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I believe that you are correct about the 5/16x18. I am not very familiar with this kind of stuff so I have to ask. Why the head scratching about the brass insert? Also, It appears that it was made for a piloted shaft. Can you take a guess at what maker shafts would fit well? Thanks again.
Dan
Dan
It's just weird to see a pin set inside a insert of a butt, the cue probably used to have its pin on the shaft, and someone converted it. I've seen some snooker cue butts that were converted the same way. Works just fine, nothing wrong with it. You could just have someone cut a pilot onto the shaft you have, or leave it the way it is. I've played with several this way, they play fine without the pilot on the shaft.
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It's different, but I wouldn't say hack. Looks like a cue somebody built while still learning. The insert in the butt was likely intended to help ensure the pin went in center, and/or ensure the pilot on the shaft fit into the butt center. Even if the pin is not center in the butt, it is center in the insert, which means the insert on the shaft will fit clean. If there was no insert in the butt and then pin was off center, then the piloted insert on the shaft wouldn't fit well into the butt. So to me, it seems like a clever way of ensuring the piloted joint fit together correctly. It also tells me that in order to add the extra step, the builder (at the time) was not confident that he could get the pin centered. But at least he did find a way to correct the problem, or at least gave the effort.
Guessing by the phenolic color, the cue is 10 years or older. Just a guess. That phenolic isn't readily available & hasn't been for a long time. Again, seeing that the insert appears to be a solution to a problem, I would say it was done by a hack, but rather likely by somebody learning. Hacks either don't notice or don't care about quality. This guy obviously does/did. I'd be curious to know who built it.
edit: If you want shafts, try Ryan at Meullers. He can make a shaft for it....though i'd be hard pressed to think of anybody that still has phenolic that will match that cue. That was the good stuff. Not like that anymore.
Guessing by the phenolic color, the cue is 10 years or older. Just a guess. That phenolic isn't readily available & hasn't been for a long time. Again, seeing that the insert appears to be a solution to a problem, I would say it was done by a hack, but rather likely by somebody learning. Hacks either don't notice or don't care about quality. This guy obviously does/did. I'd be curious to know who built it.
edit: If you want shafts, try Ryan at Meullers. He can make a shaft for it....though i'd be hard pressed to think of anybody that still has phenolic that will match that cue. That was the good stuff. Not like that anymore.
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Its a shame because that is some great looking material.
If offered today, it would be difficult to keep in stock.
If offered today, it would be difficult to keep in stock.
Irony at its best. I just gave a bit of a harsh review on a cue of yours I hit with for a few racks no more than 10 minutes ago. I liked the materials and build quality, just not the feel. Anyways, thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge. It is an old jump/break from German cuemaker Oliver Stops. Here is a thread with more info on him than I can divulge:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=108012
If you guys want to see the cue let me know and I will throw up some pics.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=108012
If you guys want to see the cue let me know and I will throw up some pics.
What's the irony? Me being helpful & nice when everybody was bashing your cue, or you bashing a cue that wasn't even built for you?
From your picture it's hard to tell if that is just discolored maple or brass. If it is brass the Qmaker may have been trying to add weight, to the front end ofthe butt...JER
Good eye, Jerry.
edit: I also just noticed that the shaft doesn't have a piloted insert. Seems a bit odd.
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Nothing personal, I just didn't like the way the cue played. I am entitled to an opinion on things. That being said, I apologize for writing it now because you are upset and that was not my intention.
I cleaned out the area with an old toothbrush and it is definitely a metal insert from the shine it gives off in light. Thanks for your 2¢.
I'm not upset, and no need to apologize. I don't expect everyone, or anyone for the matter, to like my cues. It's nice when they do, but I know they aren't for everyone. You not liking my cue doesn't bother me. We're all different & as such, so should the cues we use.
It's curiosity more than anything, trying to figure out why you were so compelled to be that negative about something you had such limited experience with & wasn't even built for you. Nothing to gain from the negativity. Again, i'm not upset, seriously. And yes, you have every right to an opinion. I hate black liquorice, can't stand it & only tasted it once before spitting it out. My father loves it, and doesn't like red liquorice. I like the red. It is what it is, no hurt feelings.
You may be correct but I if that were the case and some one converted it there would be no reason to leave the insert in the butt. Some famous cue makers used inserts in similar to this either in the cues butt end, or at the cues joint. One of the ways to identify an original Balabushka is to remove the cue bumper and weight bolt. George used a brass insert in the cues butt for the weight bolt to screw into. Burton Spain and Eddie Laub both use to put their pins in the cues shaft and a brass insert in the cues forearm for the pin to screw into.
I don't have a clue who made this converted or made this cue using this design. But there is nothing wrong with it at all, however, I wonder what they used as an adhesive to bond metal to metal. I know that most do not see things like I do, but I would like to either have the cue X-rayed or disassemble it. Since I build cues I am always interested in different techniques used to build them, I think no matter how long you build cues there is always something new you can learn.
I didn't see anything that wasn't wear & tear common of age. I will have to look closer at the pics. I didn't even initially notice that the butt is piloted, but the shaft is not.