Want to know why pool doesn't grow?

Wedge

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Watch the match between Johnathan Pinegar and Doug Young which will be archived at the Music City Open. How would you like to be a parent considering whether to let your son or daughter take up pool and have to watch someone like Doug Young's antics. Pinegar sat there for the first half of the set before he returned the favor to Young. Down 9-4 he came back and beat Young 11-9. Young is a real credit to the growth of the sport!
 
You might not like the antics but this has diddly squat to do with why the sport does not grow. A tiny fraction of a subculture of pool fanatics will ever even hear about this let alone see it. If people acting like an idiot were the key to a sports failure then there would not be much for pro sports.

This guy made golf what it is today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXhfyE2CX5c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yei716iofec

Tennis was never bigger then when this guy played.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koE_e_LX4c0

Baseball...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-sZzByuzMc

Most popular spectator sport on the planet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5XEjV1xDNs

This type of crap might turn you off, you might disagree with it, but it is NOT the reason sports suffer. The idea that if we can just get everyone to be all friendly and play with sportsmanship and pool will suddenly be a huge sport is an absurd notion and claiming such things in threads like this don't help the sport in the slightest. Threads like this take away the focus from the real issues that plague this sport, the game played and how freaking boring it is for the spectators currently. THAT is the problem with pool and it has been for decades.
 
Threads like this take away the focus from the real issues that plague this sport, the game played and how freaking boring it is for the spectators currently. THAT is the problem with pool and it has been for decades.

That's a lot of the problem..

Then there's also this little morsel:

From Walmart's website as it is right now:

Full-size football: $17 - need a park, field or yard

Spalding Varsity Basketball: $11, need a court or hoop

Youth glove: $9, Youth bat: $12, Dozen baseballs: $19 - need an open space

Spalding neverflat soccerball: $20 - need an open space/park, field or yard

Pujols Sweet Spot training bat: (Go Angels!) Why'd they get rid of their good players, just to be bad and need good players again?

Pool cue: $20 - need a pool table, not nearly as easy to get access to, most cost additional $ to use

And when parents would rather have their kids outside getting exercise and sun, it becomes pretty obvious where the numbers are going.
 
Pool will never be equal to an NFL event or NBA or MBL... There is not enough room for advertisements or pauses for T.V. adds or loud mouth douche bags running around shooting people in the head with T-shirt cannons.. You find a way that Chevy can pull down big bucks off running their car adds on TV during these events and you will see growth.

That is what fuels these sports. MONEY!

No money, no growth.

People are programmed to believe what is cool by the idiot box and the adds that are played.

And besides, IMHO... It is better that is a low key event. I respect the game too much to see it go the way of main stream sports. I hate it when I go play and the house is packed with dumbasses making a spectacle of themselves just because the girl on the table next to them is cute. Go home already and let us "real" players play.
 
Agree with the original post.

Every single time that a top player acts in a way that reinforces the negative image that pool is unable to escape from, it damages the sport by reducing thenlikelihuood that parents will encourage, or even allow, their kids to play it.

As one poster correctly noted, each individual incident may have a negligible impact as so few will be privy to the infraction in either behavior or sportsmanship.

Nonetheless, each indiscretion, no matter how small, is a problem, and the original poster is, in my view, right on the mark in suggesting that such incidents do hrm to the sport of pool.
 
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I watched that match. Once Doug took that first break the gloves were off. What a shark fest. Climaxing with the moving of the chairs where Johnathan wins out with a stealth move and Doug can’t quite figure out what just happened.
Anyway great stream thanks Bigtruck.
 
Agree with the original post.

Every single time that a top player acts in a way that reinforces the negative image that pool is unable to escape from, it damages the sport by reducing thenlikelihuood that parents will encourage, or even allow, their kids to play it.

As one poster correctly noted, each individual incident may have a negligible impact as so few will be privy to the infraction in either behavior or sportsmanship.

Nonetheless, each inciscretion, no matter how small, is a problem, and the original poster is, in my view, right on the mark in suggesting that such incidents do hrm to the sport of pool.

Ya, that's why parents don't let their kids grow up to be hockey players....

bob Danielson
www.bdcuesandcomix.com
 
You might not like the antics but this has diddly squat to do with why the sport does not grow. A tiny fraction of a subculture of pool fanatics will ever even hear about this let alone see it. If people acting like an idiot were the key to a sports failure then there would not be much for pro sports.

This guy made golf what it is today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXhfyE2CX5c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yei716iofec

Tennis was never bigger then when this guy played.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koE_e_LX4c0

Baseball...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-sZzByuzMc

Most popular spectator sport on the planet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5XEjV1xDNs

This type of crap might turn you off, you might disagree with it, but it is NOT the reason sports suffer. The idea that if we can just get everyone to be all friendly and play with sportsmanship and pool will suddenly be a huge sport is an absurd notion and claiming such things in threads like this don't help the sport in the slightest. Threads like this take away the focus from the real issues that plague this sport, the game played and how freaking boring it is for the spectators currently. THAT is the problem with pool and it has been for decades.

I've been trying to say this for a while now. It's not the swearing, fighting and fit throwing that made it a popular spectator sport. The drama is what made it popular.

The most electric pool tournament around is the Mosconi Cup. The reason it's electric is because of the emotion players show and the electricity the crowd creates feeding off the players and feeding the players.

The drama can come from a crowd, or the players. Outside of the MC the most drama you will find is in action. If they recorded the woofing, banter and money games happening at the DCC, US Open and other tournaments and then televised them I guarantee you would see a rise in interest.

Poker is by far the most boring thing in the world to televise and yet they figured out a way to create the drama necessary to televise it to death.
 
Its up to APA!!!!!!

I thin k all you guys have some good points...., But I know Waco (young) Doug, have played him lots of pool and have backed guys to play him for years...., he aint the problem

Every game that you fellow AZ'ers named is a team sport, so when a guy looks bad, all his team mates can help him feel better or help him win. When a guy goes to play Football, base ball, etc..., His woman can go and play or watch from the side with a crowd pulling for or against thier favorite team or players.

Thats way the BCA and more importanly the APA is the kep to growing or sustain Pool!! If people who cant play can still compete and have fun, while having the crowd or team pull for them, then they will play.

US Pro, A and B+ players have got to push people into the leagues so that when they do develope some skills they can begin to support the higher levels of the game!!
 
antics, mouthing, bad words or even swearing, is not what makes pool small, lol. it really isn't, in fact stuff like that often tends to make a sport bigger and more interesting...

you want to know why our game is small compared to tennis, golf, snooker, etc.

its the boredom that the spectator feels specially those who don't know the game very well, for example a first timer watching pool, he see Ralf souqet plays, he gets bored to death, turn the channel away, numbers are low on tv, ergo no tv coverage, simple as that.

you need to make the game more interesting, not more boring, there are way so many boring players in the pool world, and no offense to Ralf Souqet fans, there are other boring players to watch (Speaking in the point of view of someone that don't know pool) he will get bored.

players needs to make it interesting, appealing, fun to watch, if you want to fish for new crowds, thus more numbers, then more money, then more sponsors pepsi, coka, samsung and what have you, simple as that
 
You might not like the antics but this has diddly squat to do with why the sport does not grow. A tiny fraction of a subculture of pool fanatics will ever even hear about this let alone see it. If people acting like an idiot were the key to a sports failure then there would not be much for pro sports.

This guy made golf what it is today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXhfyE2CX5c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yei716iofec

Tennis was never bigger then when this guy played.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koE_e_LX4c0

Baseball...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-sZzByuzMc

Most popular spectator sport on the planet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5XEjV1xDNs

This type of crap might turn you off, you might disagree with it, but it is NOT the reason sports suffer. The idea that if we can just get everyone to be all friendly and play with sportsmanship and pool will suddenly be a huge sport is an absurd notion and claiming such things in threads like this don't help the sport in the slightest. Threads like this take away the focus from the real issues that plague this sport, the game played and how freaking boring it is for the spectators currently. THAT is the problem with pool and it has been for decades.

Makes Earl Strickland look like a choirboy.
 
The most electric pool tournament around is the Mosconi Cup. The reason it's electric is because of the emotion players show and the electricity the crowd creates feeding off the players and feeding the players.

The Mosconi Cup is boring. The doubles play and all the "YUR-UP"/"YOU-ESS-AY" cheering is totally boring.
 
Agree with the original post.

Every single time that a top player acts in a way that reinforces the negative image that pool is unable to escape from, it damages the sport by reducing thenlikelihuood that parents will encourage, or even allow, their kids to play it.

As one poster correctly noted, each individual incident may have a negligible impact as so few will be privy to the infraction in either behavior or sportsmanship.

Nonetheless, each inciscretion, no matter how small, is a problem, and the original poster is, in my view, right on the mark in suggesting that such incidents do hrm to the sport of pool.

I agree with you but as they,"Who do you see about it"?
It goes on and on and will continue to go on and on. Not by all, todays players for the most part are very decent guys and I feel interested on doing their part to preserve the reputation and integrity of the game. When it is not though, who is there to see?
IMO pro Pool, in the USA, is swindling and very quickly. pool needs something Like th PGA to watch over and deal with conduct issues and so forth. many are concious of their behavior and realize others are watching. A lotof the incidents are very isolated, but if someone was there to even issue a written warning, I think it would help greatly. again though there is little TV and most don't take the Streaming very seriously. i feel that the lack of TV hurts the game and the attitude of the players greatly. Without TV they don't get the exposure big sponsors want and therfore no audience equals, no money. No money, nobody in charge. Nobody in charge and the inmates are running the asylum!
 
The Mosconi Cup is boring. The doubles play and all the "YUR-UP"/"YOU-ESS-AY" cheering is totally boring.

It is boring, but substantially less boring than other competitions. There needs to be some crowd participation to add atmosphere - question is, how do you have that and not see the game descend into WWF farce at the same time?

The game desperately needs drama. 8/9/10 ball are just too boring to watch, especially without a stopclock, and they are the more TV friendly variants of the game. I suspect it's time for a new game entirely, which is point and time based, with big pay-outs for big finishes.

What's clear is what we have now ain't working.
 
Money!!!

I just browsed some ping pong sites. From what I gleaned it seems that professional ping pong players earn far more than any pro pool player.

Whenever I watch a pool video and hear the commentator talk about the prize money involved I feel embarrassed for for the entire endeavor. I don't understand how most of them manage to pay their expenses. What too do about it? Damned if I know.

Dave Nelson
 
Bottom line here. Pool is a non athletic sport. You don't need speed, quickness or strength. Heck, small Asian girls can hit the rack pretty hard too :) I still believe pool is a sport because it does require hand eye coordination.

Folks want excitement. There is a reason why Football is number one in the USA, you have speed, quickness and strength. Nobody wants to watch pool unless they play pool. Heck, my wife has never seen me play in a tourney or a league match ever. She has seen me play baseball hundredes of times. In the good outdoors, nice field, other wives to talk to, can bring the kids to the games to watch, etc. etc.

I'm not some pool newbie. Heck, my father owned a few pool rooms growing up. I got to watch the likes of The Beard, Artie B, Billy I, Bugs, Cannonball, etc. And I played as a kid too. Heck, I worked the counter at the place almost everynight when I was 15 and 16.

But then the game left me. I stopped playing after college, got married, started a career, etc. Yeah, I would go out once or twice a year to shoot pool, but that was it. But, about 10 years ago, I bought a new house that had a big basement, and what better than to fill it with a 9 foot table. So, I was almost completely absent from pool for over 15 years. (and my stroke is proof of that)

OK, I came back, and now play in leagues and some local tourneys, and been to Vegas a few times, went to DCC a few years back....... and I like the game and more involved now than ever before.

But baseball NEVER left me. I still play to this day in a hardball league. I think baseball might be the finest game ever invented imho. I love baseball, I like pool.

The things you can do in baseball (or football, hockey, basketball, volleyball) are just so varied and more exciting. I mean, a break and run is nice, but diving for a ground ball up the middle and throwing the guy at first base is something that cannot even be described if you have never done it. The timing, speed, coordination and accuracy to pull it all off is not only fun, but magical in a way.

Pool will never have that component of raw athleticism. Heck, a good HS volleyball game is some good TV. It's tough to sell pool to kids. There is just so much more to occupy their time. Heck, my own son (12) has NO interest in pool, and I have a freaking pool table ?? Baseball, Karate, Band, School Paper, not to mention video games....... not much time for anything else even if he actually liked pool.

But whatever my son does decide to do with his life, I"m pretty sure the things he chose thus far are going to have a bigger lasting impact on him, or quite possibly be able to use in his career, than learning how to shoot pool.

It would be nice to shoot a few racks with him without having to "bribe" him. But it still does NOT compare that he is willing to go out and throw a baseball around the yard and taking some batting practice for hours on end :)

Don't get me wrong, I really like pool. But if someone called me today for a touch football game, or a pick up basketball game, softball game, volleyball game, tennis match or even badmitton game,, I would set my fine custom cue down on the table and head out immediately.


Heck, nobody likes watching Earl or SVB or JA or JB playing some fine pool in a tourney as much as me, but compared to the Superbowl or World Series excitement, not even close....

Pool is a fringe sport and will never be big. Nothing wrong with that either. It does not have to compete against other sports because it cannot. SO, let it be the fringe sport it is, and our little sub culture will keep motoring because I really believe there will always be an interest in pool by folks, just not by a large number of them.
 
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Oops, I dug a little deeper and found that pro ping pong players don't really make out that well after all.

How do the pro snooker players in Europe do?

Dave Nelson
 
Oops, I dug a little deeper and found that pro ping pong players don't really make out that well after all.

How do the pro snooker players in Europe do?

Dave Nelson

Good for the good ones, bad for the bad ones. There's not mega money in it - the best of the best may get half a million dollars in a good year, perhaps. Sounds a lot compared to pool but there's no comparison in terms of skill and dedication required to get to the top.
 
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