I Am in Shock Right Now...

Seriously, there is only ONE person that has a right to say anything about his antics, and that is his opponent.

Respectfully, Neil, this match is a product that has been sold, and its purchasers have every right to speak as they please.

I spent money for this TAR product, and as I find this kind of behavior objectionable, it is not only my right but my obligation to point out that I find this aspect of the product disturbing. Earl's behavior detracted from my viewing experience, and I know that the event promoter wants to know about it. Mark Griffin, in his Session 2 commentary, made it clear he found Earl's conduct very objectionable, and that he'd talk to Earl about his conduct upon completion of Session 2.

The weekly TAR podcasts with JCIN and Mark Griffin, in which the views of AZB posters are often cited, have ushered in an era in pool in which there is increased interaction between pool promoters like JCIN and Mark Griffin and those that purchase the events they produce.

Pros that, through their behavior, demonstrate that their only obligations are to other pros continue to bury this sport in America and turn off those who would purchase the pro pool product. Disenfranchisement of and disrespect for those who purhcase the pool product may be in vogue right now, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.

Pro players need to either behave professionally or stop asking why they don't attract the sponsorship of image-conscious companies.
 
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I suppose people are posting their displeasure (which I have done in the past), which does have an effect...people stop paying to watch him play (which I did with this stream).
I absolutely agree. i rarely miss a streamed pool match but refuse to watch Earl and his BS. Takes the joy out of the sport.

Earl plays, I don't pay. Not much but keeps me satisfied.
 
You guys are a bunch of wet noodles. Cry babies.

You guys act as if Shane expected Earl to show up to this match with Jack Nicklaus-like etiquette. Shane KNOWS he's gonna meltdown and it doesn't bug him one iota. He's a pro.

Like him or hate him, who else is jumping in line to play Shane? Outside of Alex, no one. So Earl acts like himself and you all throw up the stream embargo flag?

Waaaah Earl doesn't act right....waaaaah Earl isn't a gentleman....wahhhh I'm not paying anymore.....

Jesus, go watch an online cross stitching tournament where you belong...
 
Respectfully, Neil, this match is a product that has been sold, and its purchasers have every right to speak as they please.

I spent money for this TAR product, and as I find this kind of behavior objectionable, it is not only my right but my obligation to point out that I find this aspect of the product disturbing. Earl's behavior detracted from my viewing experience, and I know that the event promoter wants to know about it. Mark Griffin, in his Session 2 commentary, made it clear he found Earl's conduct very objectionable, and that he'd talk to Earl about his conduct upon completion of Session 2.

Pro players need to either behave professionally or stop asking why they don't attract the sponsorship of image-conscious companies.
I agree with your comments 100%.

Isn't this match being refereed? I'm not watching the PPV but it's my understanding that this match does have a referee. Isn't it the referee's job to warn and impose penalties for players engaging in unsportsmanlike conduct?
 
Seriously, there is only ONE person that has a right to say anything about his antics, and that is his opponent. (or those playing near him, if in that situation) And, he doesn't appear to be bothered by it. So, all we have here is a bunch of complainers complaining about their favorite topic to complain about. It gets really old.

And, yes, I am complaining about the complainers. It needed to be said. People on here don't like Ralph Soguet (sp?) because he has no emotion. Then you complain about someone that does show emotion. Even to the point of saying you can't watch it??? That just seems like taking your prejudices a little too far. But, your loss.


I agree about the complainers but Earl should act like he wants others to act. He looked foolish clapping for SVB every time Earl made a mistake late last night.
 
You guys are a bunch of wet noodles. Cry babies.

You guys act as if Shane expected Earl to show up to this match with Jack Nicklaus-like etiquette. Shane KNOWS he's gonna meltdown and it doesn't bug him one iota. He's a pro.

Like him or hate him, who else is jumping in line to play Shane? Outside of Alex, no one. So Earl acts like himself and you all throw up the stream embargo flag?

Waaaah Earl doesn't act right....waaaaah Earl isn't a gentleman....wahhhh I'm not paying anymore.....

Jesus, go watch an online cross stitching tournament where you belong...

Spidey do you have a link to that stream. Are they using proper cross stitch etiquette?
 
Spidey do you have a link to that stream. Are they using proper cross stitch etiquette?

The national 3-year-old easter egg hunt at the white house has fewer cry babies. Everyone is taking offense as if they're Shane's backer.

Who cares if Earl shits in one of the pockets?!?? Stuff like that will win pool sponsorships, not the other way around. Proof-positive of that is to count the outside sponsors in pool today....... If Earl shits in the ball return, pool might end up on SpikeTV with tons of cash.
 
Seriously, there is only ONE person that has a right to say anything about his antics, and that is his opponent. (or those playing near him, if in that situation) And, he doesn't appear to be bothered by it. So, all we have here is a bunch of complainers complaining about their favorite topic to complain about. It gets really old.

And, yes, I am complaining about the complainers. It needed to be said. People on here don't like Ralph Soguet (sp?) because he has no emotion. Then you complain about someone that does show emotion. Even to the point of saying you can't watch it??? That just seems like taking your prejudices a little too far. But, your loss.

Agreed Neil, I would also bet that it's in the very high 90% range that the ones that complained about the 10' table challenge match antics had a couple bucks on Shane to win:-) I personally don't like to see him beat himself up because besides the 22 year spot, he's spotting his opponent his self destruction mode. Earl thrives on negativity though, and if you'll notice when he gets in negative mode he usually comes with something good playing wise. When he tried to change his temperment temporarily in the past he didn't play as well. There are things he does that make me cringe, but then I can't wait to see him match up next, go figure:-). He's one of the last of the colorful players left, granted it's not always a pretty color, but he's somewhat exciting. I don't think I could handle 2 guys in church mode match after match. In fact that might keep me from purchasing streams and I would just be a box score checker..
 
The "HORRORS" .... the same fools that complain about this are the same ones watching and/or attending NFL, NHL, and NBA games........There is a word for them, hyopcrites. This is pool, lighten up just a bit.

It's pool for heavens sake, not a knitting contest...... We love the old road hustlers, and their stories of scams, cons and hustles, and everything in between, but now we have a highly eccentric and intelligent gent who plays pool at a world class level that gets too wound up and too emotional when he plays, and what ever other "demons" we can only speculate about ...... guy has been on the road since 14......

He is NOT going to change folks. And it is has not stopped him one bit.
And he is 50 years old hanging with the best young gun in the game today. I don't recall anyone not wanting to play him, heck, this is SVB's third time playing earl in the last year alone.... heck, if he keeps showing up, he must not be too upset either...

Yes, this would NOT happen in Golf, but pool is NOT Golf and NEVER will be, and if anyone responds that if the behavior changes in pool pro's that it will HELP the game to attact sponsors, them I'm very sorry to report you are one very lost soul.

The game just was NOT made for TV..... if you don't play pool, you are NOT going to watch it, and we are NOT going to get others to watch it either.
 
Its not Earl's age that keeps him out of the winners bracket, he gives up when things arent going his way and then starts the side-show..., he wont compete anymore for some reason, naybe he just cant admitt to himself that to win again he is going to have to work like hell, there ae to many players that can get out, just like he can and the old days of people not wanting to play him are way in the past...,

as far as not having the right to complain about him.., its sports and thats what fans do in basketball, football, baseball or pool.

As far as the last couple of challenge matches, it seems that things have gone his way though. He beat Archer in an all around and SVB in 10 ball on a 5x10.....He's also keeping it quite close with Shane at the moment. He's not exactly getting detroyed by the best in the world, he's getting in the box and winning.....
 
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.... and I also hope he brings a quiver full of shafts.

LMFAO!!! I just chocked on my pepsi as I read that lol. Also hope he comes in with his ass waders and bee keepers hat hahaha.

On a more serious note , I think Earl is human as in he does not hide how he feels. Hes open and honest on how he feels and wares his heart on his sleeve, weather thats a good thing or bad thing is up to the people that see it.
 
JAM...While I can't agree with you wholeheartedly, I do believe that the pro players could benefit from becoming "entertainers"...but I'll stop short of calling them 'dancing monkeys'. People have always paid to be entertained, and pool is no different. The market is there, the money is there...only to decision to apply themselves is lacking. So U.S. pro pool is lemons as far as making a living playing competitively...instead of complaining, go make lemonade! I've been doing it quite nicely for nearly 20 years. If I can do it, almost anybody can...given the right attitude.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Sadly, in the pool world, being a champion won't buy you cup of coffee. I hope Earl can find something else in life to latch onto for happiness *and* security in life. Pool is cruel to its own. Pool pros can only look forward to growing old and becoming mere dancing monkeys for the entertainment and profit of others. I feel sorry for Earl, a five-time world champion, to tell you the truth. :sorry:

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Neil put it eloquently, i'll put it like this for all you serial whiners STFU already jeez

if you don't like him don't watch what's so effin hard about that ? do you also watch television shows you don't like and sit there and bit*h at the tv ?

end of rant \
 
JAM...While I can't agree with you wholeheartedly, I do believe that the pro players could benefit from becoming "entertainers"...but I'll stop short of calling them 'dancing monkeys'. People have always paid to be entertained, and pool is no different. The market is there, the money is there...only to decision to apply themselves is lacking. So U.S. pro pool is lemons as far as making a living playing competitively...instead of complaining, go make lemonade! I've been doing it quite nicely for nearly 20 years. If I can do it, almost anybody can...given the right attitude.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Well said, Scott. I wish a few more would follow your lead and adopt something other than a defeatist attitude.
 
There are plenty of players out there in the real world who act like Earl during compatition...I have seen them and have been one, I don't have the lettuce to buy shafts so I treat them good but when I am having a bad day I can get fired up!

It took this game 100+ years to achieve its reputation lets don't ruin it by being nice:p
 
Shits in the pockets...that's got me thinking. Two Earls, One Cup. The next internet sensation.

Earl bothers me but not enough to not pay and watch. The sharking should be put to a stop by someone...but I think their is a little fear factor that he will go on tilt and leave. Thus ending the show and nobody wants that.

Nick


The national 3-year-old easter egg hunt at the white house has fewer cry babies. Everyone is taking offense as if they're Shane's backer.

Who cares if Earl shits in one of the pockets?!?? Stuff like that will win pool sponsorships, not the other way around. Proof-positive of that is to count the outside sponsors in pool today....... If Earl shits in the ball return, pool might end up on SpikeTV with tons of cash.
 
You have no Honor

This forum is for discussion of the greatest game on earth.
I would say that everyone on this forum loves pool.

I believe that those who are complaining about Earls behavior loves the game.
They do not want it destroyed, and Honor it.

I was there at the Seminole at California Billiards this year.
Earl talked to me the whole time with me, against Mike Dechaine.
Who doesn't want to see one of the greatest players ever.
I told him he behaved terrible after the match, it would have been wrong of me not to tell him that.
Earl didn't like that, he thought I was on his side?

There is no side just Honor !!!

There are those who speak with forked tongue, I guess it is the money?
Such as the two teachers, I don't behave like that or condone his antics or behavior.
But then turn around and condone it ???
Then one teacher brags about how successful he is.

I am glad that I read this thread, I am looking for a teacher with Honor, that person to me is Max Eberle.
 
JAM...While I can't agree with you wholeheartedly, I do believe that the pro players could benefit from becoming "entertainers"...but I'll stop short of calling them 'dancing monkeys'. People have always paid to be entertained, and pool is no different. The market is there, the money is there...only to decision to apply themselves is lacking. So U.S. pro pool is lemons as far as making a living playing competitively...instead of complaining, go make lemonade! I've been doing it quite nicely for nearly 20 years. If I can do it, almost anybody can...given the right attitude.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I realize that there may be pool purists who have a completely different take on pool than I do, and I believe you fall into that camp, Scott. Nothing wrong with that. Different strokes for different folks.

The point of my post is this. I am not complaining; rather, I am providing an observation. After a pro player grows old, he gets little to no respect within the pool culture here in the United States. Ironically, it's not the pool purists, though, who ridicule them, rip 'em apart, call them "scum of the earth," and boast about their own college education and lucrative jobs when they thumb their nose at the pro player. It is the others, not the pool purists, who look at pro players as pariahs after they can't run a rack anymore. :(

You continue to share how much money you make in this industry, Scott, by teaching pool. Well, here's a flash alert for you. Just because somebody can play pool proficiently doesn't mean the pool pro can teach it. As well, just because somebody can teach pool doesn't mean the teacher can actually play pool proficiently. Two different animals. ;)

As I stated earlier in the thread, there is no money in pool today. It is a rich man's high. The same payouts are existent in pool today as they were in 1970. Yet, it costs $75 to $150 for a hotel room compared to $25 to $50 in 1970. It costs $3.50 to $4.50 for a gallon of gas compared to $1.50 in 1970. IOW, a pro player must come in first, second, or third place to break even on expenses. Sadly, they are usually so stuck from attending two, three, and four pool tournaments a month that even pocketing $10,000 for third place in the U.S. Open doesn't help bring one back in the black. Heck, it costs a couple dimes to stay the entire week at the U.S. Open, unless you like sleeping in a car, eating fast food, or sharing a room and sleeping on the floor.

There are only a handful, if that, of American pro-caliber players today who can afford to travel to Qatar, China, or Philippines. They either have a BCA industry member paying their way, looking out for their interests, or they have a fat stakehorse with deep pockets.

I love Jeanette Lee and admire her ability to market herself, but a sexy lady dressed in black that can run racks is a much better sell than, say, Johnny Archer running racks. An agent would have more success booking Jeanette, IMO, than Johnny, speaking hypothetically, of course. :p

Some strong pro players have left competition after the realization of what playing pool professionally really is, like Allen Hopkins, Mike Sigel, and Nick Varner. They try to eke out a living selling product and being pool promoters. John Schmidt tried his hand as a pool room owner. Mike Massey is a trick shot artist today instead of a pro player. Eddie Kelly deals cards in Vegas. Sooner or later, the pro player can't exist anymore playing pool professionally without a sponsor or a fat stakehorse.

Back to my original thoughts, the only people making money in pool is the industry members, pool promoters, instructional authors, teachers, and pool organization members. Even the pool print media is suffering and tyring to stay afloat. They have to try to build up their online presence and attract sponsors to pay the bills. Most print media today is just not fast enough for the readers in this age of technology. ;)

There is no market for professional pool in America. It's a dead fish in the water. Those who can't afford to compete professionally cannot do it full time and must get a job, or else they end up, yes, Scott, the dancing monkey for the profit and entertainment of others.

This is my story, and I am damn well sticking with it. People can thumb their nose up at today's pros and believe it's their fault that pool sucks in America, but it ain't. There's no market for pool in America. There's no money. There's no future. There's not hope for the pro-caliber player to have a decent future with the exception of very minute few, but when their streak ends, when they can't run a rack anymore, let's see how kind this forum is to them at that time. I already know the answer.

I'm not a defeatist; I am a realist. Been there, done that, spent six figures, and I know what promise professional pool holds for the pro player. As long as they dance like monkeys, they will be everybody's friend. There is not enough American pool pie for the pro players. They continue to scramble for crumbs while others enjoy a nice fat slice. And today the American pros must share their crumbs with our international bretheren, to include pool opportunities to compete in more lucrative events.

The existing lot of professional players in the United States is dwindling, and people wonder why.
 
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