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stlerdave

stlerdave

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Was at league Thursday night, other team captain has a heart attack!!! 25 middle aged men and ladies in a bar, not 1 single person knew what to do. 2 members of our team and I are taking CPR lessons next month. Sad we didnt know what to do. I hope I never have to do it, but I better learn it. He is having surgery monday, 90% blockage.
Hope to have a charity tourney to help with this mans living expenses, he may be out of work awhile, if any AZers are close to Newark, Ohio area I will post anything planned. :thumbup:
 
might be interested in coming to a charity event. Don't know how far Newark is from here, but I might be able to get out that way if you have an event.
 
About 25 miles east of columbus I will post any events, Thanks:thumbup:
 
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Hard to believe no one out 25 people know cpr. Even if you don't know cpr do something. Just from watching TV shows you should be able to do something. Doing nothing usually=dead. Johnnyt
 
Johnnyt said:
Hard to believe no one out 25 people know cpr. Even if you don't know cpr do something. Just from watching TV shows you should be able to do something. Doing nothing usually=dead. Johnnyt
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What he said.

It's not rocket science, you just have to do chest compressions it doesnt really require that much training. I think what scares people most is getting in trouble if they try to help and the guy dies anyway, with society being sue happy these days it can be a real concern. Hell, you could save some people and they'd still sue you for breaking a couple of ribs doing CPR...lol
 
cpr

sue happy in most states doesnt count because you are trying to save their life cannot be sued for it.
but if dont know what your doing make sure they are not breathing before you start cpr. because if they are breathing and you do cpr you might kill them.
911 operator might walk you through it i dont want to mis quote the compressions to breaths i think its 15/2 but i could be wrong or thats the number for a child. they might have change this. so find out also its work half hearted isnt going to get it. also there is a good chance they will throw up in your mouth.
MMike
 
mortuarymike-nv said:
sue happy in most states doesnt count because you are trying to save their life cannot be sued for it.
but if dont know what your doing make sure they are not breathing before you start cpr. because if they are breathing and you do cpr you might kill them.
911 operator might walk you through it i dont want to mis quote the compressions to breaths i think its 15/2 but i could be wrong or thats the number for a child. they might have change this. so find out also its work half hearted isnt going to get it. also there is a good chance they will throw up in your mouth.
MMike
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It's 2/30. Tilt head back and pinch nose. 911 dispatcher will talk you through it. Johnnyt
 
not 1 single person knew what to do
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Actually, it sounds like someone did know what to do (call 911).

Call 911.

The operator will talk you through CPR if needed and if you are willing.



Crash course: He's not choking. He hit the floor and had NO PULSE. Call 911 and start chest compressions NOW. Center of the chest, both hands, hard enough to break ribs. Just do it to the beat of the song "Staying Alive" by the Bee Gees (that's 100 BPM) until the paramedics get there.


While we are on the subject, we can than this man (posthumously) : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Safar
http://www.post-gazette.com/obituaries/20030805safar0805p1.asp

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He virtually invented what we now call CPR and ACLS. He also created the modern ambulance and ambulance service, the mannequin everybody trains on (Resusci Anne) and many other achievements.

My father met him in Peru in the 1950's, then worked with him in Pittsburgh in the 1960's. Dr Safar went on to create and run the resuscitation laboratories at the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine where I did research (I was a grunt). I was very privileged to be acquainted with the man, he was an excellent doctor, clinician, scientist, and teacher.
 
Chopdoc said:
Actually, it sounds like someone did know what to do (call 911).

Call 911.

The operator will talk you through CPR if needed and if you are willing.



Crash course: He's not choking. He hit the floor and had NO PULSE. Call 911 and start chest compressions NOW. Center of the chest, both hands, hard enough to break ribs. Just do it to the beat of the song "Staying Alive" by the Bee Gees (that's 100 BPM) until the paramedics get there.


While we are on the subject, we can than this man (posthumously) : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Safar
http://www.post-gazette.com/obituaries/20030805safar0805p1.asp

Safar_Peter.jpg


He virtually invented what we now call CPR and ACLS. He also created the modern ambulance and ambulance service, the mannequin everybody trains on (Resusci Anne) and many other achievements.

My father met him in Peru in the 1950's, then worked with him in Pittsburgh in the 1960's. Dr Safar went on to create and run the resuscitation laboratories at the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine where I did research (I was a grunt). I was very privileged to be acquainted with the man, he was an excellent doctor, clinician, scientist, and teacher.
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Just to add to the above this is a tv advert from the UK by the British Hart Foundation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILxjxfB4zNk
 
Chopdoc said:
Actually, it sounds like someone did know what to do (call 911).

Call 911.

The operator will talk you through CPR if needed and if you are willing.



Crash course: He's not choking. He hit the floor and had NO PULSE. Call 911 and start chest compressions NOW. Center of the chest, both hands, hard enough to break ribs. Just do it to the beat of the song "Staying Alive" by the Bee Gees (that's 100 BPM) until the paramedics get there.


While we are on the subject, we can than this man (posthumously) : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Safar
http://www.post-gazette.com/obituaries/20030805safar0805p1.asp

Safar_Peter.jpg


He virtually invented what we now call CPR and ACLS. He also created the modern ambulance and ambulance service, the mannequin everybody trains on (Resusci Anne) and many other achievements.

My father met him in Peru in the 1950's, then worked with him in Pittsburgh in the 1960's. Dr Safar went on to create and run the resuscitation laboratories at the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine where I did research (I was a grunt). I was very privileged to be acquainted with the man, he was an excellent doctor, clinician, scientist, and teacher.
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Was the choice of the song "Stayin' Alive" intentionally ironic?

I hope your rep meter maxes out after this awesome post Doc! :-)
 
Chopdoc said:
Actually, it sounds like someone did know what to do (call 911).

Call 911.

The operator will talk you through CPR if needed and if you are willing.



Crash course: He's not choking. He hit the floor and had NO PULSE. Call 911 and start chest compressions NOW. Center of the chest, both hands, hard enough to break ribs. Just do it to the beat of the song "Staying Alive" by the Bee Gees (that's 100 BPM) until the paramedics get there.


While we are on the subject, we can than this man (posthumously) : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Safar
http://www.post-gazette.com/obituaries/20030805safar0805p1.asp

Safar_Peter.jpg


He virtually invented what we now call CPR and ACLS. He also created the modern ambulance and ambulance service, the mannequin everybody trains on (Resusci Anne) and many other achievements.

My father met him in Peru in the 1950's, then worked with him in Pittsburgh in the 1960's. Dr Safar went on to create and run the resuscitation laboratories at the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine where I did research (I was a grunt). I was very privileged to be acquainted with the man, he was an excellent doctor, clinician, scientist, and teacher.
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A true hero.

I wonder how many votes he'd get on Am Idol?

Jeff Livingston
 
Johnnyt said:
It's 2/30. Tilt head back and pinch nose. 911 dispatcher will talk you through it. Johnnyt
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Basic first aid and CPR have done away with breaths and have gone strictly to compressions. Buddy system works well for compressions also.

My finals scenario, I did CPR (with breaths) for 45 minutes. Not fun. (couple years back, no breaths is a recent change)
 
agreed

D_Lewis said:
Basic first aid and CPR have done away with breaths and have gone strictly to compressions. Buddy system works well for compressions also.

My finals scenario, I did CPR (with breaths) for 45 minutes. Not fun. (couple years back, no breaths is a recent change)
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you are correct. the most recent recommendations are to ONLY do compressions without the breaths.

and other recommendations are to switch who does the compressions periodically.

keep arms straight, no bending of elbows.

hope he does ok.
 
mortuarymike-nv said:
sue happy in most states doesnt count because you are trying to save their life cannot be sued for it.
but if dont know what your doing make sure they are not breathing before you start cpr. because if they are breathing and you do cpr you might kill them.
911 operator might walk you through it i dont want to mis quote the compressions to breaths i think its 15/2 but i could be wrong or thats the number for a child. they might have change this. so find out also its work half hearted isnt going to get it. also there is a good chance they will throw up in your mouth.
MMike
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The first part of your post is spot on as far as making sure that the person is breathin or not. If they are not breathing and it is confirmed by others, you can't be accused of killing them so give it your best shot.

HOWEVER, if I am not mistaken, CPR training no longer includes mouth to mouth resucitation. Maybe someone can correct me if I am wrong.
 
JoeyA said:
The first part of your post is spot on as far as making sure that the person is breathin or not. If they are not breathing and it is confirmed by others, you can't be accused of killing them so give it your best shot.

HOWEVER, if I am not mistaken, CPR training no longer includes mouth to mouth resucitation. Maybe someone can correct me if I am wrong.
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In Canada, it's called 'the good samaratin act' basically says if you use your training as you were taught, you can't be charged with anything of you're trying to save someone's life. As long as you have consent or implied consent (unconscious)
 
mouth to mouth seems to be going out of style

JoeyA said:
The first part of your post is spot on as far as making sure that the person is breathin or not. If they are not breathing and it is confirmed by others, you can't be accused of killing them so give it your best shot.

HOWEVER, if I am not mistaken, CPR training no longer includes mouth to mouth resucitation. Maybe someone can correct me if I am wrong.
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Been a year or two ago that I read an article that the older methods for reviving a drowned person and getting the water out of their lungs were better than mouth to mouth.

A side note, I carry rubber gloves in my vehicles. I have given first aid to bloody strangers without gloves on, didn't like it at all!

Never know when you will be first on the scene or first to act. Having a little training and a plan is never a bad idea.

Hu
 
JoeyA said:
HOWEVER, if I am not mistaken, CPR training no longer includes mouth to mouth resucitation. Maybe someone can correct me if I am wrong.
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That's correct. Check out this 6-minute video clip on Continuous Chest Compression CCC (scroll down one screen to find the video clip):
http://www.heart.arizona.edu/publiced/lifesaver.htm


In witnessed unexpected collapse in an adult (usually the result of cardiac arrest) studies have shown chest compression only without mouth-to-mouth breathing by bystanders is the preferred approach.* Follow these instructions to perform Continuous Chest Compression (CCC) resuscitation:

Shake the person and shout, “Are you OK?” If the person is unresponsive and not breathing, or breathing abnormally (struggling to breathe, gasping or snoring), direct someone to call 9-1-1 or make the call yourself.

Position the victim on the floor on his or her back. Place the heel of one hand on top of the other and place the heel of the bottom hand on the center of the victim’s chest (usually between the nipples). Lock your elbows and begin forceful chest compressions at a rate of 100 per minute. After each chest compression make sure you lift the heel of the hand completely off of the chest.

If an AED (heart with lightening flash symbol) is available, turn the unit on and follow the voice instructions. If no AED (automated external defibrillator) is available, perform continuous chest compressions until the paramedics arrive. Continuous chest compressions is physically tiring so if someone else is available, take turns changing partners after each 100 chest compressions.

*In suspected drowning or drug overdose, follow standard CPR procedures (alternate 30 chest compressions with two mouth-to-mouth breaths)​
 
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