what makes the tables so fast in vegas?

poolshooter74

poolshooter74

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is it the heat?
the humidity?

i have mercury ultra on my table and even when it was new it was never as quick as the tables in vegas. i am thinking that it is the humidity in minnesota making my table play slower.

what are your thoughts?

louis
 
they don't play "so" fast. they play as quick as tables with newer cloth play. youo're probably just used to playing on beat up cloth. the springy diamond rails might be throwing you off but they don't play faster than normal for good equipment
 
I would guess good rails and Simonis 860 cloth, stretched and installed properly. I played an APA regional tournament several years ago on new Valley tables with freshly installed Simonis 860. They played beautifully.

I think the primary problems with most bar tables is that owners refuse to pay the cost of a good table mechanic and premium cloth. Plus the fact that many bangers abuse the equipment. :cool:
 
forgot to mention they were 7' valleys. maybe they had simonis, not sure of the type of cloth but they were very fast for sure. i had just assumed it was mercury ultra but maybe wrong about that. i will ask john, he helped set up all the tables.
im sure new rails would help the speed no doubt! thank you.
 
I noticed just the opposite. Playing on Diamonds in Florida(with huge humidity), I find the Valley tables at the Nationals to play much slower.
 
poolshooter74 said:
is it the heat?
the humidity?

i have mercury ultra on my table and even when it was new it was never as quick as the tables in vegas. i am thinking that it is the humidity in minnesota making my table play slower.

what are your thoughts?

louis
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Simonis cloth is generally the faster cloth, it keeps better than most other makes. Another reason for speed is polished balls. I haven't played in Vegas, but this is true anywhere.

Webb's Billiards Supply
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Webbs Billiards said:
Simonis cloth is generally the faster cloth, it keeps better than most other makes. Another reason for speed is polished balls. I haven't played in Vegas, but this is true anywhere.

Webb's Billiards Supply
sales@webbsbilliardssupply.com
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Good point about the balls. I made a ball polisher for my Brunswick Centennials. After polishing using Meguire's, the balls look great and play much faster with more English. Immediately after polishing, you have to watch out for the skid though. :cool:
 
poolshooter74 said:
forgot to mention they were 7' valleys. maybe they had simonis, not sure of the type of cloth but they were very fast for sure. i had just assumed it was mercury ultra but maybe wrong about that. i will ask john, he helped set up all the tables.
im sure new rails would help the speed no doubt! thank you.
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I don't know why it would be mercury ultra, Simonis is the cloth of. Voice for most events, so I would assume it to be Simonis.
 
They do not polish any of the balls used at the national amateur tournaments.They come with the tables, be they Diamond or Valley. There is a HUGE difference between a Valley barbox and a 7' Diamond Smart Table in how they play.

Scott Lee
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Webbs Billiards said:
Another reason for speed is polished balls. I haven't played in Vegas, but this is true anywhere.

Webb's Billiards Supply
sales@webbsbilliardssupply.com
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ive lived in Vegas over 20 years, its the dry air, i know what i'm talking about. Take the same box move it to LA for a week and it slows down. The tables slow down in Vegas when it rains(which is rare) for a couple days. Then in a couple days of single digit humidity they get fast.

Its also harder to swerve the CB in Vegas cause it slides more due to dry cloth.

the rest here is noise, its all humidity. or lack of
 
Low humidity would speed things up a bit. Air condtioning should neutralize any differences you see in ball speed.

I remember a time while playing at the Cue Club in Las Vegas where the players could actually sense a difference in ball speed when the front door was propped open. Considering how big the room is, I thought that was amazing.
 
8ballEinstein said:
Low humidity would speed things up a bit. Air condtioning should neutralize any differences you see in ball speed.

I remember a time while playing at the Cue Club in Las Vegas where the players could actually sense a difference in ball speed when the front door was propped open. Considering how big the room is, I thought that was amazing.
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good answer!
yes i would think the humidity has to have an affect on the tables. in mn the humidity is very high 70% or better most of the time. at one tournament in park rapids it was soo humid the wraps were damp from soaking up all the moisture. tables had to soak it up like the wraps did.
 
8ballEinstein said:
Low humidity would speed things up a bit. Air condtioning should neutralize any differences you see in ball speed.

I remember a time while playing at the Cue Club in Las Vegas where the players could actually sense a difference in ball speed when the front door was propped open. Considering how big the room is, I thought that was amazing.
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I don't believe a/c put much humidity into the air. Johnnyt
 
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