WRISTS - The "hidden power catalyst" of a great stroke or "just along for the ride"?

Yeah, I think there is a solution here.

Any time you are reading through a thread in which the Thread Starter, or probably anyone else posting in it, makes an assertion or claim with which you disagree, or offers instruction which, in your opinion, runs counter to conventional wisdom or known physical principles, then you should start your own Parallel Thread (use the original thread's title with a catchy suffix) and post your disagreement there. That way, the original thread will remain unsullied with controversy and conflict, with only agreement and high-fives, while you and your like-minded contrarians can post away, free from complaints of negativity.

What do you think of my solution?

That's the move.
 
Fran: I resisted for as long as I could, but I've finally chosen to put a few people on "ignore" and it has cleaned up the forum very nicely. The veil of negativity was lifted from the forum & it's much more enjoyable.

For the sake of clarity:

Ignore List
  • ATM
  • Neil
  • nobcitypool
  • Pangit
  • Wileydog

A pretty short list, huh? That's all it took to begin enjoying the forum again.

Get caught spreading lies about someone, and then instead of apologizing like a man, just put the person on ignore. Shows your colors real well.:rolleyes:
 
once upon a time

Yeah, I think there is a solution here.

Any time you are reading through a thread in which the Thread Starter, or probably anyone else posting in it, makes an assertion or claim with which you disagree, or offers instruction which, in your opinion, runs counter to conventional wisdom or known physical principles, then you should start your own Parallel Thread (use the original thread's title with a catchy suffix) and post your disagreement there. That way, the original thread will remain unsullied with controversy and conflict, with only agreement and high-fives, while you and your like-minded contrarians can post away, free from complaints of negativity.

What do you think of my solution?

Once upon a time i was posting in a baseball forum. I was trying to expain what "being in the zone " was. 4 or 5 of the most respected posters ganged up on me telling me how there was no such thing and baseball was all stats and numbers no scientific evidence etc. etc etc. and finally i had to leave that forum because if you didn't agree with those 4 or 5 guys they would try to hound you into submission. When you continually hound someone until they submit to your way its called abuse or bullying.

Eventually everybody that thinks a little different than you leaves and you have one opinion and no further input. Yours. Good luck with that.
 
Yeah, I think there is a solution here.

Any time you are reading through a thread in which the Thread Starter, or probably anyone else posting in it, makes an assertion or claim with which you disagree, or offers instruction which, in your opinion, runs counter to conventional wisdom or known physical principles, then you should start your own Parallel Thread (use the original thread's title with a catchy suffix) and post your disagreement there. That way, the original thread will remain unsullied with controversy and conflict, with only agreement and high-fives, while you and your like-minded contrarians can post away, free from complaints of negativity.

What do you think of my solution?

In other words, you don't want a discussion board, and each of us should have our own little section.
 
Look for Enjoyment today, I'm going to PRACTICE Pinning.

Don't leave out Lou F., who euphemistically speaks of the same notion - "macadamia clasper". I guess it's supposed to appeal to our (assumed) aversion to anything that may make us appear to be gay in the eyes of other "real" men.

BTW I got my FREE CJ Wiley "Ultimate Pool Secrets" DVD in the mail yesterday... as promised. If I thank him here, will that make me a nut hugger, too?

Fµck it... Thanks, CJ. :wub:

I see all of the usual kangaroos are in session again, CJ. Enjoy your day in court. I'm signing off on this thread. Nothing good can come out of it at this point, and I'm a guy who could use help more than just about anybody. At this point, it resembles "Lord of the Flies" more than a pocket billiards discussion. Thanks all, for saving me from a fate worse than death - actually trying something without documented scientific proof that it actually works.

You're welcome, I hope you enjoy the "3 in 1" DVD.

I understand getting disenchanted with all this "Love, Joy and Hope". :smile:

The one thing that needs to be understood "Action if the Key to Life".

Look for Enjoyment today and "real eyes" contentment. :wink:
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In other words, you don't want a discussion board, and each of us should have our own little section.

Exactly. Eventually, it would fragment down to the granularity of one member, one thread: Where no one would contradict us...

It's the only way. I see that now.
 
C'mon. You guys know I'm just kiddin' around.

But, when I read some of these complaints about negativity, when all it really is is the back and forth of discussed ideas, I feel like, well, you know, taking action! (I've already had a post in my alternate thread! Thanks sfleinen!)...

The fit has passed. I'll quiet down now.
 
Once upon a time i was posting in a baseball forum. I was trying to expain what "being in the zone " was. 4 or 5 of the most respected posters ganged up on me telling me how there was no such thing and baseball was all stats and numbers no scientific evidence etc. etc etc. and finally i had to leave that forum because if you didn't agree with those 4 or 5 guys they would try to hound you into submission. When you continually hound someone until they submit to your way its called abuse or bullying.

Eventually everybody that thinks a little different than you leaves and you have one opinion and no further input. Yours. Good luck with that.

That's funny. It's funny, because I'm sure you meant it against those that disagree with some of what CJ is posting. The only one hounding someone until they submit is CJ and his cronies. CJ has even said that only his opinion counts. Anyone that dares disagree with him, or dare post snapshots of videos that question what he is saying, are labeled bullies, lied about, ignored, called names, made fun of because they decided not to go pro or just don't play at a pro level, and asked to leave.

Not one person that has disagreed with CJ has posted anything that is not factual. Why don't you just admit you don't want facts presented here, only pros opinions no matter how blatantly wrong they happen to be.

Interesting how you twist it to make those being bullied out to be the bullies on here. CJ can sit there and openly mock Dr. Dave's info, and say it is all worthless, and I believe only one person spoke up about CJ being the bully. A bunch of you defend him, even with his openly degrading attitude on here. Quite frankly, a lot of you don't deserve all the correct info all the instructors have been putting on here for years in the effort to actually help you.
 
anyways going to the pool stuff, what were we talking about because i going to go shoot some stick tonight and i want to try something new so i can come back here and tell you about it or make a quick video :grin:

we were discussing whether you can hit below center cue ball for follow?
 
CJ: This thread moves quickly so it's easy to overlook an individual post. Could you take a look at my post HERE & comment? Thanks in advance!
 
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so you are right , right?

That's funny. It's funny, because I'm sure you meant it against those that disagree with some of what CJ is posting. The only one hounding someone until they submit is CJ and his cronies. CJ has even said that only his opinion counts. Anyone that dares disagree with him, or dare post snapshots of videos that question what he is saying, are labeled bullies, lied about, ignored, called names, made fun of because they decided not to go pro or just don't play at a pro level, and asked to leave.

Not one person that has disagreed with CJ has posted anything that is not factual. Why don't you just admit you don't want facts presented here, only pros opinions no matter how blatantly wrong they happen to be.

Interesting how you twist it to make those being bullied out to be the bullies on here. CJ can sit there and openly mock Dr. Dave's info, and say it is all worthless, and I believe only one person spoke up about CJ being the bully. A bunch of you defend him, even with his openly degrading attitude on here. Quite frankly, a lot of you don't deserve all the correct info all the instructors have been putting on here for years in the effort to actually help you.

So you are right, right? The facts show that right? Then when will that be enough for you... What will that take... Thats all i'm saying
 
So you are right, right? The facts show that right? Then when will that be enough for you... What will that take... Thats all i'm saying

So, all you want here is people that agree with CJ. No opinions,no discussion (little of that anyways since CJ rarely answers anyone's questions), just followers. That's called "facebook", maybe you should be there instead of on a discussion forum.??
 
He does things very, very well indeed

CJ: I'm interested in these concepts you've mentioned. Is the following shot (7-ball) an example fo the concept of "cueing low" (lower than would normally be needed to achieve that level of follow) and swiping up thru the ball to increase follow (is that what you mean by using the top of the tip?)? Just trying to build a mental picture of your concept.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=f4UVcdfiBSY#t=221s

Yes, I did it to a certain extent here, and when slow rolling balls I consider it a "specialty shot". The main thing is having a system that keeps your cue angle going down. There's more than one way to do this, and many of us think of hitting it with the top, side or some portion of the TOP of the TIP.

Watch this guy HE DOES THINGS VERY, VERY WELL INDEED - using the tip. :wink:
 
It's about hitting the cueball with a more exact part of the tip.

CJ, when you talk about pinning are you saying that you are pinning the QB between the tip of the cue and the cloth during the forward stroke?

I'm practing what I believe to be pinning and at the same time thinking to myself "how would I explain to someone in writing what I'm doing and feeling when pinning." I cant come up with an explanation.

Maybe in your video for AZB you could demonstrate the process.

Thanks for your help. :smile:

John

No, it has nothing to do with the cloth. It's about hitting the cueball with a more exact part of the tip. Thinking in terms of the TOP portion, all the way down to the side of the TIP (depending on the angle of the shot).

As soon as things "settle down" I'll explain how to use this method to line up and create a "check and balance" for whatever "aiming system" you're using. I have an aiming system in my Ultimage Pool Secrets DVD, however,

I also use my tip to "double check" my cue angle and also establish EXACTLY how I'm applying my "Touch" of Inside. I use 3 different "systems" to make SURE I'm on the right angle, especially on long shots or shots off the rail. Then all you have to do is MAKE SURE to hit the cue ball straight.
 
It's not about "drawing or following" the ball, it's about using the TOP of your tip

Ok, so what you are saying is instead of cueing center ball and moving up to the 3/4 ball for follow they are cueing the bottom of the cue ball and moving up to half ball for follow.

Now this "pinning the ball" your talking about is a name for this particular follow technique or is it the name for top of the tip technique?

It's not about "drawing or following" the ball, it's about using the TOP of your tip to do three things:

1) Establish the ideal cue angle
2) Contact the cue ball with a more precise part of your tip (the top)
3) Provide a "double check" for aiming, using different parts of the tip (top portion) to the "inside" of the cue ball. This will be challenging to explain. :wink:
 
No, it has nothing to do with the cloth. It's about hitting the cueball with a more exact part of the tip. Thinking in terms of the TOP portion, all the way down to the side of the TIP (depending on the angle of the shot).

As soon as things "settle down" I'll explain how to use this method to line up and create a "check and balance" for whatever "aiming system" you're using. I have an aiming system in my Ultimage Pool Secrets DVD, however,

I also use my tip to "double check" my cue angle and also establish EXACTLY how I'm applying my "Touch" of Inside. I use 3 different "systems" to make SURE I'm on the right angle, especially on long shots or shots off the rail. Then all you have to do is MAKE SURE to hit the cue ball straight.

Thanks for the comment.......much appreciated.

I went to the YouTube that Mosconiac post and watched shot #7. I took it to my table for about an hour........it works. :)

Now when I see the philipinos (spelling) I'll understand why they are cueing so low. They are swiping upward on the shot stroke.

I have your DVD. I havent been able "to get it" the way you aim using the cue ball sections. I have tried, I just dont see it. Keep helping and I may "get it". I'm always open to ideas to add to the arsenal (a small one)

I use the back of the ball aiming system. I line up the center of the cue ball with the edge of the object ball (because I can see the edge more clearly than the center of the object ball.) and then move my aiming point in toward the center of the OB.

Hope to read more from you soon.

John
 
It's not about "drawing or following" the ball, it's about using the TOP of your tip to do three things:

1) Establish the ideal cue angle
2) Contact the cue ball with a more precise part of your tip (the top)
3) Provide a "double check" for aiming, using different parts of the tip (top portion) to the "inside" of the cue ball. This will be challenging to explain. :wink:




I can see you are involved in to many individual discussions here and its hard for you and i see i am on track with my discussions with you but you are not lol. I will change it up and try and help you :)

ok, so you are saying pro's are the cueing low in there practice strokes and that helps them keep the downward stroke and that helps in the top of the tip technique, correct lol?

top of the tip technique is another way to say "pinning the ball", correct lol? :) or are they different?
 
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