New Pricing on UltraSkinLayered Tips

TomHay

TomHay

Best Tips For Less
Silver Member
I started the UltraSkinLayered Cue Tips to give the Cue Maker and especialy the Cue Repair person a High Quality tip at a very resonable price.

As of today you will find my Ebay prices @ $19.00 a Tip.

My Web Site will soon be reflecting the same type changes on prices.

This however does not effect the prices of the Cue Repair people and Cue Makers, They will recieve the usual prices as always.

I had to start with a broader market to get the word out and rankings on google search. This has been accomplished.

Your right to get what the market will bare is intact and now stronger as unless you are an AZB member the tip prices are $19.00. Membership does have its privlages.

Thanks
 
It has been accomplished. The site comes up as #1.

And here all along I thought all he knew was how to build cues.
 
Tom, you seem to have the process and the finished product down pat!!

So, all I ask, is that you keep everything the same in the process to make your end-product.

Please keep all the components the same, the same hydes, tanning processes, resins, glues, whatever else, since I am not a tip making expert, but,

I have seen companies, like MOORI, like CHANDIVERT, like KAMUII

as time goes on the first Generation of product seemed to be the best of the batches and from there, for some reason

OVER years, the product has gone down in quality??

So, I thank you for what you have done in making a quality tip, for a reasonable price and especially in establishing a true, wholesale/jobber market for the installers and cue makers and at the same time to have the appropriate prices for the true RETAIL buyer.

Keep it this way, and I would not even blame yo if withing the wholesale and jobber areas, that you made a wider pricing structure to get pro-shops, installers, cuemakers to stock up on larger inventories and get the best prices for buying and stocking a full inventory and larger quantities of each available option of your tip lines.

GOOD LUCK and I really love your product, I do about 20 re-tips a week and am up to about 3 or 4 re-tips a week using your product, which is really something to SHOUT ABOUT, because,

I stock over 120 different tips from generations all the way back to the 1960's 1970's, all the way thru to the best of todays options. In fact I have over 9,000 individual tips that I use/stock and re-sell to other installers and pro-shops.

So, keep it up and I will be continuing to market the quality of your products and installing and even enjoying the tips on my own personal cues. Please dont let your establishing salesman down by changing anything, unless you let us know before you do anything.

Take Care and All the Best,

Respectfully

Mike 'acedonkeyace' Kennedy
 
Thanks guys, appreciated your prices stand.

Mike, if quality goes down the tips go in the trash, money gets refunded and I close down. I don't need the headaches or to give headaches.

Remember, always keep your Ferrule protected with UltraskinLayered, you don't want to support a bunch of Baby Cue Balls till they turn 18.:wink:
 
I'd like to ask a question. You were on here for months promoting your tips for something like $2 or $3 each. Now you are selling for $19. Now, I did cue repairs for 10 years and quit a few years ago. So I know what it costs when buying several hundred dollars of tips at a time.

But in this case, the whole pool community knows you were charging $3. Now your "retail" is $19. So, is a cuemaker/repair supposed to base his installed price on $19 plus labor and markup or $3 plus labor and markup?

If he goes for the former, and the regular customer finds out the tip was $3, I think that customer would be quite mad.

I really thought your strategy was to offer a quality layered tip that could be installed for the same price as a lepro or triangle. (That's what I would have done if I was still doing repairs, because to me those tips were a total crapshoot).

But now it seems like the repair man should be charging the same install price as he does a moori or sniper.

So I guess my question is what is your intent with where you want your tips sold at installed? And if a premium intent, what is the installer supposed to tell the customer who finds out he's paying 30 or 35 installed for a $3 tip, when a moori is 4 times that price?

I hope I'm not coming off rude, I'm just trying to understand your rational with the advertised price change.

Best to you.
 
iusedtoberich said:
I'd like to ask a question. You were on here for months promoting your tips for something like $2 or $3 each. Now you are selling for $19. Now, I did cue repairs for 10 years and quit a few years ago. So I know what it costs when buying several hundred dollars of tips at a time.

But in this case, the whole pool community knows you were charging $3. Now your "retail" is $19. So, is a cuemaker/repair supposed to base his installed price on $19 plus labor and markup or $3 plus labor and markup?

If he goes for the former, and the regular customer finds out the tip was $3, I think that customer would be quite mad.

I really thought your strategy was to offer a quality layered tip that could be installed for the same price as a lepro or triangle. (That's what I would have done if I was still doing repairs, because to me those tips were a total crapshoot).

But now it seems like the repair man should be charging the same install price as he does a moori or sniper.

So I guess my question is what is your intent with where you want your tips sold at installed? And if a premium intent, what is the installer supposed to tell the customer who finds out he's paying 30 or 35 installed for a $3 tip, when a moori is 4 times that price?

I hope I'm not coming off rude, I'm just trying to understand your rational with the advertised price change.

Best to you.
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Very well said!!!

honestly there are so many tips out there these days that sell for $20+. now that the price on these has gone up honestly it's just another tip in the crowd
 
I have always been of the opinion that a "cash sale" or a small time guy who wants to maybe install his own tip should not be able to get the. Same pricing as a professional.
That being said,
If I install ultra skin tips for 25.00, and an eBay buyer pays 10-12 dollar or the tip and has me install it for a 15.00 supply your own tip charge.....that's exactly where the pricing should be.
The only downside to this pricing model is that the general public has been exposed to the actual wholesale prices.

For me personally it has been a little tough to get "real" players to try out the ultra, but the response has been generally positive.

As long as our wholesale price stays close to where its at now, I can continue to install them for a good price to the consumer, and I can make a couple extra dollars as well.
Just my .02, but I think Tom is doing the right thing here with his pricing.
There has to be a desperation between wholesale an retail customers.
 
iusedtoberich said:
I'd like to ask a question. You were on here for months promoting your tips for something like $2 or $3 each. Now you are selling for $19. Now, I did cue repairs for 10 years and quit a few years ago. So I know what it costs when buying several hundred dollars of tips at a time.

But in this case, the whole pool community knows you were charging $3. Now your "retail" is $19. So, is a cuemaker/repair supposed to base his installed price on $19 plus labor and markup or $3 plus labor and markup?

If he goes for the former, and the regular customer finds out the tip was $3, I think that customer would be quite mad.

I really thought your strategy was to offer a quality layered tip that could be installed for the same price as a lepro or triangle. (That's what I would have done if I was still doing repairs, because to me those tips were a total crapshoot).

But now it seems like the repair man should be charging the same install price as he does a moori or sniper.

So I guess my question is what is your intent with where you want your tips sold at installed? And if a premium intent, what is the installer supposed to tell the customer who finds out he's paying 30 or 35 installed for a $3 tip, when a moori is 4 times that price?

I hope I'm not coming off rude, I'm just trying to understand your rational with the advertised price change.

Best to you.
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Very good question that needed to be asked,,,,,,,
 
Very well said!!!

honestly there are so many tips out there these days that sell for $20+. now that the price on these has gone up honestly it's just another tip in the crowd
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You didn't read the first post did you?

Tom said that his EBay listings and his web site will reflect the price change.
Everyone else on AZ that has been purchasing tips will still be at the same pricing.

Black King tips does the same unless you register with the site and then you get to see the dealer prices.

My customers don't know and don't need to know what my supplies cost me.

Just because I can get a tip for $3, doesn't mean they get a $15 install.
I have tips that I can install for that price. These are high quality tips that are far better than many and better than Moori and Kamui.
It just means that because Tom is a nice guy, he makes my profit margin
better and me happy. For that, I push his tips and buy more of them.
When people find out that they are a high quality tip they tell their friends and they come back for more.
See how this works now. I have tips that I pay different prices for. All that means is my profit margin is much better on some than others.


If someone brings me a tip, ( Lets say Kamui because I don't stock them) they get charged $15 for an install and no free shaft clean and seal with it. Seldom happens.

If someone brought me a Ultra and whined about my price as opposed to what they bought it for, I would invite him to invest thousands in equipment and install his own.

And if you're not really in the game, you shouldn't worry too much about how the rest of us handle our businesses.
 
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Tip sales

I am a small guy in a big pond and have bought about 30 tips from Tom I think its a good thing to protect good tips.Plus it helps the small repair guys out we can all make alittle and still be happy.:grin::smile:
Best reguards.
 
Please dont let your establishing salesman down by changing anything, unless you let us know before you do anything.
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You'll be the first to know. You're special aren't you.
 
Renegade_56 said:
Very good question that needed to be asked,,,,,,,
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I think it is easy enough to answer. Kamui and others were giving tips away for free for quite a while. This does not mean you install free.

We live in a free enterprise world. You are welcome to charge what ever you want for the tips and tell anyone you want what you pay for the tips. Your life does not change a bit and as an AZ member your price didn't change.

I will be the one taking the heat from the public but my start mission and end mission have not changed. I do this so the guy that bought all the equipment and learned his trade could make better money.

Ever work a Tournament that you spent big bucks on gas, set up and Hotel Rooms and it flopped where you only put on a few tips?

If I remember right just recently Kamui had a Public price jump of about what I charge a tip. Percentage wise and to people that buy by the hundreds do you think their price went up as much?

Do you think a Cue Maker will make a Cue that much cheaper if at all if someone brings in their own wood and scrap ivory.

I know I will not please 10 out of 10 people. I am simply trying to do whats best for the guy behind the machine.

Again, nothing has changed for you. If you want to tell people you paid $3.20 a tip and put it on for $10.00 there is nothing stopping you.

The guy chancing losing sales here is the guy typing this.

I drive a Mercedes 500SL Rag Top, showrrom. I paid 15K cash for it and see people drooling that bought a 20K Kia at 18% interest. Price is what people think, nothing more, nothing less.
 
poolplayer2093 said:
Very well said!!!

honestly there are so many tips out there these days that sell for $20+. now that the price on these has gone up honestly it's just another tip in the crowd
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The price on these have not gone up to AZBers. Where did that come from?
 
whammo57 said:
It came from not reading your post completely and letting panic take over as soon as he read "price increase".........

LOL

Kim
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Shoot.
I am a Cue Maker and repair person as well, you should know that, I buy a new Lathe almost every week.:rotflmao1:
 
New one!

TomHay said:
Shoot.
I am a Cue Maker and repair person as well, you should know that, I buy a new Lathe almost every week.:rotflmao1:
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That sounds about right!
As soon as you decide to buy an upgraded taper machine to replace the old "new" machine, let me know first because I want that one ;-)
 
I am still confused

about whether the price is the same or gone up for AZBr's? I am getting a cue made in February, and was going to put a silver on one of my shafts, but if I have to pay $19.00 a tip, I just as soon put on a Moori, which was my original plan.
 
Snapshot9 said:
about whether the price is the same or gone up for AZBr's? I am getting a cue made in February, and was going to put a silver on one of my shafts, but if I have to pay $19.00 a tip, I just as soon put on a Moori, which was my original plan.
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Snapshot9, you are an AZB member, AZB members prices have not changed. You can read everything I have written and it will all read the same, prices for AZB members has not changed.
 
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