Wrap channel cut too deep. What can I do?

Maniac

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Hello. I have a Joel Dadivas cue that I didn't like the leather wrap on. The seam was unsightly and the leather was showing signs of discoloration on each end. I took the cue to a local repairman to have a linen wrap put on it. He did a good job on it with what he had to work with, but he said that the wrap channel was cut to deeply and so a single layer of wrap left the edges of both the buttsleeve and the ring (at position C) with sharp edges. He said another layer of wrap would make the wrap too high. I took it home as it was and am not very pleased with the outcome (through no fault of the repair guy).

Is there something that can be done with this cue to get a decent wrap that fits flush with the ring and buttsleeve?

My thinking is that maybe a stacked leather wrap could be wound on to a thickness that would be suitable for this cue. Stacked leather was my original thinking anyway. I wish now that I would have just been more patient and gotten more info on the subject. Live and learn, I guess.

Cuemakers, any suggestions?

Thanks for anything you offer!!!

Maniac
 
Maniac said:
Hello. I have a Joel Dadivas cue that I didn't like the leather wrap on. The seam was unsightly and the leather was showing signs of discoloration on each end. I took the cue to a local repairman to have a linen wrap put on it. He did a good job on it with what he had to work with, but he said that the wrap channel was cut to deeply and so a single layer of wrap left the edges of both the buttsleeve and the ring (at position C) with sharp edges. He said another layer of wrap would make the wrap too high. I took it home as it was and am not very pleased with the outcome (through no fault of the repair guy).

Is there something that can be done with this cue to get a decent wrap that fits flush with the ring and buttsleeve?

My thinking is that maybe a stacked leather wrap could be wound on to a thickness that would be suitable for this cue. Stacked leather was my original thinking anyway. I wish now that I would have just been more patient and gotten more info on the subject. Live and learn, I guess.

Cuemakers, any suggestions?

Thanks for anything you offer!!!

Maniac
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Sorry my brother but the first thing you should do is find a new cue repairman. In some cases when you go from Leather to Linen there is a difference in depth of the groove. When this happens the groove can be filled with epoxy to the proper depth and then sanded smooth for a new linen wrap. In no case would I ever recommend putting another layer of linen on top a layer of linen your only asking for trouble, I have fixed cues that had this done. The proper depth should be very close to .025 thousands for a linen wrap.

Find a different repair person this should not be a big problem to fix correctly.
 
I agree with Craig
Either build the edges up with epoxy or if it's very slight, I've even used a wrap or two of painters tape.
I don't see how two layers of linen could even be installed?
 
Veneer stock is my suggestion, then re-cut the channel to match the cue and be done with it.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=264142

Deep channels have become a real issue today, Lots of people messing with cues. For the new style Predators coming over with rubber, and some leather on it, the channel is ridiculously deep. I have seen quite a few cues with that stacked wrap on it, also cut way to deep. Proceed with caution.
 
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Michael Webb said:
Veneer stock is my suggestion, then re-cut the channel to match the cue and be done with it.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=264142

Deep channels have become a real issue today, Lots of people messing with cues. For the new style Predators coming over with rubber, and some leather on it, the channel is ridiculously deep. I have seen quite a few cues with that stacked wrap on it, also cut way to deep. Proceed with caution.
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You're assuming the cue will turn true between centers. :D
 
Maniac said:
Hello. I have a Joel Dadivas cue that I didn't like the leather wrap on. The seam was unsightly and the leather was showing signs of discoloration on each end. I took the cue to a local repairman to have a linen wrap put on it. He did a good job on it with what he had to work with, but he said that the wrap channel was cut to deeply and so a single layer of wrap left the edges of both the buttsleeve and the ring (at position C) with sharp edges. He said another layer of wrap would make the wrap too high. I took it home as it was and am not very pleased with the outcome (through no fault of the repair guy).

Is there something that can be done with this cue to get a decent wrap that fits flush with the ring and buttsleeve?

My thinking is that maybe a stacked leather wrap could be wound on to a thickness that would be suitable for this cue. Stacked leather was my original thinking anyway. I wish now that I would have just been more patient and gotten more info on the subject. Live and learn, I guess.

Cuemakers, any suggestions?

Thanks for anything you offer!!!

Maniac
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Stacked is your best answer - the leather is mucho thick and should fill
your overdeep channel plus some. Stacked wraps are sanded down to
fit flush to the cue anyway. Presto fixo.

A cork wrap could be done in a similar fashion - likely much cheaper.

Dale
 
Stacked leather is a viable option but what if that wasn't your original intent?
What if you want to go to linen or traditional leather?
In that case, I strongly recommend that you learn the wood-veneer method.
Mike shared this concept with me a year or two ago and I've been using it with great success ever since.
You want linen on an IKON? No problem. Traditional 1pc leather? Again, no problem.
Thanx Mike, I'm in your debt.

KJ
 
IMHO this is the correct answer

manwon said:
Sorry my brother but the first thing you should do is find a new cue repairman. In some cases when you go from Leather to Linen there is a difference in depth of the groove. When this happens the groove can be filled with epoxy to the proper depth and then sanded smooth for a new linen wrap. In no case would I ever recommend putting another layer of linen on top a layer of linen your only asking for trouble, I have fixed cues that had this done. The proper depth should be very close to .025 thousands for a linen wrap.

Find a different repair person this should not be a big problem to fix correctly.
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I agree completely! :thumbup:
 
Michael Webb said:
Veneer stock is my suggestion, then re-cut the channel to match the cue and be done with it.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=264142

Deep channels have become a real issue today, Lots of people messing with cues. For the new style Predators coming over with rubber, and some leather on it, the channel is ridiculously deep. I have seen quite a few cues with that stacked wrap on it, also cut way to deep. Proceed with caution.
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Michael is the man on wraps! When changing from leather to linen, or vice versa the wrap channel is almost never perfect.
 
KJ Cues said:
Stacked leather is a viable option but what if that wasn't your original intent?
What if you want to go to linen or traditional leather?
In that case, I strongly recommend that you learn the wood-veneer method.
Mike shared this concept with me a year or two ago and I've been using it with great success ever since.
You want linen on an IKON? No problem. Traditional 1pc leather? Again, no problem.
Thanx Mike, I'm in your debt.

KJ
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Hi KJ,
There are a few of us who understand the bigger picture in cues, especially as far as repairing them correctly. You are a fine craftsman that has always offered help when I was stumped. I'm proud to call a friend.
 
Michael Webb said:
Hi KJ,
There are a few of us who understand the bigger picture in cues, especially as far as repairing them correctly. You are a fine craftsman that has always offered help when I was stumped. I'm proud to call a friend.
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Get a room you two:)

Michael, have you done much with stacked wraps. Are they a ton more
time/work to install. They seemed to be a hot item, then kinda faded
into obscurity.

The OP did say stacked was his first thought.

Dale
 
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pdcue said:
Get a room you two:)

Michael, have you done much with stacked wraps. Are they a ton more
time/work to install. They seemed to be a hot item, then kinda faded
into obscurity.

The OP did say stacked was his first thought.

Dale
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Yes, a stacked leather wrap was my original plan. I need to make it known here that I am not a cue builder/repairman and will get the wrap done by someone who is more competent than the last guy I used. I mostly wanted to know if a stacked leather wrap can be put into the deeper-than-normal channel and be done so that the wrap is level with (or at worst a teeny bit taller than) the forearm ring and buttsleeve. The channel is not grotesquely deep. It is just deep enough that the linen wrap that I had put on does not fit flush with the forearm and buttsleeve (a tad lower).

Maniac
 
pdcue said:
Get a room you two:)

Michael, have you done much with stacked wraps. Are they a ton more
time/work to install. They seemed to be a hot item, then kinda faded
into obscurity.

The OP did say stacked was his first thought.

Dale
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Hi Dale
I don't know anything about stacked wraps other than, every cue I have changed back to linen or leather, the channel is cut to deep. I don't offer stacked and guarantee, I never will. Just my choice.
 
I have an old Huebler custom with a linen wrap that I wish was wrapless.
What about replacing linen with a wood veneer?
 
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