Pinoy's still the cream of the crop

Pro Pinoy's Play very respectfully....On the other hand, "everyday" Pinoys are not so respectful.. The Pro's are best the country has to offer on their best behaviour.

Just today I felt compelled to "remind" 3 Pinoys playing pool in my hall, that smoking and drinking at the table is never Okay. It's a calculated risk. You never know what Red Horse drunk Pinoy will stick a knife in ya, over something completey stupid. They ain't got noting to lose.
I read it in the local newspapers daily. Some guy is stabbed to death by his best friend over a game of tongits???? A card game kinda of like rummy, EVERYONE plays it, including me.
I've been here about 12 years. When I first moved here, In Angeles City, I had one question for an "Old PI Hand" who had lived here 24 years at that time both on active duty and retired as a Hotel/Bar/Restaruant owner, a BIG WHEEL in AC, good friend with the Mayor, Part of the Tourist Police board of directors... still is...I asked him, "Cliff" what one peace of advice would you give someone just moving here. He said without hesitation..."never, ever trust a Filipino Man."
 
sfleinen said:
Smokin' P.O.T.

(A smokin' post of the thread!) I agree, the Pinoys are such a peoples, that it's hard not to like 'em, and/or not to root for 'em.

I first met Pinoys in the U.S. Navy in the early 1980s, and even as American as I am, I found myself really likin' these folks. You know you have just "that connection" with a certain people when you get invited to have dinner with their families, which I did.

These days, I try to buy American whenever I can, but at the same time, with a focus on quality, making a deviation whenever a product really impresses the h*ll out of me. Vehicle-wise, I own a Chrysler product, as well as a Kia product (South Korean). In handtools, I buy American almost exclusively -- Klein Tools, ChannelLock, EstWing, Snap-On, etc.

However, when it comes to *peoples*, I couldn't care less where they're from. I enjoy and revel in the fact that I have friends from all over the world. Sure, it'd be nice to have an American champion, but hey mf'ers, they (the American pros/players) have to *earn* it. Just "being American" doesn't grant an automatic ticket into greatness.

-Sean
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Well said sir!
 
Pangit said:
Pro Pinoy's Play very respectfully....On the other hand, "everyday" Pinoys are not so respectful.. The Pro's are best the country has to offer on their best behaviour.

Just today I felt compelled to "remind" 3 Pinoys playing pool in my hall, that smoking and drinking at the table is never Okay. It's a calculated risk. You never know what Red Horse drunk Pinoy will stick a knife in ya, over something completey stupid. They ain't got noting to lose.
I read it in the local newspapers daily. Some guy is stabbed to death by his best friend over a game of tongits???? A card game kinda of like rummy, EVERYONE plays it, including me.
I've been here about 12 years. When I first moved here, In Angeles City, I had one question for an "Old PI Hand" who had lived here 24 years at that time both on active duty and retired as a Hotel/Bar/Restaruant owner, a BIG WHEEL in AC, good friend with the Mayor, Part of the Tourist Police board of directors... still is...I asked him, "Cliff" what one peace of advice would you give someone just moving here. He said without hesitation..."never, ever trust a Filipino Man."
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if you dont like it here why are you still here? go back to wherever you came from. shooo we dont like you here too :grin:
 
I think the PI is the only country that could pick a team of 20 TOP tier players. I believe pool is in their DNA when their born. Johnnyt
 
chambalero said:
ok i'll bite. please enumerate the top 20 players of taiwan :cool:
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Wu Chia Ching
Yang Ching Shun
Kuo Po Cheng
Ko Pin Yi
Ko Pin Chung
Chang Yu Lung
Chang Jung Lin
Fu Che-Wei
Chao Fong Pang
Wang Hung-Hsiang
Liu Cheng-Jyeh
Lu Hui-Chan
Lo Li Wen
and some others that i forget the name of :rolleyes:
 
so probably not 20, taiwan players come and go too fast :( i could include 10 other top tier players that stopped playing in the late 2000s
 
I think both the Phillippines and Taiwan would have to reach into their second and maybe third tiers to fill out the last 10 to 15 spots of a 20 player roster, but they would be the only really competitive teams if you had a world team competition. Both countries also have the problem of their top players moving to other countries, so even they might have a difficult time filling a roster of only top players.
 
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Masayoshi said:
I think both the Phillippines and Taiwan would have to reach into their second and maybe third tiers to fill out the last 10 to 15 spots of a 20 player roster, but they would be the only really competitive teams if you had a world team competition.
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for sure. but i definitely give the edge to the philippines, strong players who have a lot of heart - cant say the same about the Taiwanese players. i just find it interesting. both countries produce strong players and are neighbors, but the way the talents are produced are so different.
 
Still the cream of the crop, huh?

If a one-two-three finish is all it takes to be proclaimed the cream of the crop in a discipline, we must similarly conclude that the US is the cream of the nine ball crop. At Derby City, the last major nine ball event with a truly international field, and an event in which Orcullo, Alex, Busty, Vann Cortezza, and Kiamco all played, Shane Van Boening was first, Stevie Moore was second, and Mike Dechaine was third.

Look forward to your next thread which will surely be titled "US still the cream of the nine ball crop."
 
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Wu Chia Ching
Yang Ching Shun
Kuo Po Cheng
Ko Pin Yi
Ko Pin Chung
Chang Yu Lung
Chang Jung Lin
Fu Che-Wei
Chao Fong Pang
Wang Hung-Hsiang
Liu Cheng-Jyeh
Lu Hui-Chan
Lo Li Wen
and some others that i forget the name of :rolleyes:
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Ko Pin Yi has a little brother about 15 who is going to be better than all of them - MAYBE??? If he sticks with it anyway. :smile:
 
Here's a list I compiled of 25 Filipino pool players. Could Taiwan equal this lineup? Could the US match this list at any point in history (in the rotation games, let's say)?

Jay -- I think you have said that the Filipinos kind of have their own ranking system, by tiers or some word like that. Would the current top tier be Alcano, Bustamante (F.), Vann Corteza, Orcollo, Pagulayan, and Reyes? Who is in the second tier? I'm sure that when you get beyond the first or second tier it becomes difficult to say who should be ranked where. Are there any other Filipinos who should be on a list of "top 25 Filipino pool players" instead of the guys I listed? It has been said that the country has many top-notch players we've never heard of over here.

Joven Alba
Ronnie Alcano
Leonardo Andam
Carlo Biado
Joven Bustamante

Francisco Bustamante
Elvis Calasang
Lee Vann Corteza
Raymond Faraon
Antonio Gabica

Ramil Gallego
Roberto Gomez
Warren Kiamco
Antonio Lining
John Michael Lopez

Rudolfo Luat
Jeff de Luna
Marlon Manalo
Jundel Mazon
Dennis Orcollo

Alex Pagulayan
Jose Parica
Jherome Pena
Efren Reyes
Santos Sambajon
 
AtLarge said:
Here's a list I compiled of 25 Filipino pool players. Could Taiwan equal this lineup? Could the US match this list at any point in history (in the rotation games, let's say)?

Jay -- I think you have said that the Filipinos kind of have their own ranking system, by tiers or some word like that. Would the current top tier be Alcano, Bustamante (F.), Vann Corteza, Orcollo, Pagulayan, and Reyes? Who is in the second tier? I'm sure that when you get beyond the first or second tier it becomes difficult to say who should be ranked where. Are there any other Filipinos who should be on a list of "top 25 Filipino pool players" instead of the guys I listed? It has been said that the country has many top-notch players we've never heard of over here.

Joven Alba
Ronnie Alcano
Leonardo Andam
Carlo Biado
Joven Bustamante

Francisco Bustamante
Elvis Calasang
Lee Vann Corteza
Raymond Faraon
Antonio Gabica

Ramil Gallego
Roberto Gomez
Warren Kiamco
Antonio Lining
John Michael Lopez

Rudolfo Luat
Jeff de Luna
Marlon Manalo
Jundel Mazon
Dennis Orcollo

Alex Pagulayan
Jose Parica
Jherome Pena
Efren Reyes
Santos Sambajon
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There must be 50 good filipino players right here in this country. Ramon Mistica is here with Dennis now. Just another 50 year old straight shooter! :smile:
P.S. You left Edgar Acaba off your list. I could probably think of a few more like David Renemar, a young champion!
 
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AtLarge said:
Here's a list I compiled of 25 Filipino pool players. Could Taiwan equal this lineup? Could the US match this list at any point in history (in the rotation games, let's say)?

Jay -- I think you have said that the Filipinos kind of have their own ranking system, by tiers or some word like that. Would the current top tier be Alcano, Bustamante (F.), Vann Corteza, Orcollo, Pagulayan, and Reyes? Who is in the second tier? I'm sure that when you get beyond the first or second tier it becomes difficult to say who should be ranked where. Are there any other Filipinos who should be on a list of "top 25 Filipino pool players" instead of the guys I listed? It has been said that the country has many top-notch players we've never heard of over here.

Joven Alba
Ronnie Alcano
Leonardo Andam
Carlo Biado
Joven Bustamante

Francisco Bustamante
Elvis Calasang
Lee Vann Corteza
Raymond Faraon
Antonio Gabica

Ramil Gallego
Roberto Gomez
Warren Kiamco
Antonio Lining
John Michael Lopez

Rudolfo Luat
Jeff de Luna
Marlon Manalo
Jundel Mazon
Dennis Orcollo

Alex Pagulayan
Jose Parica
Jherome Pena
Efren Reyes
Santos Sambajon
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I would guess that the Taiwanese could probably put up a similar line-up. Both teams would essentially have 5-10 top players and the rest 2nd or 3rd tier players.

Players like Yang Chin Shun don't often just pop up out of nowhere. Its essentially a numbers game. For every 1 Yang level player, there are probably 5 guys just a notch under him biting at his heels. Because both Taiwan and the Phillipines have a half dozen top players, you can be assured that they both have a few dozen guys that are right under them.
 
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Masayoshi said:
I would guess that the Taiwanese could probably put up a similar line-up. Both teams would essentially have 5-10 top players and the rest 2nd or 3rd tier players.

Players like Yang Chin Shun don't often just pop out of nowhere. Its essentially a numbers game. For every 1 Yang level player, there are probably 5 guys just a notch under him biting at his heels. Because both Taiwan and the Phillipines have a half dozen top players, you can be assured that they both have a few dozen guys that are right under them.
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Yang Ching Shun is a prodigy, but he doesnt play much anymore. He would be on the bottom of the top 10 list for sure. Maybe 5 years ago you can include more players on the list.. such as Hsia Hui Kai, Chang Pei Wei, and Lee Kuen Fang - all were world title contenders. I still give the edge to the Pinoys though, they are just more seasoned as players in general. Taiwanese players gets way too comfortable at home.
 
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