Are The Bonus Ball Players Under Contract?

[The Renfro]

Given your position after the fight at the Open. Your reputation has been tarnished and so has Appleton's. The difference is, he is a World Champion and you are not. He was picked to play on a team with Bonus Ball and you were not. He can get away with more than you can. OH not a Sir I'm a Ms thank you.

Actually I don't really see Lee or Darren's reputations being tarnished.. Passionate people play the game and they make their bones by being who they are..... The real question still is unanswered... Who are you behind the keyboard slinging mud? A world champion? A BB player? A teacher or instructor?

Pretty much over the anonymous bashing around here... Either post your name when you have something to say or GTFO.....

Good day sir errrr Ms errrr oh yeah anon...

Chris Renfro

 

[Cory in DC]

Not sure but it smells like KT.

Also, this thread is about the "players." Who exactly are they? I went to website hoping their was a roster or something. I found nothing. How many players and who are they?

Aside from Dechaine's withdrawal, noted in another thread today, the rosters -- i.e., the players-- are here: http://www.wpbl.tv/news4.shtml. A few big names are absent, but it's a hell of a lineup.

All new ventures are risky and hit a lot of unexpected roadblocks, and they all start out deep in the red. Drive through the DC area today and you'll see lots of storefronts and restaurant-fronts that are clearly still works-in-progress with signs up stating "Opening Fall 2012" and "Opening Summer 2012". So, while communication could have been better, these issues are not necessarily a sign of impending doom. Just opening a new business in the real world.

FWIW, I think some of the Bonus Ball representatives/advocates could try to engage in more productive dialogues and be a little more thick-skinned. Bonus Ball would be well-served if all of them would emulate Nathan and Lenny.

That said, Bonus Ball is a fun game that forces a lot of aggressive shots, one-pocket style banks, tight position play, etc. From shot-to-shot, I found that, in terms of skills required, it most reminded me of one-pocket (playing the three-hole advanced version of the game). For me, that's a good thing. For the skeptics, you should probably spend one hour of your life trying the game before you conclude that it's silly. Some won't like it, but that's life. I can't stand 9-ball and some great 9-ball players can't stand one pocket.

Don't try to get all the rules down (I haven't), just try to hold the sequence and get a feel for what run-outs and safeties are like. I use solid-stripe-8 ball (instead of purple-orange-black) and it works fine. I also put little Post-It flags on three pockets to help me keep track.

Cory

 

[jay helfert]

I guess only time will tell how much impact Bonus Ball has on professional pool. All the speculating on here won't change a thing. My observation is that there are limited opportunities for all but the very best players, the ones who are willing (and able) to travel the globe for all the major tournaments. In this country, amazingly enough, we have exactly one player (Shane) who plays on the international pool circuit. And he struggles to make it out there. Fortunately he seems to dominate things in this country, along with a few others like Alex.

Thanks to Bonus Ball, hopefully many other players will be able to pursue their dream of making a living from playing pool. Like I said, that remains to be seen if it will happen. It isn't so long ago that everyone was going to get rich thanks to TruDough. I was one of the few who did not trust all his promises and warned many players to beware, and don't spend money they hadn't yet received. They thanked me by telling me to stay out of it and I did. We know what happened next.

I prefer to sit this one out and see what transpires over the course of the next few months. If 36 players make a good payday then it hasn't all been bad. It's a little more money in their pockets and some much needed help down the road. If it falters before the first year is over, I would call it just one more failed idea. If somehow Bonus Ball is able to continue into a second year, I'd call that a huge success. So let's just see how this one evolves over the course of the next six months. I'm willing to reserve judgment until then. Frankly I like these guys (Larry and Barry) a lot more than I cared for TruDough. I KNEW he was a shyster!

 

[lee brett]

Given your position after the fight at the Open. Your reputation has been tarnished and so has Appleton's. The difference is, he is a World Champion and you are not. He was picked to play on a team with Bonus Ball and you were not. He can get away with more than you can. OH not a Sir I'm a Ms thank you.

Given my position, and how have i been tarnished? I was attacked by him throwing punches at me, i defended myself like any normal human being would.

So if you see that as having a reputation tarnished from protecting yourself, then what is the world coming too! So since he is picked he has the right to be bigger than the league, i guess only in pool would you have that, certainly not in any other sport.

I am the referee, always was. I was told i can't be an alternate due to being the referee. As for the statement he can get away with more, is the most ridiculous thing I've heard, just cos your a world champion means you can go around making an ass of yourself and not apologize. The word ROLE MODEL comes to mind. Do i have an issue with Darren Appleton over it, no i don't i'm a grown up who shakes hands moves on and works together for the good of the league.

My apologies Ms.

 

[Jesters]

Actually I don't really see Lee or Darren's reputations being tarnished.. Passionate people play the game and they make their bones by being who they are..... The real question still is unanswered... Who are you behind the keyboard slinging mud? A world champion? A BB player? A teacher or instructor?

Pretty much over the anonymous bashing around here... Either post your name when you have something to say or GTFO.....

Good day sir errrr Ms errrr oh yeah anon...

Chris Renfro

Well if you read the thread about what happened at the open I think you will find alot of people had negatives for both of them and therefore tarnished. I am sure they will make it up. Why are you so butt hurt about this? what stake do you have? I don't think I am slinging mud, I think that I am just telling it how it is or the way I see it. Thats the whole idea behind forums. Maybe you didn't know that but now you do

 

[JAM]

Given my position, and how have i been tarnished? I was attacked by him throwing punches at me, i defended myself like any normal human being would.

So if you see that as having a reputation tarnished from protecting yourself, then what is the world coming too! So since he is picked he has the right to be bigger than the league, i guess only in pool would you have that, certainly not in any other sport.

I am the referee, always was. I was told i can't be an alternate due to being the referee. As for the statement he can get away with more, is the most ridiculous thing I've heard, just cos your a world champion means you can go around making an ass of yourself and not apologize. The word ROLE MODEL comes to mind. Do i have an issue with Darren Appleton over it, no i don't i'm a grown up who shakes hands moves on and works together for the good of the league.

My apologies Ms.

Good reply, Lee.

 

[Jesters]

Given my position, and how have i been tarnished? I was attacked by him throwing punches at me, i defended myself like any normal human being would.

So if you see that as having a reputation tarnished from protecting yourself, then what is the world coming too! So since he is picked he has the right to be bigger than the league, i guess only in pool would you have that, certainly not in any other sport.

I am the referee, always was. I was told i can't be an alternate due to being the referee. As for the statement he can get away with more, is the most ridiculous thing I've heard, just cos your a world champion means you can go around making an ass of yourself and not apologize. The word ROLE MODEL comes to mind. Do i have an issue with Darren Appleton over it, no i don't i'm a grown up who shakes hands moves on and works together for the good of the league.

My apologies Ms.

Your fault or not it does not matter. I actually feel for your situation with what happened but it does not change the fact that you were involved and people will come to their own conclusions, like it or not. To your other point, if you don't think that Kobe gets away with more because hes Kobe or that stars in other sports do not get preferencial treatment then you are not paying attention. I have no real problem with you but your so called joke of a comment was in bad taste,

 

[watchez]

Ok - I probably missed it as I tried to get caught up in the thread -

Who are the sponsors - or the money men - behind Bonus Ball?

I couldn't find anything in this thread on who is paying out the millions and when I go to www.playbonusball.com all I see is that they are supported by AZ Billiards and Insidepool.

Oh and the website still says that the live streaming starts Nov 29th.

LOL - now they changed the website to show streaming starts Jan 3rd.

Again - who are the sponsors - or the money men - behind Bonus Ball?

 

[The Renfro]

Well if you read the thread about what happened at the open I think you will find alot of people had negatives for both of them and therefore tarnished. I am sure they will make it up. Why are you so butt hurt about this? what stake do you have? I don't think I am slinging mud, I think that I am just telling it how it is or the way I see it. Thats the whole idea behind forums. Maybe you didn't know that but now you do

Actually being at the Open trumps reading a thread about it.

Same thing happened in the thread you cite btw... anon posters piling on behind keyboards like so many other threads.

I know Lee and Darren personally so any anonymous opinion on their character, that was garnered perspective on only thru reading a thread, doesn't hold water in my book...

That's not being butthurt that just being over the keyboard cowboys/cowgirls that won't sign their name to what they have to say about anyone or anything..

I am Chris Renfro from Knoxville TN and I will say anything in person that I have posted in this forum... I respect those that do the same...

If someone won't sign a name to a post then I really don't give it much credibility......


Chris Renfro

 

[SpiderWebComm]

If I were you, working with Bonus Ball, I'd be keeping a low profile on this forum about anything controversial. Because of your recent experience at the U.S. Open 9-Ball Championship, you're already touted as one of the "Boxing Brits." I'm not sure I'd like a Boxing Brit refereeing my match. Referees, like umpires and even judges in legal proceedings, should remain neutral at all times, not instigating.

JAM - it's unfair to say Lee instigated anything. From what I heard from my friend who was there--- Darren launched at Lee. That said, I'm a huge fan of both guys and hope the water is well beneath the bridge.

When alcohol is involved, things happen. That said -- that situation at the Open doesn't mean Lee should be keeping a low anything nor was he instigating. It doesn't mean I agree w/ his paw comment at all -- that chirp didn't need to get chirped. Just saying the other stuff wasn't a fair comment by you

Lee just proved he's the man to beat in PPP, that's all - "IMO" of course.

 

[Jesters]

Actually being at the Open trumps reading a thread about it.

Same thing happened in the thread you cite btw... anon posters piling on behind keyboards like so many other threads.

I know Lee and Darren personally so any anonymous opinion on their character, that was garnered perspective on only thru reading a thread, doesn't hold water in my book...

That's not being butthurt that just being over the keyboard cowboys/cowgirls that won't sign their name to what they have to say about anyone or anything..

I am Chris Renfro from Knoxville TN and I will say anything in person that I have posted in this forum... I respect those that do the same...

If someone won't sign a name to a post then I really don't give it much credibility......


Chris Renfro

I read a number of posts and alot of them were negative toward the two of them is all I am saying and therefore a little tarnished. Thats a fact and I don't need to know them or be there to make a decision on what the majority are saying in a forum. Another fact. I like the way you name drop though, and happy that you know 2 pro players. I think thats awesome. You are pretty cool after all.

 

[JAM]

JAM - it's unfair to say Lee instigated anything. From what I heard from my friend who was there--- Darren launched at Lee. That said, I'm a huge fan of both guys and hope the water is well beneath the bridge.

When alcohol is involved, things happen. That said -- that situation at the Open doesn't mean Lee should be keeping a low anything nor was he instigating. It doesn't mean I agree w/ his paw comment at all -- that chirp didn't need to get chirped. Just saying the other stuff wasn't a fair comment by you

Lee just proved he's the man to beat in PPP, that's all - "IMO" of course.

I responded to Lee nicely, but maybe you did not read the entire thread before you posted to me.

I am receiving PMs from a so-called "representative" of Bonus Ball giving me hell. Becuase of it, Bonus Ball sucks a big weenie as far as I'm concerned.

I wish Lee all the best, even if he is a member of Bonus Ball conglomerate.

I find it interesting that everybody from Arizona and Canada are Bonus Ball cheerleaders. What's up with that?

I was giving Bonus Ball a wait-and-see attitude, but now I think differently and won't be a fan.

 

[Fatboy]

Its seems in this case I have more of a clue that you do my friend. here is nothing in my assesment that is not a valid point. You may have some interest in defending them and as so can look at this venture through rose colored glasses but for the most part people here are obviously seeing whats going on. Inspectors can be brutal but have they been brutal for almost a year??? Also what is the excuse for not telling the players until they got there? If you are in the know you should be able to easy answer these questions. Somehow I feel that you are not as much in the know as you think you are. Stoip defending things that are not defenable. If you really think that anyone including the players do not have concerns with the reliability of this venture you are kidding yourself. Take a step back and look at it without your bullt in bias and I think that you will realize that yopu are the one who should "STFU"

fu.........

u know nothing

and i dont have any $, or anything else in this project, yes inspectors 4 a yr is normal now in vegas

 

[JAM]

Bonus Ball sucks!

 

[justadub]

I responded to Lee nicely, but maybe you did not read the entire thread before you posted to me.

I am receiving PMs from a so-called "representative" of Bonus Ball giving me hell. Becuase of it, Bonus Ball sucks a big weenie as far as I'm concerned.

I wish Lee all the best, even if he is a member of Bonus Ball conglomerate.

I find it interesting that everybody from Arizona and Canada are Bonus Ball cheerleaders. What's up with that?

I was giving Bonus Ball a wait-and-see attitude, but now I think differently and won't be a fan.

I'm feeling left out, I haven't gotten any PM's..

 

[JAM]

I'm feeling left out, I haven't gotten any PM's..

Well, if Bonus Ball fails and the players don't get their so-called "million-dollar payday," it will be all my fault, according to a Bonus Ball testicle dangler.

 

[JB Cases]

Man, the brutality. Where has all the hope in the world gone?

Well, the silver lining is that the AZ brain trust can be looked upon as a team of brutally honest consultants who are not charging millions for their services.

So my thought is that given the IPT and it's spectacular flameout, given all the information that's widely known about the billiard industry, it's fans, and and and.....if the BB people don't have their shit together at this point to follow whatever plan and vision they have then so be it.

They have the entire history of pool and the status quo to look back on to see what didn't work and analyze why it didn't. They have all the negative nellies on here to remind them. They have people here on AZ who do know the pool world inside out from the pros and their "issues" to the industry and its "issues".

Given all that I say give it a chance, let them roll their dice in Vegas appropriately and see what happens. Even when you bet on the Lions you sometimes win.

 

[JAM]

...Even when you bet on the Lions you sometimes win.

I hope you don't ever get any disparaging PMs from the Bonus Ball danglers.

There's only one lion I'll be betting on, and that's this guy. :wink:

 

[justadub]

Well, if Bonus Ball fails and the players don't get their so-called "million-dollar payday," it will be all my fault, according to a Bonus Ball testicle dangler.

Wow, you wield much power, oh mighty Scrabble-Master.... Or is that Scrabble-Mistress?

 

[JAM]

Wow, you wield much power, oh mighty Scrabble-Master.... Or is that Scrabble-Mistress?

Yeah, ain't that the truth. That and a dollar won't buy me a cup of Starbucks.