TAR Podcast #8 - Shane - Fransisco - Shane Talks About His Aiming Method

Efren says that he uses a tight bridge as well...why many Philipinos use powder.

mika said something that makes perfect sense. he said that a tiny extra movement in the stroking hand can result in a half ball difference in where the cue ball goes at the other end of the table.

johnny said people can think that they have a solid bridge and not notice the little movements they when stroking.
 
Then again you assume wrongly that some of us haven't had tournament experience on an equal level as you have.

You and others like to discount the "experience" that an aiming system advocate brings to the table but you tout your own when you want to support your stance. Seems a bit unfair to me.

I mean the last big tournament we discussed on here, the US Open, had Stan Shuffett getting pretty deep in the field and you said everything possible to NOT assign ANY credit whatsoever to the aiming method he teaches with helping him to get there.

Randy Goetlicher is a national champion and has played in hundreds of tournaments with high caliber players.

Scott Lee has played in hundreds of events and been on the road all his life.

I have played Bustamante, Souquet, and plenty of other pros in events throughout my life (and lost to all of them) so does that mean you will allow my tournament experience as a qualifier for this discussion?

Somehow I doubt it.


Where did I assume anything about "aiming system advocates" in that post? I specifically said at the beginning of that post that I was talking about the numnuts who only shoot a great game of pool from behind their keyboards.

Lou Figueroa
 
Thanks, Jeff, for bringing this "overlearned behavior" terminology to our attention. I just read a bit more about it online, and it sounds like you are right on.

Thank you.

More accuracy of terminology helps a player learn faster/better as he isn't chasing the wrong rabbit, so to speak.

The same is true of "instinct." It is credited for good play, but I think it is, again, simply overlearned behavior, not being born with pool "instincts," that makes a player good.

Instinct is being able to suckle and cry and fear heights from birth. I don't think potting balls effortlessly is one of those things we're born with.

I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

Jeff Livingston
 
mika said something that makes perfect sense. he said that a tiny extra movement in the stroking hand can result in a half ball difference in where the cue ball goes at the other end of the table.

johnny said people can think that they have a solid bridge and not notice the little movements they when stroking.

Ding, ding, ding... We have a winner. When I miss a shot, it is either because I didn't accurately visualize the contact point, had poor mechanics for the stroke for that specific shot, or didn't compensate for throw, or in about 90% of the cases, I start to stand up during the shot. Irritates the crap out of me! With the CTE, stick aiming method, etc. my biggest problem is calculating the angle needed to know where to aim. It becomes even harder for me when shooting on a big table with shimmed pockets as the range of angles required to execute the shot is much smaller.
 
Where did I assume anything about "aiming system advocates" in that post? I specifically said at the beginning of that post that I was talking about the numnuts who only shoot a great game of pool from behind their keyboards.

Lou Figueroa

:-) Lou, the thing is that neither you nor I really KNOW who is behind the keyboard and what their experience is unless we know who they are and know them very well.

But in general you have often displayed the "who have you beat" rational to discredit those who teach aiming systems. And to be fair some of those who teach or advocate aiming systems have used it against you as well.
 
:-) Lou, the thing is that neither you nor I really KNOW who is behind the keyboard and what their experience is unless we know who they are and know them very well.


John, in some cases it's pretty obvious when it's a numnuts behind the keyboard who can only play pool from there and never gets out into the real world -- even you would have to grant that ;-)

Lou Figueroa
 
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John, in some cases it's pretty obvious when it's a numnuts behind the keyboard who can only play pool from there and never gets out into the real world -- even you would have to grant that ;-)

Lou Figueroa

I guess so. The only one I can think of at the moment who really fits that bill is Duckie. As much as that guy talks about how to play I thought he was at least a good shortstop but come to find out he is a 2 in his local handicapped tournament.
 
I guess so. The only one I can think of at the moment who really fits that bill is Duckie. As much as that guy talks about how to play I thought he was at least a good shortstop but come to find out he is a 2 in his local handicapped tournament.

I think he was talking about Patrick Johnson.
 
I guess so. The only one I can think of at the moment who really fits that bill is Duckie. As much as that guy talks about how to play I thought he was at least a good shortstop but come to find out he is a 2 in his local handicapped tournament.


Regardless of his playing level, Duckie makes intelligent, insightful contributions to the threads in participates in. There is at least one numnut right in this thread who couldn't do that with a gun to its head. Think harder.

Lou Figueroa
just a little bit :-)
 
I think he was talking about Patrick Johnson.

That's a low blow since Pat's not here. :-) Pat actually can play pretty good himself. Pat's alright, he is just like a lot of us, stubborn and bullheaded at times. In person he is a very nice guy and really a good guy to hang out with.

I wish he wasn't banned. But he is probably better off for being away from AZB.

Tonight I was playing cheap sets with a pretty good player and I found myself wanting to check AZB and that was getting me out of my game. Sometimes I wish that I had never logged onto a billiard forum. On the other hand I wouldn't have met a lot of awesome people from around the world.

I just think we should all take a step back and try to remember that we are all here to talk pool in some way or another.

On another note during this podcast it was freaking hilarious to see someone write "shane uses the HAMB method" and Shane was like WTF is that? And he and Justin were both clueless as to what HAMB stood for.

I also thought it was hilarious how many times Shane said he doesn't use any ghost balls.

And what he did say which is true and what most of us have been saying forever is that he has used his method so much that he doesn't have to think about it, he just does it. And that's really true of any approach. At some point if you do it enough then it's second nature.

Anyway I am rambling as always......... put in a good four hours tonight and my back is killing me.
 
Regardless of his playing level, Duckie makes intelligent, insightful contributions to the threads in participates in. There is at least one numnut right in this thread who couldn't do that with a gun to its head. Think harder.

Lou Figueroa
just a little bit :-)

Um, not from my perspective. I haven't seen Duckie make many intelligent much less insightful contributions.

As for people in this thread I am not about to start characterizing them - the point is that most people here do have some experience to draw from as players in my opinion.
 
John, in some cases it's pretty obvious when it's a numnuts behind the keyboard who can only play pool from there and never gets out into the real world -- even you would have to grant that ;-)

Lou Figueroa

Its also kind of funny when a numnut gets out from behind his keyboard after building himself up like he the second coming of mosconi and he is no better than a average league player when he gets on video?
 
I guess so. The only one I can think of at the moment who really fits that bill is Duckie. As much as that guy talks about how to play I thought he was at least a good shortstop but come to find out he is a 2 in his local handicapped tournament.

You are full of shit. Until someone on here ever plays me in person or has seen me play, no one has any idea what I can and can not do.

I so wish I could could play you. But, it is so easy to bash someone so far away and never have to step up to the plate.

Anyone can find me at Edgies if they truly want to see what I can do using ghost ball and how HAMB has paid off.

Play me or shut up about how you think I shoot.

Jerk.
 
For those of you that want to hear Shane talking a little more about his aiming method, here is some more video.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=3414440#post3414440

What I learned from this video:

1. When Shane needs to adjust a bit off of his three basic reference alignments (left edge, center, or right edge of shaft to edge of OB), he does so by adjusting on the OB rather than adjusting on the stick. That is, he still uses an edge or center of the stick (rather than something in between edge and center) but alters the aim point on the OB to something a bit off the OB edge.

2. When he is shooting a straight shot (center of stick to center of OB), he uses the base of the OB as his target (rather than the center on the equator).

3. Teaching is tough.
 
In the video, at around 25:00, he describes the stroke I was trying to explain in another thread. I guess it's not mystical or quirky if Shane does it, too. Sorry about the hijack. Back to old school, business as usual debating.

Best,
Mike
 
Um, not from my perspective. I haven't seen Duckie make many intelligent much less insightful contributions.

As for people in this thread I am not about to start characterizing them - the point is that most people here do have some experience to draw from as players in my opinion.


Funny how quick and ready you were to characterize Duckie. Now all of a sudden you are so demure, lol.

Lou Figueroa
 
In the video, at around 25:00, he describes the stroke I was trying to explain in another thread. I guess it's not mystical or quirky if Shane does it, too. Sorry about the hijack. Back to old school, business as usual debating.

Best,
Mike

Yup. He says that you want to spin the ball. then it is said that at contact he uses stun and acceleration - probably to the outside.

He doesn't know that (swiping) doesn't work for the contact time to the OB is only one millisecond and no gearing can take place.:wink:

We won't argue the point.:thumbup:

Be well.:)
 
You are full of shit. Until someone on here ever plays me in person or has seen me play, no one has any idea what I can and can not do.

I so wish I could could play you. But, it is so easy to bash someone so far away and never have to step up to the plate.

Anyone can find me at Edgies if they truly want to see what I can do using ghost ball and how HAMB has paid off.

Play me or shut up about how you think I shoot.

Jerk.

Man.... He stepped right on your balls lol:rotflmao1:
 
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