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TheMarsMan said:
I don't know if it would help much but I think if they played shoot what you make it might cut down on the run outs slightly.
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I agree with you John. That is the way Eight Ball should be played, especially with players of this speed. These guys are simply too good to break wide open and have their choice of balls. Why they are playing this way I don't know. Must be Shane's idea. :grin:

P.S. After all those racks run they both shot twice in the last game! Can you spell PRESSURE?
 
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Celtic said:
The reality that you need a 10-foot table with TAR cut pockets at the least is simply now self evident.

I have been pushing 8-ball but I have also always stated that is NEEDS to be played on truly tough equippment and when the 10-foot Diamonds were being built I said they would be perfect IF you also had tight pockets on them. I still stand by that.

There have been ALOT of people who have stated that a 10-foot table with the TAR pockets would simply be too tough. I would put tonight forth as evidence that such a statement is completely off base.
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Celtic, I agree. These guys are getting way too good and having an open table after the break (if you make a ball) is too soft for both of them. That's a good rule for amateurs but not for top flight pros.

The 10' tables at Tunica were an eye opener for me. The best players had to use all their weapons to win games and matches. Some of the best pool I've seen in years. I think with the best players today, the 10' diamonds will become the norm for major tournaments. And well they should be.
 
Nick B said:
Nothing is wrong. It's just at the highest levels they need a race to big numbers so it doesn't become a coin flip. It was cool to see top flight 8-ball for a change. New TAR format is great. Everyone gets their favorite flavor of crack cocaine.

Nick
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I agree with that.

Make it a race to 25 because i could watch the kind of 8 ball that was on tonight for 8hrs.
 
So these two make the toughest Diamond in existence look easy and people want it to be even tougher?????

How about 8 ball on a 6x12 snooker table with snooker sized pockets and regular pool balls then?

Can't we simply appreciate the truly astounding level of play without continuing to pile on obstacles. I am very much looking forward to the PPV. Should be a tremendous battle.
 
Wow, I hate that I missed this. I'm glad this stuff is being caught on film for future generations, but.....

TAR has GOT to start making archived footage available on demand. I would pay whatever you want to charge for access to your video library, with the ability to pause and watch it when I wanted.

I'm sure that I'm not the only one who doesn't buy TAR PPV's solely because I can't set aside two days to watch pool.
 
the420trooper said:
Wow, I hate that I missed this. I'm glad this stuff is being caught on film for future generations, but.....

TAR has GOT to start making archived footage available on demand. I would pay whatever you want to charge for access to your video library, with the ability to pause and watch it when I wanted.

I'm sure that I'm not the only one who doesn't buy TAR PPV's solely because I can't set aside two days to watch pool.
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They are working on it. Justin said a couple weeks ago that he is talking to providers to find the best fit. Personally I agree with you but since Justin started doing the replays it's helped a lot for my ability to catch the match. Doesn't help my ability to work though after spending about 20 hours watching pool all weekend.

I think it would be cool if he would leave the PPV access open for like a week after the initial broadcast. Don't know if that's possible or sensible but it would be cool.
 
jay helfert said:
The 10' tables at Tunica were an eye opener for me. The best players had to use all their weapons to win games and matches. Some of the best pool I've seen in years. I think with the best players today, the 10' diamonds will become the norm for major tournaments. And well they should be.
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Agree. The Tunica event was spectacular.

I said it before in another thread. U.S. Open 9, 10, 1pocket and Dragon 14.1 need to be on Diamond 10fters.
 
Roadie said:
So these two make the toughest Diamond in existence look easy and people want it to be even tougher?????

How about 8 ball on a 6x12 snooker table with snooker sized pockets and regular pool balls then?

Can't we simply appreciate the truly astounding level of play without continuing to pile on obstacles. I am very much looking forward to the PPV. Should be a tremendous battle.
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^^^^^ This.

I saw some of the best pool I have ever seen played yesterday. I will remember Dennis winning a flip and running eight forever.

Why would you want to make it so hard that that could never happen?

I firmly believe that if you freely gave certain people $10,000 in $50 bills they would complain that it wasn't in hundreds.
 
the420trooper said:
Wow, I hate that I missed this. I'm glad this stuff is being caught on film for future generations, but.....

TAR has GOT to start making archived footage available on demand. I would pay whatever you want to charge for access to your video library, with the ability to pause and watch it when I wanted.

I'm sure that I'm not the only one who doesn't buy TAR PPV's solely because I can't set aside two days to watch pool.
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I have been looking for a solution for two years. We have the money to pay for a site. The problem is finding a solution that actually makes sense financially and a contractor that isnt going to take the money build some half ass site and ride off into the sunset.

Everyone seems to think that this should be the easiest thing in the world to get up and running but after asking around here for a couple of years no one can introduce me to someone who can actually really do the work. Its always "Well I do something kinda sorted related to that" or "Well I built my uncle Jimmy's concrete buisness web page I can do a VOD site no problem...by the way do you know what a video codec means?"

Seriously. If anyone here knows someone who can build a video on demand monthly membership site that has ACTUALLY built one before email me their contact info at justin at theactionreport.com

No one on earth wants this capability more than me.
 
JCIN said:
^^^^^ This.

I saw some of the best pool I have ever seen played yesterday. I will remember Dennis winning a flip and running eight forever.

Why would you want to make it so hard that that could never happen?

I firmly believe that if you freely gave certain people $10,000 in $50 bills they would complain that it wasn't in hundreds.
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Oh come on now.

I think this 8 ball discussion has just been an ongoing conversation about what table setup would be ideal for the top level players. Maybe we will find out that the pros have actually been right along and the game of 8 ball is just too easy for them on any equipment.

I still think getting a taste of 8 ball is always a good thing as far as bringing in more viewers is concerned. One of the great things about pool is that there are so many different games that can be played. I think the all-around format could be great for pool. Even the longer races could be edited down to managable pieces - giving the audience a taste of all the different games. 8 ball would be a good game just to grab their attention and then you could introduce the other disciplines.

Just some random thoughts by a guy that doesn't get out much anyways.

By the way, I would like my $10,000 in nickels if it's not too much to ask.
 
Thank you TAR for putting this together. Regarding a website....I remember the ITP had a website where you could get their vidoes. I think they charged $7 - $8 a month for membership. I did it for a while. Of course the ITP went bankrupt and Trudeau is a dick....but they did have something similar to what everyone's been requesting. For a monthly membership I would want at least semi-regular new content....

Just my cents.
 
Lumocolor said:
Whats wrong with seeing guys run racks?

Why does someone have to change the equipment till pros start looking like league bangers?

Some people think tables need to get bigger until the pros can't play anymore. Maybe a 9' x 18' table would make the pros look like your every day player but what is the point in that? Why not play on a 2' x 4' table? maybe that will have enough clusterf*cks and be unrunable every rack.

I want to see guys like Shane and Orcullo run 8 packs and think "damn i can barely run 1 out of 10 racks no matter how beautifully the balls spread, these guys are awesome".

Personally i want to watch the pros run balls, as many as possible. Maybe that's why i'd rather get water boarded than watch 1 pocket.
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I was thinking something similar. I enjoy watching the game played at or near perfection. I am really sorry I missed this match. It would have been educational.

People are always saying the table needs to be bigger, or have tighter pockets, or both. But if you want to really see some tough run outs, change the shape of the table. How about having Shane and Dennis pick one of these two tables to play their next match on (or use the one in my avatar):

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Dammit... wish I would have saw this yesterday... I would have stayed home instead of going to the poolhall.
 
Coroner2 said:
Thank you TAR for putting this together. Regarding a website....I remember the ITP had a website where you could get their vidoes. I think they charged $7 - $8 a month for membership. I did it for a while. Of course the ITP went bankrupt and Trudeau is a dick....but they did have something similar to what everyone's been requesting. For a monthly membership I would want at least semi-regular new content....

Just my cents.
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A member here was involved with the IPT on that site and if memory serves they paid north of $100K for it. Thats a little out our reach at the moment. I know a solution is out there just have to find it.

As for content I have close to a thousand hours of footage some that no one has ever seen before except the people who witnessed it in person.
 
JCIN said:
^^^^^ This.

I saw some of the best pool I have ever seen played yesterday. I will remember Dennis winning a flip and running eight forever.

Why would you want to make it so hard that that could never happen?

I firmly believe that if you freely gave certain people $10,000 in $50 bills they would complain that it wasn't in hundreds.
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Ha Ha. You nailed it. And their ain't nothin' wrong with runnin' racks. Some act like it's a crime!
 
I will get the sets from yesterday up on YouTube. It probably will not be until Monday or Tuesday.
 
BasementDweller said:
Oh come on now.

I think this 8 ball discussion has just been an ongoing conversation about what table setup would be ideal for the top level players. Maybe we will find out that the pros have actually been right along and the game of 8 ball is just too easy for them on any equipment.

I still think getting a taste of 8 ball is always a good thing as far as bringing in more viewers is concerned. One of the great things about pool is that there are so many different games that can be played. I think the all-around format could be great for pool. Even the longer races could be edited down to managable pieces - giving the audience a taste of all the different games. 8 ball would be a good game just to grab their attention and then you could introduce the other disciplines.

Just some random thoughts by a guy that doesn't get out much anyways.

By the way, I would like my $10,000 in nickels if it's not too much to ask.
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I can't agree that 8 ball, or any game for that matter, is too easy for pros. The reality is that you are still playing an opponent. You don't have to beat the game, you have to beat them. If they get up and run an 8 pack, guess what? You have to respond in with superior offense or suffocating defense of your own. You've flat out got to play better than the other guy, period.

Until pros are consistently running out sets from the flip, I say don't mess with success. Even today, how many have seen even a race to 7 (of, say, 9 ball) run out from gate in any tourney? Not too often. When it does happen, everyone raves about it and it generates excitement and renewed interest in a tired sport. Why eliminate that excitement? Pool needs all it can get. The way it is going now, I'm afraid that the only pro tour we will see in the next two or three lifetimes is in a dream.
 
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Besides considering playing "take what you make", if you played alternate break, that would surely make the set a closer contest, and tighten the sphincter muscle more.

Just an idea.
 
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