Duckie isn't in the thread. Also I was talking about facts known about him through his own revelations.
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TAR Podcast #8 - Shane - Fransisco - Shane Talks About His Aiming Method
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Duckie isn't in the thread. Also I was talking about facts known about him through his own revelations.
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Yet... you found a way to bring his name up and bad mouth him in this thread. Nice, John.
Lou Figueroa
I will be happy to play you. I will be at the SBE.
you have been very liberal with your judgement of other people's skills based on nothing more than your disagreement with their choice of aiming methods. So don't be surprised when people laugh at you when you say you are a two in the local handicap tournaments.
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Here we had SVB disclosing some details of how he aims...which I thought would finally result in a read-worthy aiming thread. It lasted about 3 pages.
Then the...
know-it-alls (one of which admitted he didn't understand what SVB said & would leave the thread alone...for 30 seconds LOL),
CTE-cures-cancer (bow to my educational superiority or be forever damned!), and the
need-to-argue-every-f'in-day (I'm so unhappy with my life that I need to argue endlessly with any person that can be dragged into the fray) types stepped in & ruined yet another aiming thread.
I see you've piled on 14 more pages fellas...enjoy your thread...you're the only ones paying any attention now.
Then the...
know-it-alls (one of which admitted he didn't understand what SVB said & would leave the thread alone...for 30 seconds LOL),
CTE-cures-cancer (bow to my educational superiority or be forever damned!), and the
need-to-argue-every-f'in-day (I'm so unhappy with my life that I need to argue endlessly with any person that can be dragged into the fray) types stepped in & ruined yet another aiming thread.
I see you've piled on 14 more pages fellas...enjoy your thread...you're the only ones paying any attention now.
#1 Lenny started the thread with the hope that the aiming system naysayers would be quiet since here is a pro talking about the fact that he uses an aiming system. - didn't happen.
#2. There is plenty of useful information here.
#3. Your amateur attempt at psychoanalysis is exactly what keeps arguments going. maybe next time you think about issuing insults you can ask yourself if what you are about to say helps to make the situation any better.
I was responding to your characterization of people who talk about playing but can't actually play that I KNOW of. Duckie is the ONLY person who has been involved in these discussions that I know talks a way bigger game than he has. As proven by his videos and his self-admitted status as a 2 in his local handicapped events.
For that matter your whole long rant about people getting out and playing in events had no place in this thread did it?
I know the "Sam" method that scott and the guys at cuetech teach, but the one im talking about is what shane and lenny are talking about. Its also very useful on bank shots. Your basically always aiming at the outermost edge of the OB with the shaft, just differing angle shots have a differient part of the shaft aimed at the edge of the ob. Its very similar to Hal's/cuetecks sam method as you dont really have to see the pocket to know where to hit the OB.
The sam method shanes explaining is how i reference in off the shadow method i use for dropping in on the proper line. It sort of makes all the shots the same since you get used to sighting to the edge of the OB, not necessarily at the contact point.
The reason for this is..........The CB is a bullet
The cuestick is your rifle
You dont aim the bullet
You aim the gun
Because if the gun is pointed at the proper place on the target then the bullet goes there because the gun makes it so.
Some thinner cuts you DO need to also aim the CB as you need to see its edge line too........thats where some of gene's perfect aim comes in nicely.
Main differience b/t Hal's method and what shane is explaining is there is no pivot, we drop in on the proper intended line we dont drop in center and shift (Lenny even mentioned this)
WHen you make a closed bridge, i refer to the hole the shaft goes through at the BULLSEYE
Where ever I'm going to strike the CB that BULLSEYE drops right in front of it........i "center" my bridge to the intended contact point, NOT center my bridge on Center CB and then pivot to the contact.
-Greyghost
Good post Ghost. No matter how you aim if stop after your all lined up and then pay attention to the shaft you can tell alot about this system. If time after time your shaft is pointing where Shane says then maybe it would be useful to start there as your reference point. However if your shaft is not there on some or all shots maybe you can start narrowing down why you always miss certain angled shots. Either way all you have to do is pay a little more attention to see where your shaft points before you pull the trigger.
And I will add that all of these systems can be reverse engineered in the same way. By starting with known lines you can test any system and figure it out if you have the instructions.
Oh no he didn't!!!!!!!!!
Here's what your missing about aiming with the shaft and differences of diameter...........
You raise your shaft infront of you when looking at the shot throught the shot line.
LOOK THROUGH THE SHAFT, and it becomes opaque and you can see the OB and CB behind it.
You can adjust the shaft up or down closer and farther to your eyes (all done standing up) untill both edges of the shaft ON ANY PART OF THE SHAFT line up with the CB edges, then the shaft on which ever particular side is called for lines up with the edge of the OB.
You drop in on this alignment..........
And you make the ball..........
If your doing that while down on the shot, then YES shaft diameter would matter.......if you do it standing up as part of preshot then the optical illusion of the invisible shaft does the work for you.
Aiming through your the magic shaft like that is about as close to cheating by drawing your shot line with a marker as your going to get.
Thats where the math in aiming methods really gets fuzzy my friends. The pure math aficinados forget that OPTICS play a huge part in the game, and many things are just OPTICAL ILLUSIONS and this is why sometimes "THE MATH" dont always add up in my oh so humble opinion.
Geno's method of the eye shift works because its adding shot lines and making the picture more FLAT/2D so you see 2 CIRCLES not 2 SPHERES, and its alot easier to find contacts and such on a 2d field than a 3d one.
Best example of the 2d shot is a 80+ degree backcut with OB and CB say an inch offset with a cut gap of say 1/16th of an inch.........if you get down on the shot it looks IMPOSSIBLE.
If you stand HIGH on the shot (nearly standing straight up and down) and your now looking DOWN on the cut shot.......it turns into a flat picture of 2 circles instead of 2 spheres and you see contact edge and ob contact point and put point A to point B and BANG it goes.........ONLY BECAUSE YOU OPTICALLY CUT OUT YOUR MARGIN FOR ERROR on a optically spherical based shot by making it a 2d shot.
I'm sure this sounds crazy as all get down, somewhat intelligent laced with a pinch of looney..........
But you can give your eyes LESS things too see and be confused and reduce error margin while gaining accuracy in finding a much more PRECISE contact.
Some methods strengthen you by giving you less to filter so that you can concentrate your efforts fully on the more important condensed data.
Cleaner, quicker more efficient input resulting in clear thinking and proper performance.
OH YES I DID!
-Greyghost
Here's what your missing about aiming with the shaft and differences of diameter...........
You raise your shaft infront of you when looking at the shot throught the shot line.
LOOK THROUGH THE SHAFT, and it becomes opaque and you can see the OB and CB behind it.
You can adjust the shaft up or down closer and farther to your eyes (all done standing up) untill both edges of the shaft ON ANY PART OF THE SHAFT line up with the CB edges, then the shaft on which ever particular side is called for lines up with the edge of the OB.
You drop in on this alignment..........
And you make the ball..........
If your doing that while down on the shot, then YES shaft diameter would matter.......if you do it standing up as part of preshot then the optical illusion of the invisible shaft does the work for you.
Aiming through your the magic shaft like that is about as close to cheating by drawing your shot line with a marker as your going to get.
Thats where the math in aiming methods really gets fuzzy my friends. The pure math aficinados forget that OPTICS play a huge part in the game, and many things are just OPTICAL ILLUSIONS and this is why sometimes "THE MATH" dont always add up in my oh so humble opinion.
Geno's method of the eye shift works because its adding shot lines and making the picture more FLAT/2D so you see 2 CIRCLES not 2 SPHERES, and its alot easier to find contacts and such on a 2d field than a 3d one.
Best example of the 2d shot is a 80+ degree backcut with OB and CB say an inch offset with a cut gap of say 1/16th of an inch.........if you get down on the shot it looks IMPOSSIBLE.
If you stand HIGH on the shot (nearly standing straight up and down) and your now looking DOWN on the cut shot.......it turns into a flat picture of 2 circles instead of 2 spheres and you see contact edge and ob contact point and put point A to point B and BANG it goes.........ONLY BECAUSE YOU OPTICALLY CUT OUT YOUR MARGIN FOR ERROR on a optically spherical based shot by making it a 2d shot.
I'm sure this sounds crazy as all get down, somewhat intelligent laced with a pinch of looney..........
But you can give your eyes LESS things too see and be confused and reduce error margin while gaining accuracy in finding a much more PRECISE contact.
Some methods strengthen you by giving you less to filter so that you can concentrate your efforts fully on the more important condensed data.
Cleaner, quicker more efficient input resulting in clear thinking and proper performance.
OH YES I DID!
-Greyghost
is this you in this video,greyghost?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1VfH_tPoRo&list=UULo0Kbj9BCnIvTPRO6NZvag&index=7&feature=plcp
That's a good way to explain it. One of my 3 goals for practice this past summer (my off time) was placing my bridge in a better position relative to my right foot. Your explanation really helps find the right spot for my bridge.
Thanks.
yes. thanks for reminding me i was typing so much i almost forgot to mention a good thing from one of the videos on forcefollows youtube site.
The whole magic see through shaft thing....i talk about that and demonstrate what I'm talking about with raising the cue and looking through it.
Back hand at hip, shaft in grip hand raised to the eyes (can adjust closer to eyes or farther to ADJUST SHAFT DIAMETER) while standing in line with the shot.
Back foot is planted and stuck in concrete
Chin lock
Step in (or out) with the lead foot (in would be normal pool stance, out is snooker style....snooker style being more square with the shot* my preference)
Close your eyes and make the ball.
Its magic......for realz yo!
-Greyghost
Somebody wondered how the stick aiming is done when the CB is far away from the OB.
Simply set the tip in position, next to the OB with center of the butt along the center of the CB. THAT is your aiming line, assuming no spin, etc. That way, the change in the perceived size of the tip doesn't matter as it's sitting next to the OB and in perspective.
Jeff Livingston
Simply set the tip in position, next to the OB with center of the butt along the center of the CB. THAT is your aiming line, assuming no spin, etc. That way, the change in the perceived size of the tip doesn't matter as it's sitting next to the OB and in perspective.
Jeff Livingston
yea yea! Thanks! Glad to be of some use around here still lol.
The foot is a great point. (ur probably a righty correct?)
the planted back foot, raised shaft, chin lock help you drop into proper alignment.......this extends up from the back foot, to the shoulder, to the web of the hand b/t pointer and thumb, to the BULLSEYE at the bridge had where the tip is directed.........if you drew a line over the mechanics it would fall center on all those points........
and this makes it do what?
Oh yea......GO STRAIT
bullseye,
-Greyghost
Thanks they have been up for a year or so i guess, marcus (forcefollow) does some very good ones himself as well (he did all the work on mine, all i did was flap my gums lol)
Hopefully soon I'll be putting out some more stuff when I can get over to Houston so marcus and I can make it happen.
best wishes,
Keebie
If you had actually read Banks' original post, in which he quoted someone else, and to which I responded with my thoughts about tournaments, you'd see that you are wrong, again.
Lou Figueroa
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That's the GreyGhost. You should also watch the fundamentals video 2 of 2 where he elaborates on other aspects of fundamentals.
Forcefollow has got a great collection of videos with many different aspects of pool which you can also watch.
I liked Grey Ghost's video on 9 ball break but didn't like his open bridge.
(I guess I'm jealous) Lol
That's the GreyGhost. You should also watch the fundamentals video 2 of 2 where he elaborates on other aspects of fundamentals.
Forcefollow has got a great collection of videos with many different aspects of pool which you can also watch.
I liked Grey Ghost's video on 9 ball break but didn't like his open bridge.
(I guess I'm jealous) Lol
I always pictured Greyghost as a little older...... even grey haired lol
good video Ghost