I've read this thread, but my memory is not what it was (actually, it was never very good). Could you take a moment and refresh it by explaining the bolded part of your statement.
Thanks.
John Schmidt's and Corey Deuel's comments on aiming systems
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I've read this thread, but my memory is not what it was (actually, it was never very good). Could you take a moment and refresh it by explaining the bolded part of your statement.
Thanks.
I don't think more than a few here know - I'm somewhere in the B range. Can occasionally string a few racks and run out at 1 pocket. Nothing to write home about, but not a novice.
We disagree about that - it certainly helps me. And I wonder why you feel the need to slight the "science" of your own profession. Curious attitude for a teacher.
pj
chgo
Not to jump on the bandwagon, but I learned more from one reading of Koehler's Science of Pocket Billiards than I had learned in the previous 40 years of picking things up haphazardly at the pool hall... and my skill went up commensurately as I applied that knowledge at the table.
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can you give us a couple examples of what you learned and how you applied it to your game, swest?
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.how does "the science of pocket billiards help you run out specifically?"
Please explain, I have nothing against science.....how does "the science of pocket billiards help you run out specifically?"
The science I think is most important is "mental science" in playing your best....and to do this you must change your paradigm about pool
Please explain, I have nothing against science.....how does "the science of pocket billiards help you run out specifically?"
The science I think is most important is "mental science" in playing your best....and to do this you must change your paradigm about pool
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change our belief system....specifically our paradigm
It's amazing how big we can make a "target" by how we perceive to aim....however, if we already are limited in our ability to do this it's very difficult to change our belief system....specifically our paradigm....and in this case the paradigm of how a pool ball is pocketed....and ultimately how the highest level of playing is reached.....CLICK TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT YOUR MAP and how it's limiting you ThreePartPocketSystem
It's amazing how big we can make a "target" by how we perceive to aim....however, if we already are limited in our ability to do this it's very difficult to change our belief system....specifically our paradigm....and in this case the paradigm of how a pool ball is pocketed....and ultimately how the highest level of playing is reached.....CLICK TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT YOUR MAP and how it's limiting you ThreePartPocketSystem
This is not really what he said. Center pocket will probably be the result for him, but he is trying to get us to think in a different way. After we work with his method, experience will give us similar results.
CJ, can we move past 101 and further broaden our way of thinking? Your rationale for what and how you do your magic has been noted (and questioned by the usual suspects). I'm sure a bunch of lurkers are def interested to hear more! Thanks for the insight. :smile:
Joe T, good to see you posting! The stun shot you talked about is used lots by the Pinoys. I've been checking it out on You-Tube and talking to a few players about it, but haven't been able to quite figure it out. When you talked about CJ's technique and cancelling out spin, I started to rethink things...good point. Like I said, keep posting. :smile:
Best,
Mike
I'll bite.
The 30-degree rule is a rule of thumb that someone likely showed me, and followed up with, "don't worry about why it works, it just does."
Reading and understanding the theory (you know, angular momentum converting to linear momentum), and then committing the chart (I forget what page it's on) to memory, gave me the whole picture, and allowed me to apply what had previously been limited, vague and ill-defined, to a broad range of shots in a predictable way...
That's an example.
Watch Efren and Scott Frost run balls and notice how their cue ball is reacting.
I POSTED THIS EARLIER:
The point of making the pocket "a zone" with the "Three Part Pocket System" is still only half of the advantage someone has in using it. The other part is the accuracy you can develop (using a "touch" of inside) moving the cue ball around the table. The angles are more true WITHOUT outside english....and you ability to "stun/kill/hold" the cue ball is an incredible "weapon" in 9BALL, and especially in One Pocket allowing you to get behind the balls and run them more effectively. Watch Efren and Scott Frost run balls and notice how their cue ball is reacting...notice how they can "kill/stun/hold" the ball with ease. I can do it too and running 8 and Out is SO MUCH EASIER FYI To ACCOMPLISH THIS WE MUST CHANGE OUR PARADIGM 3PartPocketSystemParadigm
I POSTED THIS EARLIER:
The point of making the pocket "a zone" with the "Three Part Pocket System" is still only half of the advantage someone has in using it. The other part is the accuracy you can develop (using a "touch" of inside) moving the cue ball around the table. The angles are more true WITHOUT outside english....and you ability to "stun/kill/hold" the cue ball is an incredible "weapon" in 9BALL, and especially in One Pocket allowing you to get behind the balls and run them more effectively. Watch Efren and Scott Frost run balls and notice how their cue ball is reacting...notice how they can "kill/stun/hold" the ball with ease. I can do it too and running 8 and Out is SO MUCH EASIER FYI To ACCOMPLISH THIS WE MUST CHANGE OUR PARADIGM 3PartPocketSystemParadigm
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now is it your body/vision/cue alignment that's a touch inside or are you just doing a cue pivot to the inside with a normal center ball body/vision/cue alignment i guess you can call it?
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You have not tried anything at the table, so how are you being informative?
P.S. I could care less about the science of it. And yes, if it works it works, period.
The Three - Part Pocket System Chapter 2 - body/vision/cue positioning
Yes, to be very specific, my whole body/vision/cue alignment is a HAIR inside of center (congratulations, you are the first one to "Real Eyes" that it's not just my tip, it's my whole body that's positoned for the THREE PART POCKET SYSTEM)....there's NO PIVOT.....I do use a pivot in aligning certain types of shots like BANK SHOTS for instance...one of my strongest banking systems is a pivot system using "TIPS" to create banking angles....click logo for info on my Ultimate Pool Secrets.
Yes, to be very specific, my whole body/vision/cue alignment is a HAIR inside of center (congratulations, you are the first one to "Real Eyes" that it's not just my tip, it's my whole body that's positoned for the THREE PART POCKET SYSTEM)....there's NO PIVOT.....I do use a pivot in aligning certain types of shots like BANK SHOTS for instance...one of my strongest banking systems is a pivot system using "TIPS" to create banking angles....click logo for info on my Ultimate Pool Secrets.
CJ, this may be a little off subject but is a direct problem in my game. I have always had problems pocketing balls consistently until I started working with one of the posters here(spiderwebb) Spidey locked me in to a system that just completely changed how I perceive and pocket balls, my ball pocketing problems seem to vanish. Now with my work I cannot seem to keep my wrist out of my stroke. I guess it's tight muscles but I also know that there are high level players that weightlift. I need some kind of wrist/grip fix. After a days work I may as well stay home. Any insight would be great
Thanks in advance
Thanks in advance
Yes, to be very specific, my whole body/vision/cue alignment is a HAIR inside of center (congratulations, you are the first one to "Real Eyes" that it's not just my tip, it's my whole body that's positoned for the THREE PART POCKET SYSTEM)....there's NO PIVOT.....I do use a pivot in aligning certain types of shots like BANK SHOTS for instance...one of my strongest banking systems is a pivot system using "TIPS" to create banking angles....click logo for info on my Ultimate Pool Secrets.
Something like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd4qxOy-tJw
Dr. Dave--- you're still not understanding his technique.
He's physically aiming the ball to miss the pocket. Center english from his initial alignment results in not even hitting the hole. He's applying enough inside that with a accelerating firm stroke, the CB will squirt enough for the OB to be pocketed, as he's playing for the entire pocket.
If you aim for the center of the pocket, unless you hit a dead-true center ball hit, you're only allowing for a 1/2 pocket tolerance margin of error. If aiming for dead-center of the cue ball, one technically can miss on either side if they have the slightest of stroking errors. What CJ is saying is that if you intentionally hit on the inside, a stroking error further inside pockets the ball in the far inside edge of the pocket. A slight stroking error pockets the ball to the outside edge of the pocket. Just right is center hole.
If you ask why not just do the same for outside english and use spin versus squirt, the answer is CB control. You're always shooting with "slight hold-up" versus "a lot of go."
Spidey,
You may have misunderstood my statement. Look at it again. I know he is "aiming" away from the pocket center, but the result of the squirt (assuming it is the right amount for the particular shot distance and speed, taking into account swerve and throw effects also) is to actually "target" the pocket center (unless the shot requires pocket cheating).
Sorry, I should have been more clear by what I meant by "targeting."
Regards,
Dave
The only thing I'm missing in this video is one of those USA tux vests.
I didn't misunderstand. I think you're playing for the pocket rather than targeting a part of the pocket. I think you're using this technique to "hit a range" of the pocket rather than specifically center. Center is obviously the goal, but not the conscious target. There's a difference. You're actually taking advantage of the human element of slight stroke randomness that affects almost every player on earth rather than striving to be perfect which doesn't happen 100% of the time.
Have you invested any time to learning the technique on the table?
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I think you did.
Dave is saying what I've been saying: the physical acts are identical. In both cases you hit the cue ball on the same spot from the same angle at the same speed. The only difference is how you're describing it to yourself.
This is the cognitive impasse in this topic where mutual understanding will be slow to come and probably all we can do now is agree to disagree. We've been here before on other topics (with mostly the same people on either side).
pj
chgo
Wow, this thread reminds me of a bunch of lawyers fighting back and forth over the wording while everyone already knows what is meant.
Seems like lawyers goal is to keep fighting so they can bill hours and here the goal for some is to keep arguing so they can say they won.
I think the goal for lawyers clients should be quick and fair resolution and the goal for this thread is to learn a technique that can help improve one's pool game.
Seems like lawyers goal is to keep fighting so they can bill hours and here the goal for some is to keep arguing so they can say they won.
I think the goal for lawyers clients should be quick and fair resolution and the goal for this thread is to learn a technique that can help improve one's pool game.