AZ member screwed by Bill Stroud of Josswest

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SpiderWebComm said:
Coming up on nearly 2 years. He stated just before the contest that nearly any cue could be built within 2-4 weeks - if the cuemaker wishes.

The DYD isn't the only issue-- others have come forward saying they had to physically get deposts/payments back from the man because he MIA'd with their money.

I'm suuuuuuuuure Bill's actions are totally within reason and the entire community here is lynching him for no reason, unfairly.:rolleyes:

I personally thinks he deserves a lynching. I won't give him a free pass because of his name. If anything, I expect MORE from him. He should be an example-setter and not a flake.
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Jeez, 2 years is pretty long. I'd be pissed too, but would still like to hear Bills side of the story.
 
but would still like to hear Bills side of the story.
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See, thats the point of this thread. Its just another reminder to Bill that he is late again.

This is the second thread started as far as I know.

The first reminder thread was were Bill finally posted and made more promises. Assured the posters that he has retained enuff equipment to build the cue etc, etc.

The thread started soliciting donations is another way to cause shame to Bill. Not saying thats the sole purpose as the purpose is to get closure for the winner and get him a cue. In the mean time, AZ members chip in to pay for something that was supposed to be free to the winner and another cue maker is going to be making the Dream Cue.

What a way to end an illustrious cue making career. Once the deal is done, he will not be able to honor his false promises and forever be destined to remember this is the way it went down and to hang his head in shame, if he actually has any.
 
it could also make him realize he needs to man up and be accountable for his actions! From what i have read from the multiple threads, my opinion is he soon can be called a thief in the near future also and that is his own fault for allowing me to form an opinion of him in a bad way.
 
The flip side of the contest is mhaimi was the winner of the DYD Cue, and he has not commented on his prize won in many months.

mhaimi has been on line in the last 48 hours, but has not even posted oin AZB since early 2012. Could it be he, & Bill Stroud are in communication, and those two parties to the contest know what others are only guessing.
 
That's ridiculous. The forum knows ALL. Everyone knows that.

Ray
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CocoboloCowboy said:
The flip side of the contest is mhaimi was the winner of the DYD Cue, and he has not commented on his prize won in many months.

mhaimi has been on line in the last 48 hours, but has not even posted oin AZB since early 2012. Could it be he, & Bill Stroud are in communication, and those two parties to the contest know what others are only guessing.
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Too bad a man of Bills prominance will have this blemish on his legacy...though it will probably soon be forgotten by most
 
those two parties to the contest know what others are only guessing.
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Yes, Mhaime knows he isn't getting his cue. Bill knows Mhaime isn't getting his cue. And we are only guessing that to be correct.

Could be true, maybe not. Only one person knows 100% and he isn't saying anything.

Either way, up to the point of the first reminder or inquiry thread, Mhaime hadn't received the cue yet. That was still a long period of time of no communication between the winner and Bill. Also, a disrespectful way to treat the winner and the others that participated.

And a couple of others have since posted. One losing his full payment and not receiving a cue and the another having to collect the deposit himself.

Do you need more proof that all isn't what it seems on the outside?
And if thats not the case, no one is doing anything to disprove it.
I know if it were myself and probably many of the other members here, that if any of us were being accused of something that weren't true, we'd be doing all we could to prove it incorrect.

He who laughs last, laughs the hardest. Maybe that will happen to us and you can get a big I Told You So Boner.

Good try Duncesolo. Do you have a brother Hans? He is in outer space like you usually are.
 
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The value of his cues will go down and people can always reference this thread if Stroud is stealing designs.

This is a no-no in cue making. You shouldn't steal people's designs and to do it as deceptively as having a DYD thread.

He should be put on notice.

Anyone willing to contact cue makers association and voice their concerns?

I might email them and link them to these threads. If these accusations are true.
 
blucollar said:
Too bad a man of Bills prominance will have this blemish on his legacy...though it will probably soon be forgotten by most
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It won't be forgotten as long as there is AZ billiards and people like myself that are out to expose builders and help members and players get their cues.:smile:
 
I do not know the intentions of Bill on this matter, but I also submitted a drawing and so did my son for that contest. In all hundreds and hundreds of hours of AZ members time was spent for someone to get their dream cue. I think the winning cue would easily be worth $3000 to $5000 and that might be low for a JossWest. So here is what should probably be done in all fairness. Bill should set a date and build the cue by a certain deadline or give the winner a few thousand dollars to compensate for the cue if he is unable to build it. Or Bill could pay another top name cuemaker like Gina or Thomas Wayne to build it for him. I would hope Bill would step up and do something like that soon instead of dragging it on forever.

For those knocking the efforts of those wanting to raise money for the person to get the cue saying there are more important issues. I would respond by saying order a hamburger the next time you are tempted to order a steak and stop by the nearest homeless person you can find and give him the difference. As surely he needs a meal more than you need a steak over a hamburger. Or the next time you go to buy someone a present who really does not need anything, skip buying them that present and give it to the poor. There is almost always something more important to do than what we are doing right now. But a good deed is still a good deed even if there are other things that might be more important. Those of you who brought up the needs you feel more important than the cue. I really encourage you to give to those needs as they are on your heart. Skip the steak (so to speak) for those issues.
 
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I do know Billy has been playing a lot of pool again lately. I also know it normally takes him 2-3 years to build a new cue from scratch. I may be going out on a limb but I'm betting the cue in question WILL be made. Just call it an educated guess.
 
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I do not know the intentions of Bill on this matter, but I also submitted a drawing and so did my son for that contest. In all hundreds and hundreds of hours of AZ members time was spent for someone to get their dream cue. I think the winning cue would easily be worth $3000 to $5000 and that might be low for a JossWest. So here is what should probably be done in all fairness. Bill should set a date and build the cue by a certain deadline or give the winner a few thousand dollars to compensate for the cue if he is unable to build it.

For those knocking the efforts of those wanting to raise money for the person to get the cue saying there are more important issues. I would respond by saying order a hamburger the next time you are tempted to order a steak and stop by the nearest homeless person you can find and give him the difference. As surely he needs a meal more than you need a steak over a hamburger. Or the next time you go to buy someone a present who really does not need anything, skip buying them that present and give it to the poor. There is almost always something more important to do than what we are doing right now. But a good deed is still a good deed even if there are other things that might be more important. Those of you who brought up the needs you feel more important than the cue. I really encourage you to give to those needs as they are on your heart. Skip the steak (so to speak) for those issues.
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I, also find it ridiculous to raise money for a cue that somebody won. Not for the reasons some have mentioned, like there are other causes to raise money for.

My gripe is why raise money to have this guy's cue built. We should make it right and get a hold of Stroud for this.

Raising money and getting this guy's cue is exactly what Stround probably wants us to do.

It is his responsibility and he should build the cue.

We shouldn't raise money and make it that easy. We all should keep our money and try to get what is owed.

If a company screws me on a cue, I would like the company to pay for it or make it right. I would not want member's of AZ to have to fork out their own money to compensate a con man like Stroud.

For those donating money, they are directly and indirectly helping to cover up for Stroud's F-- up.
 
dom_poppa said:
The value of his cues will go down and people can always reference this thread if Stroud is stealing designs.

This is a no-no in cue making. You shouldn't steal people's designs and to do it as deceptively as having a DYD thread.

He should be put on notice.

Anyone willing to contact cue makers association and voice their concerns?

I might email them and link them to these threads. If these accusations are true.
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Bill is retired and won't care about the value of his cues. If you knew his personality this really wouldn't come as a shocker that he didn't follow through with this. It really was a great idea to put the contest out there though. The single hardest thing for a cue maker to do is create new and different designs for cues. The construction of the cue could be done by any of the better cuemakers. I've heard some say 'well I could have done that and as well or better'. The problem is they didn't. I've met and been around Bill many times and am not a fan.
 
dom_poppa said:
I, also find it ridiculous to raise money for a cue that somebody won. Not for the reasons some have mentioned, like there are other causes to raise money for.

My gripe is why raise money to have this guy's cue built. We should make it right and get a hold of Stroud for this.

Raising money and getting this guy's cue is exactly what Stround probably wants us to do.

It is his responsibility and he should build the cue.

We shouldn't raise money and make it that easy. We all should keep our money and try to get what is owed.

If a company screws me on a cue, I would like the company to pay for it or make it right. I would not want member's of AZ to have to fork out their own money to compensate a con man like Stroud.

For those donating money, they are directly and indirectly helping to cover up for Stroud's F-- up.
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Bill has been known to procrastinate, have zero sense of urgency and been guilty of very creative pricing, however, a con man he isn't...
 
So did this mhaimi guy give Stroud anything or what, or did he just win a contest? Did he put up money to enter this contest? And is the OP, iba, serious or what???
 
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LAlouie said:
So did this mhaimi guy give Stroud anything or what, or did he just win a contest? Did he put up money to enter this contest? And is the OP, iba, serious or what???
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mhaimi did win a cue design contest. But since no one has contacted Stroud directly to find out what the cue status is, it appears that some posters want to literally organize a lynch mob and destroy the reputation that Stroud has taken a lifetime to build. It's called frontier-style vigilantism: lynch and hang 'em, then ask questions later. :rolleyes:
 
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mhaimi did win a cue design contest. But since no one has contacted Stroud directly to find out what the cue status is, it appears that some posters want to literally organize a lynch mob and destroy the reputation that Stroud has taken a lifetime to build. It's called frontier-style vigilantism: lynch and hang 'em, then ask questions later. :rolleyes:
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Bill has admitted on his own that the cue is not being made as it should. It is a shame that people continue to defend him.
 
Contact with mhaimi

I sent a PM to mhaimi. He appreciated the offer but declined the money. I believe this to be just more showing of character from members here on AZB. I will also say that prior to this thread there was no mention, at least not that I had seen, of a couple of the other donation-worthy matters that are now on our site.

I will be donating the $80 I was sending to mhaimi to one of these causes in mhaimi's name. I urge anyone else financially able to help to do the same. I especially hope that those who chastised this thread send some money as well. If not THEN STFU.

Home invasion and attack. Link to original thread here. Thread here to benefit auction for Billiardchick7. Paypal address is scubamanda7@gmail.com.

ridewiththewind serious financial issues. Link here.
 
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