Do you see anything wrong with giving credit to great players before they leave us?

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Why wait until they are gone and then talk about them! While they are still here they can enjoy what you say and write about them. I guess this does not matter to some people!!! This is why I write about great pool players while they are alive. I believe in doing much as I can for relatives, friends, and people that I care about before they leave us. What do you think about this?
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.
 
talking about them is one thing . . .

Lock N Load said:
Why wait until they are gone and then talk about them! While they are still here they can enjoy what you say and write about them. I guess this does not matter to some people!!! This is why I write about great pool players while they are alive. I believe in doing much as I can for relatives, friends, and people that I care about before they leave us. What do you think about this?
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.
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Talking good about them is one thing but never ever give great pool players credit! They didn't become great pool players without learning to be great bite artists too! :D

Hu
 
Lock N Load said:
Why wait until they are gone and then talk about them! While they are still here they can enjoy what you say and write about them. I guess this does not matter to some people!!! This is why I write about great pool players while they are alive. I believe in doing much as I can for relatives, friends, and people that I care about before they leave us. What do you think about this?
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.
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You need to be a pool industry darling -- IOW, dance like a monkey for them -- to receive recognition in today's pool world. If a pool player grows old and can't run a rack, there is a growing sentiment that they're no better than "scum of the earth." As an example, I was sickened when a so-called "pool industry member" stated that American pool is better off without the older generation of pool players.

Industry supports industry, and the American pro player is a pariah in the eyes of some industry members, unless those pros dance like a monkey for crumbs. As long as the American pro can make money for the industry member, that's okay, but when they try to eke out a living for themselves, they're labeled as greedy, should go out and get a real job, and they don't deserve a break.
 
JAM said:
You need to be a pool industry darling -- IOW, dance like a monkey for them -- to receive recognition in today's pool world. If a pool player grows old and can't run a rack, there is a growing sentiment that they're no better than "scum of the earth." As an example, I was sickened when a so-called "pool industry member" stated that American pool is better off without the older generation of pool players.

Industry supports industry, and the American pro player is a pariah in the eyes of some industry members, unless those pros dance like a monkey for crumbs. As long as the American pro can make money for the industry member, that's okay, but when they try to eke out a living for themselves, they're labeled as greedy, should go out and get a real job, and they don't deserve a break.
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Jam,

How is a professional pool player dancing like a monkey at their job any different from you dancing like a monkey at your own job? :)
 
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But you're still dancing like a monkey, nevertheless. :smile:
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Well, please allow me to clarify. The difference is I don't have to dance like a monkey for the masses and hope the masses throw me a bone. I work for a decent wage. Pro players, in the scheme of things, are on the bottom of the totem pole in the pool industry when it comes to income.

They can get out there and perform, though, and get paid. Some people do appreciate the pro players putting on an exhibition or giving lessons, as an example, and they will get paid for their services. I don't see anything wrong with that.

When a pro player is offered, as an example, 20 percent by a so-called "stakehorse" or industry member to play pool, I call this dancing like a monkey. I think 20 percent sucks.

Now, you can come back and say, gee, the industry member or stakehorse is taking all the risk, and that's true, but without the pro player dancing like a monkey, the show can't go on. Industry should help struggling pro players and not throw them a bone without much meat on it .

Back to the topic of the thread, there are a few of us who do give credit to the great players of times gone by, and I am one of them. I may be in the minority, but that's okay. I usually am with my views about pool-related matters. :smile:
 
JAM said:
I am getting paid more than crumbs to dance.
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I know I shouldn't laugh but everytime you mention "Dance like a Monkey" I always see Derek Zoolander doing this....


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I may be mistaken but I think the full quote is "dancing like monkeys on a string".

That seems to be the real issue. Pro pool players have to perform for whatever they are offered because it is better than nothing. Justin, Chad, Mark, and TAR feel like they are offering pro pool players a nice deal with their new format. I agree with them compared to what a pro is doing most weekends but that just illustrates how little pro pool has to offer.

With tournament formats there might be twenty players that can win one of the larger pro events. There aren't twenty major men's events in the US a year. Most of the time the pickings are getting pretty lean below the top four, almost always below the top eight or so. Most players have to be using a backer too. That indeed leaves very little meat on the bone or crumbs on the floor. I guess we should be talking about bananas since we are talking monkeys, about all the pro monkey is left with after expenses is the peel much of the time!

Their choice to try to play pool for a living but it bites when being one of the top twenty players in the nation means you will likely be living hand to mouth.

Hu
 
ShootingArts said:
I may be mistaken but I think the full quote is "dancing like monkeys on a string".

That seems to be the real issue. Pro pool players have to perform for whatever they are offered because it is better than nothing. Justin, Chad, Mark, and TAR feel like they are offering pro pool players a nice deal with their new format. I agree with them compared to what a pro is doing most weekends but that just illustrates how little pro pool has to offer.

With tournament formats there might be twenty players that can win one of the larger pro events. There aren't twenty major men's events in the US a year. Most of the time the pickings are getting pretty lean below the top four, almost always below the top eight or so. Most players have to be using a backer too. That indeed leaves very little meat on the bone or crumbs on the floor. I guess we should be talking about bananas since we are talking monkeys, about all the pro monkey is left with after expenses is the peel much of the time!

Their choice to try to play pool for a living but it bites when being one of the top twenty players in the nation means you will likely be living hand to mouth.

Hu
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You have put my thoughts into words better than I did. Tap, tap, tap!
 
Formal recognition while they are still with us is appropriate, and a wonderful thing when it happens. It is always sad when it is posthumous.

But that recognition should be well earned. Many newer/younger players look at a current crop of players and see "greatness" (I am not naming names). IMHO they often haven't earned it yet, regardless of a great record or their current popularity.

Because of the nature of such recognition and the nature of what it really recognizes it often comes late in life, hence the frequency of posthumous recognition. One does not earn such a thing in ten or twenty years.

Occasionally a young buck will beat an old timer of great reputation and standing, even historical significance, and there is some big to-do about it, as if he might have surpassed the older player. IMHO he can win the match, but to touch the great player's level of greatness will take a lifetime, so it isn't threatened at all. The young buck should get the accolades he deserves for the match, but he has many years ahead to support that achievement and earn the greatness of the man he beat that day.

By all means recognize people's achievements. Write about it. Talk about it. Create new legends and new heroes.
 
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Lock N Load said:
Why wait until they are gone and then talk about them! While they are still here they can enjoy what you say and write about them. I guess this does not matter to some people!!! This is why I write about great pool players while they are alive. I believe in doing much as I can for relatives, friends, and people that I care about before they leave us. What do you think about this?
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.
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In case you haven't noticed, there is plenty of this already on AZ.
 
Bluesman

Lock N Load said:
Why wait until they are gone and then talk about them! While they are still here they can enjoy what you say and write about them. I guess this does not matter to some people!!! This is why I write about great pool players while they are alive. I believe in doing much as I can for relatives, friends, and people that I care about before they leave us. What do you think about this?
Many Regards,
Lock N Load.
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It is the nature of of humanity...........

It is the birth of the blues.......................


"A prophet / master is never honored in his/her hometown,"


Well Gentlemen and Ladies, you have another on the bubble.

Prepare yourselves, to sing the oldest line in the Blues:

"You don't miss your water"

" Till your well runs dry."

foolish Humans.
 
JAM said:
Well, please allow me to clarify. The difference is I don't have to dance like a monkey for the masses and hope the masses throw me a bone. I work for a decent wage. Pro players, in the scheme of things, are on the bottom of the totem pole in the pool industry when it comes to income.

They can get out there and perform, though, and get paid. Some people do appreciate the pro players putting on an exhibition or giving lessons, as an example, and they will get paid for their services. I don't see anything wrong with that.

When a pro player is offered, as an example, 20 percent by a so-called "stakehorse" or industry member to play pool, I call this dancing like a monkey. I think 20 percent sucks.

Now, you can come back and say, gee, the industry member or stakehorse is taking all the risk, and that's true, but without the pro player dancing like a monkey, the show can't go on. Industry should help struggling pro players and not throw them a bone without much meat on it .

Back to the topic of the thread, there are a few of us who do give credit to the great players of times gone by, and I am one of them. I may be in the minority, but that's okay. I usually am with my views about pool-related matters. :smile:
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Your "Danicing Monkey" Analogy is getting old, Jam. You use it in every thread I read. Pool players are broke because there has never been any real money in playing tournament pool. There has never been any money in tournament pool because there has never been any "masses" watching it.
If it's a problem for you when a "stakehorse" only offers you 20% to play, play on your own money. That way, you can win (or lose) all of it. I know that would limit your options as far as dumping your backer for a guaranteed score, but if you win, you could blow an extra 80% on the ponies.
 
CharlesUFarley said:
Your "Danicing Monkey" Analogy is getting old, Jam. You use it in every thread I read. Pool players are broke because there has never been any real money in playing tournament pool. There has never been any money in tournament pool because there has never been any "masses" watching it.
If it's a problem for you when a "stakehorse" only offers you 20% to play, play on your own money. That way, you can win (or lose) all of it. I know that would limit your options as far as dumping your backer for a guaranteed score, but if you win, you could blow an extra 80% on the ponies.
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Wow!! when did she piss in your Wheaties??:rolleyes:
 
thommy said:
Wow!! when did she piss in your Wheaties??:rolleyes:
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SHe never pissed in my Wheaties, but she has used the dancing monkey phrase about a million times in a thousand different threads on here. She seems to think that pool owes her and Keith something. The brutal truth is that Pool players have always known that there is no financial future in pool, yet they grind out a daily existence because in all honesty, it is more fun and glamorous that getting a job.

If a player chooses to spend his or her life that way, that's fine...but don't spend your golden years *****ing because you're broke and nobody wants to take care of you when you can't compete any more...You made that bed...Now F'n lie there and shut up! the rest of us have to get up in the morning and go to work,
 
CharlesUFarley said:
SHe never pissed in my Wheaties, but she has used the dancing monkey phrase about a million times in a thousand different threads on here. She seems to think that pool owes her and Keith something. The brutal truth is that Pool players have always known that there is no financial future in pool, yet they grind out a daily existence because in all honesty, it is more fun and glamorous that getting a job.

If a player chooses to spend his or her life that way, that's fine...but don't spend your golden years *****ing because you're broke and nobody wants to take care of you when you can't compete any more...You made that bed...Now F'n lie there and shut up! the rest of us have to get up in the morning and go to work,
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So, I'm just guessing here, you are a frustrated wannabe? or are you just a miserable sob by nature?

just askin:grin:
 
thommy said:
So, I'm just guessing here, you are a frustrated wannabe? or are you just a miserable sob by nature?

just askin:grin:
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Wannabe what? Pro Pool Player? No thanks, I have a very lucrative paper route. I couldn't afford the pay cut.

How about I just get sick of people whining about their shi*tty circumstances when they put themselves there.

There has never been a pot of gold at the end of a pool career, so if you're going to spend your life playing pool, just accept that there's a 99.9% chance you are going to die flat broke. Don't ***** about it.
 
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