would have made fine snooker players, IF they had snooker fundamentals.
There are quite a few pool players who prefer an open bridge also.
FYI, advantages and disadvantages of open vs. closed bridges are summarized, demonstrated (with online videos), and discussed here:
Regards,
Dave
What's almost surreal about this thread, is it started as an honest question about the pros/cons of an open bridge and a closed bridge. Then, somehow, it devolved into a p*ssing contest over fundamentals.
I apologize to the OP if my "stupid is as stupid does" retaliatory humor jabs towards one particular troublemaker snooker-snob started this chain reaction pile-on. I truly am sorry.
-Sean
I apologize to the OP if my "stupid is as stupid does" retaliatory humor jabs towards one particular troublemaker snooker-snob started this chain reaction pile-on. I truly am sorry.
-Sean
I don't think it was even so much about the pros and cons of each, just why the open bridge is used mostly in snooker and the close bridge much more in pool. Again, I think the open bridge in snooker evolved largely due to the conical taper of the typical snooker cue.
But hey Sean, things have a way of devolving around here. :grin:
I've tried it and I over-hit every shot. My biggest reason for using the open bridge with snooker is that the balls are very light and while incredible amounts of cue power can be required for some shots, the closed bridge is just too clumsy for it. With pool, I prefer the closed, although I can use either.
Yep, pretty much why I backed out of that right away, even agreeing with someone can be taken the wrong way.
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i spoke with a top 3c pro, who also plays pool (not professionally, but more recreationally), about the differences between carom and pool. incidentally, this person is a not just a "pro" at 3c, but a world class elite pro to give you an idea of his level. anyways, he told me that he is merely a B player at pool and summarized the games like this "carom is a game of knowledge and pool/snooker/etc. is a game of accuracy". he said he feels in carom there is a bit more room for error when you hit shots and it's more about the knowledge of what to do than the accuracy of executing the shot. in pocket billiards, what to do is more obvious and the precision execution of the shot is the key. he said that the pro pool players have great, accurate strokes and aiming that would give them nice fundamentals for 3c, but that they'd have to play for 15 years to accumulate the knowledge of what to do with it to be competitive in 3c.
just thought that was an interesting insight from a 3c pro....
just thought that was an interesting insight from a 3c pro....
Ghosst:
Oh please. Spare me the "I'm just taking the high road" back-pedaling, followed by the gratuitous marriage jab. DogsPlayingPool and you are talking about separate things.
Let's get this straight, once and for all. I posted an "in the same vein" humourous jab at a particular trouble-making snooker-snob's jab at pool (someone who is notorious for his demeaning and condescending views), to get a point across of how utterly dumb his point was. (I'm of the school that if you're going to debate, at least offer intelligent banter.) I mean, really, "only drunks and young children use a closed bridge, because it makes sense that the cue won't slip out and cause damage?" So I responded with the burger-flipper analogy to show him how utterly dumb his "contribution" was. Like I said, a "stupid is as stupid does" approach, holding a mirror up to that poster so he can see how silly that was. If you look at the copy of this thread in the Snooker forum, you'll see he got the message loud and clear, too; resorting to vulgar slang name-calling for my pulling the drain plug out of his "contribution." But my mirror-holding did its job (in the Snooker forum's copy, anyway), in that it ended the mud-slinging silliness before it took hold.
Then you come in with that pic of Thorsten using an open bridge (which wasn't called for -- it's not like I'm even putting up an open-vs-closed bridge debate in the first place), mimicking the nature of my post with "yep, wannabe's [sic] like Thorsten." Tell me you weren't trying to take the side of that particular snooker-snob, and re-energize the mud-slinging?
While taking the high road is always a good thing, taking it at another known high-roader's expense -- when your ulterior motive is plainly obvious, and then back-pedaling -- is just plain low.
-Sean
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Although not a "well-known" snooker pro, Alex Pagulayan primarily used a closed bridge during his win of the 2011 Canadian Snooker Championships, which included a 147.
But yes, you are correct in that most snooker pros use an open bridge. Humbly, I think that has more to do with the conical taper of the snooker cue shaft, and the smaller balls (re: the "perception" of the uninterrupted sightline thing therewith), than it has to do with accuracy.
-Sean
sorry Sean but Alex didn't made the 147 during the canadian championship, I believe he did it during a pratice session. His high break was near 120/130.
Also I watched all the snooker championship and I don't remember Alex using a closed bridge.
Slh:
Thank you for the correction! I caught bits and pieces of the stream here and there (in amongst breaks at work), and I did see Alex using a closed bridge. Admittedly, I might've caught the stream at those few points in time.
Anyway, the purpose of this thread was to discuss the reasons why there was a difference in the popularity in hand bridges between the different cue sports, and it unfortunately devolved into a p*ssing contest in certain places.
I'm hoping the thread gets back on track.
-Sean
Given you mentioned a tense past with the other poster I'm quite sure you think everything is an attack, even when it's not. The answer, again, is "no". I will however be wary to never again enter any discussion with such an angry soul.
I had a question in mind for the bridge, but I'd rather not know now.
Ghosst:
All one has to do is look at the posting history from that "other poster," and you'll know what I'm talking about related to the pomp and condescension. Spend some time on the Snooker forum, and you'll see.
I am not an angry soul. If you take a look at my posting history -- or ask around -- you'll see that. Do certain things get me angry (like taking my efforts and twisting them into something else)? Sure, as evidenced here in this thread. It's easy to accuse others of being an angry soul when you're the recipient of the twisting correction. Now, did I personally learn something from all this? Yep, a couple things, and I'll move forward with that information. I don't hold anything against you.
-Sean