I Just Don't Think They See It

Johnnyt

Johnnyt

Burn all jump cues
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I’ve been on AZ for 6 or 7 years now. I have a good idea how a lot of the members shoot here. Many have put up videos of themselves, some I’ve seen on stream, and some after reading their posts and other members telling how they shoot. I think the reason so many go ballistic on aiming is because people see visual/pictures differently. I believe some players just don’t see the correct contact point. Some can’t picture the correct angle, and some have a flaw in their set-up, pre-shot routine, or they don’t have as straight of a stroke like they think they do. Most of the members that go off on aiming threads don’t go off on any other type threads. Aiming and pocketing balls is one of the easy parts of the game. I honestly believe some just don’t see the correct contact point on the OB. Johnnyt
 
Johnnyt said:
I’ve been on AZ for 6 or 7 years now. I have a good idea how a lot of the members shoot here. Many have put up videos of themselves, some I’ve seen on stream, and some after reading their posts and other members telling how they shoot. I think the reason so many go ballistic on aiming is because people see visual/pictures differently. I believe some players just don’t see the correct contact point. Some can’t picture the correct angle, and some have a flaw in their set-up, pre-shot routine, or they don’t have as straight of a stroke like they think they do. Most of the members that go off on aiming threads don’t go off on any other type threads. Aiming and pocketing balls is one of the easy parts of the game. I honestly believe some just don’t see the correct contact point on the OB. Johnnyt
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You're right -- "people see visuals/pictures differently". But some guys want to insist that regardless of that fact, their particular approach to aiming is the holy grail of pool for everybody. Of course that's baloney.

Lou Figueroa
they hate it
when you say that :-)
 
lfigueroa said:
You're right -- "people see visuals/pictures differently". But some guys want to insist that regardless of that fact, their particular approach to aiming is the holy grail of pool for everybody. Of course that's baloney.

Lou Figueroa
they hate it
when you say that :-)
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How true.

Your ability to aim is determined within a few months of picking up a cue for the first time, by and large. The ability to deliver the cue to the required location is a lifelong challenge, however.

I tire of aiming threads. Those that bang on about them probably just can't play.
 
lfigueroa said:
You're right -- "people see visuals/pictures differently". But some guys want to insist that regardless of that fact, their particular approach to aiming is the holy grail of pool for everybody. Of course that's baloney.

Lou Figueroa
they hate it
when you say that :-)
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Lou, the only poster using the words "HOLY GRAIL" is you.


Dave Stem
If you doubt Lou,
Off to the bit bin with you.
 
OMG......

Again with this $hit ?

Go F N play and stop worrying about what other people think or why.

Sheesh.
 
TheThaiger said:
How true.

Your ability to aim is determined within a few months of picking up a cue for the first time, by and large. The ability to deliver the cue to the required location is a lifelong challenge, however.

I tire of aiming threads. Those that bang on about them probably just can't play.
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But you're here any way. Welcome to the club.

Lou Figueroa
 
RRfireblade said:
OMG......

Again with this $hit ?

Go F N play and stop worrying about what other people think or why.

Sheesh.
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The only one that seems to care what others think would seem to be... you.

So far the discussion is on topic with the OP. If you don't like the topic, there's always the Funny Picture thread.

Lou Figueroa
 
Johnnyt said:
I’ve been on AZ for 6 or 7 years now. I have a good idea how a lot of the members shoot here. Many have put up videos of themselves, some I’ve seen on stream, and some after reading their posts and other members telling how they shoot. I think the reason so many go ballistic on aiming is because people see visual/pictures differently. I believe some players just don’t see the correct contact point. Some can’t picture the correct angle, and some have a flaw in their set-up, pre-shot routine, or they don’t have as straight of a stroke like they think they do. Most of the members that go off on aiming threads don’t go off on any other type threads. Aiming and pocketing balls is one of the easy parts of the game. I honestly believe some just don’t see the correct contact point on the OB. Johnnyt
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Well we have both been here for quite a while and I agree with most of wht you say. However I will disagree with the pocketing balls being one the easier parts of the game. I still think it is the toughest part of the game and the most crucial. Pocketing balls is what separates the big boys from the also ran's, IMO.
I think we live in a very technical world and one where the younger are not willing to put in the time and work that we did years ago. just a week or so ago someone was talking about watching the cue ball or the object ball and someone responded that as long as you were lined up correctly, it just didn't matter. I wondered then how anyone could say such a thing and think anyone could place any value on his opinion or advice.
We can line up, pre shot routine correctly, and aim and maybe make tha ball but still end on in dead mans land and totally on the wrong side of the ball, and then blame the loss of the game blaming the safety that was attempted after the very routine shot was totally butchered because ;they weren't aware of the critical position on the the ball all because with being so technically correct, the shot was ignored and and not felt. After all all that other stuff goes out the window if you can't feel the shot which aligns and simplifies the game.
Then again I guess we can argue and rant about the new world all we want and they are still entitled their opinions. the game will not be again what it was 40 years ago nor will be the results. i don't see any Billy Incordonas, Buddy Halls, Ronnie Allens, and Harold Worsts coming down the pike either. Few are left to have seen and known. That I guess is just life!
 
this thread is important.
i have been playing pool for 5 years. i learn about ghost ball, object ball, point of contact etc etc from books and dvd. i thought i know everything about playing pool until i met a person who really know how to play pool.
anyway, practice 2-4 hours with him and i have improved a lot.

i think what johnny t thinks is right.
 
Our last good Billiard Survey reported that there where 49 million pool players.
I wonder how many aiming systems there are????
randyg......:wink:
 
randyg said:
Our last good Billiard Survey reported that there where 49 million pool players.
I wonder how many aiming systems there are????
randyg......:wink:
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Just like the number of pool player gods: 49 million.

Jeff Livingston
 
What I think the aiming systems do is keep people interested in practice. I've messed around with several different methods but what always ends up happening is I just revert back to aiming by feel, and it all happens automatically.

I really think that when you come across a shot that you struggle with it's easy to say that you just don't know how to aim at it and while this may be true, I've found that the reason I don't have the proper feel for how to aim at that shot is because I have pocketed that shot enough. It's that simple. Unfortunately, I have yet to find a shortcut for developing the proper feel for a shot -- the only thing that I have found that will give me the proper feel is pocketing it over and over again.

I have found that if I have to mechanically aim at the balls I might as well unscrew my cue and go home.
 
randyg said:
Our last good Billiard Survey reported that there where 49 million pool players.
I wonder how many aiming systems there are????
randyg......:wink:
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I got this one....49 million.No two people will line up the same and see the same thing.At best It's still just a guess.IMO John B.
 
lfigueroa said:
The only one that seems to care what others think would seem to be... you.

So far the discussion is on topic with the OP. If you don't like the topic, there's always the Funny Picture thread.

Lou Figueroa
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Or this one. Its a free world. Kiss my butt. ;)

Clearly tho, I'm not the one sitting home starting the umpteenth thread about the same tired ol nonsense amounting to nothing more than wondering why other people think what they think. Do you really think the staggering amount of aim thread content, argument, debate, etc, posted so far has left any possible morsel untouched?

Yea....no.

Of course if you don't like to read my comments, there is the funny pic thread. :)
 
Johnnyt said:
I honestly believe some just don’t see the correct contact point on the OB. Johnnyt
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Each player can easily find out if, or how often, this is the case for them the next time they play (or just from memory):

If you hit the OB where you intended, did it go exactly where you intended (in a pocket or a part of a pocket)? Then your aim was good on that shot. Conversely, your aim was off if you hit the OB where you intended and it doesn't go where you think it should have. Simple!

Don't move your head from its stroke position and keep watching the OB until after the CB-OB hit. You will see for yourself whether you miss from mis-aiming or from poor execution. (No one has 100% perfect aim or 100% perfect execution.)

The important part is that it's easy to tell what's happening on each shot - if you are paying attention.
 
Wierd

I actually started playing better when I stopped thinking about aiming :sorry:. Guess I hit enough balls to feel my way through most shots.
 
lfigueroa said:
You're right -- "people see visuals/pictures differently". But some guys want to insist that regardless of that fact, their particular approach to aiming is the holy grail of pool for everybody. Of course that's baloney.

Lou Figueroa
they hate it
when you say that :-)
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I don't use aiming/pocketing systems. Several people I shoot with do. Both approaches seem to work fine. But I also don't delude myself into thinking that it's snake oil since a ton of top pros do and it is VERY easy to spot. To each their own.
 
Johnnyt said:
I’ve been on AZ for 6 or 7 years now. I have a good idea how a lot of the members shoot here. Many have put up videos of themselves, some I’ve seen on stream, and some after reading their posts and other members telling how they shoot. I think the reason so many go ballistic on aiming is because people see visual/pictures differently. I believe some players just don’t see the correct contact point. Some can’t picture the correct angle, and some have a flaw in their set-up, pre-shot routine, or they don’t have as straight of a stroke like they think they do. Most of the members that go off on aiming threads don’t go off on any other type threads. Aiming and pocketing balls is one of the easy parts of the game. I honestly believe some just don’t see the correct contact point on the OB. Johnnyt
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I was having a bad day missing this one shot. I would always miss to one side of the pocket. I kept wondering how come I was hitting the wrong spot on the OB.

Then, I thought of it another way. What if I really am hitting the right spot on the ball, but I am choosing the wrong place to put the OB in the pocket.

If you can not pick the correct point in the pocket to put the OB, then everything else is wrong.

I noticed at times when I would miss, the last point where I looked was where I would miss. I started ensuring the last thing I looked at was where I want to put the OB in the pocket or somewhere on the table and then I and only then do I find the spot on the table to put the CB to make the OB go to that point I picked.

I had been hitting the right spot on the OB, just was picking the wrong spot to put the OB and didn't know I was.

The is a training device called the Arrow that Babe Cranfield designed that show you where on the table to put the CB to make the OB go where you want.

By using more than one, you can setup combo's and caroms to help speed up the learning process by being able to set up the shots dead on and not guessing about it.

Set up the cut shot the Bob Jewett does that has everyone talking and use the arrow to show you where to put the CB to make that shot. No guessing.

http://books.google.com/books?id=dK...EwAA#v=onepage&q=arrow babe cranfield&f=false
 
I think your right on the spot!

Johnnyt said:
I’ve been on AZ for 6 or 7 years now. I have a good idea how a lot of the members shoot here. Many have put up videos of themselves, some I’ve seen on stream, and some after reading their posts and other members telling how they shoot. I think the reason so many go ballistic on aiming is because people see visual/pictures differently. I believe some players just don’t see the correct contact point. Some can’t picture the correct angle, and some have a flaw in their set-up, pre-shot routine, or they don’t have as straight of a stroke like they think they do. Most of the members that go off on aiming threads don’t go off on any other type threads. Aiming and pocketing balls is one of the easy parts of the game. I honestly believe some just don’t see the correct contact point on the OB. Johnnyt
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I think your right on the spot!

At one time I thought I ws hitting center ball until i seen a video.

Then somebody proved it to me with a simple roll of the ball.
 
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