I love pool and can barely stand sittting through a match, as a spectator.
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Are The Bonus Ball Players Under Contract?
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Well I didnt make $26,000 last year and if you offered me a job on the other side of the country guaranteeing $22K and six months work I wouldn't go. Postponing it twice for a month at time wouldnt make it any more attractive. But then I'm not a pool player either.
Its like I said originally...for some guys it makes sense to commit that much time and travel while for others it doesnt.
Let me see here.....
Mark G:
$25K added points event with an international field, 200+ table amateur event with 6000+ players in a strip casino in Vegas. 60,000 member amateur league. Week long bar table event with $25K added in the largest casino in Reno.
Barry B:
Most successful weekly 8 ball tourney in Winnipeg.
I would say when it comes to pool event promoting those two resumes are pretty much neck and neck.
$44,000 annual income is pretty decent compared to making under $26,000.
Food, clothes, housing, etc. All cost dolla dolla bills.
I think Mark is fantastic and by no means am I under the Bonus Ball umbrella. Here is a good question.
Of the $25,000 added, how much of it was ACTUALLY out of pocket? (IE vendor booth rentals, sponsorship, money from sanction fees, hotel kick back, etc)Does he take a loss to put the events on? It seems Bonus Ball is going to take about a million dollar hit just to make it through the first year.
I'd HATE to see anyone take a loss but as a whole, as the above listed tournaments at a loss or is there still profit on top of the 25K added?
The APA pays out like a half million, they also bring in Jay-Z type money and its all because of the players. I assume BCA is different.
None of this is my business, although I am curious.
Some of things I just read in here so far changed my mind about Bonus Ball, and not for the better. That is not good press.
I did read an excellent idea though; Mark Griffin to be inducted into the HoF. I'm pretty sure he's done enough several times over for that honor.
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I don't know what the tournament makes or doesnt make but I know if he lost his ass every year he wouldnt keep doing it and he shouldnt. Its not SUPPOSED to be out of pocket. Promoters are SUPPOSED to make money.
This is why he is able to keep coming back year after year.
I have to say the way you present your point makes no sense to me. The added money has to come from somewhere. Having revenue streams like a gate, sponsors, vendors or whatever are a viable way to make up that $25K therefor allowing the event to continue. Its a lot harder making those numbers add up when you are talking seven figures.
Just because Bonus ball is jumping off a cliff with millions doesnt mean anything other than someone was good at pitching investors.
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Just because past pool promoters are unable to think of a way to generate income, doesn't mean BB will suffer the same fate. The world isn't limited to what you can conceive on your own. Do you really think investors would fire millions at this if there wasn't a plan in place to recoup the funds?
It's quite clear that most people know nothing about what BB has planned, and that makes sense given no information has been released as of yet. If everyone was educated and showing concern, then I'd be worried. But at this point everyone is just speculating with no real understanding.
At the end of the day, players are being paid, and pool is being given an opportunity. Sure, it's an organizational mess thus far and delays are numerous, but they're just that, delays. I see no need for all this other nonsense.
When the season starts in Jan, I predict everyone changes their tone rather quickly.
If I was an investor that didn't know about pool Im sure my imagination could take off too. It seems like an untapped market. The reality is pool boring to watch for people who don't love the sport. Its boring to watch even for most people who do love the game.
So you have a genius never before thought of idea for selling bonus ball to the masses but you cant meet a deadline of any sort thus far.
Got it.
Standing by to be amazed at the brilliance.
Everyone has "a plan." But very few of those plans are viable.
You've ID'd a crucial problem with how BB is operating: a lack of information presented in a manner that will garner support amongst the game's fans. People want the game and BB to succeed but it's hard (impossible) to get behind a project that looks like a car wreck happening in slow motion. BB has totally screwed the pooch on their presentation and all that that shows me is that their "plan" has not been well thought out. And if they can't get that element right, it makes me wonder how sound the rest of the deal is constructed.
Lou Figueroa
Unexpected delays happen all the time in biz, cause there unexpected.
Kinda glad they are trying to wait till everything is right before kickin it off. People want to bash em for anything they dont do 100% right, or there way of thinkin. But thats their right and what goes on in forums.
If it takes off it will be great for pool. We can nit pick all the things they do wrong but seems they are trying hard to do right.
Barry went off a lil and prob shouldnt have but he just trying to defend his product from all the haters..
If i see a BB shot make Sportscenter's highlight of the night im gonna shit
... but sure hope it happens
GL
Kinda glad they are trying to wait till everything is right before kickin it off. People want to bash em for anything they dont do 100% right, or there way of thinkin. But thats their right and what goes on in forums.
If it takes off it will be great for pool. We can nit pick all the things they do wrong but seems they are trying hard to do right.
Barry went off a lil and prob shouldnt have but he just trying to defend his product from all the haters..
If i see a BB shot make Sportscenter's highlight of the night im gonna shit
... but sure hope it happensGL
Unless these bonusball big wigs are in bed with some major network, they're in serious trouble.
I understand the goal is to generate new fans and players that currently don't play pool, but complicating the game and adding ugly looking jerseys isn't the ticket.
Of course, if your plan is to make all of your money by selling PPV to the pool fans we already have, good luck!
I cannot blame you, Lenny, Dave, or any of the players involved. If someone was throwing money out of a window and wanted me to catch it, I would too. Just don't fall in love with the dream that it's going to blow up, cause it will be a nightmare.
Seems to me all the bashing being done, is a conflict of interest!! And lap dogs standing up for their masters. Sit boy, give me your paw..
And all of the bonus ball lovers are the ones with their hand in the cookie jar.
Seems to me all the bashing being done, is a conflict of interest!! And lap dogs standing up for their masters. Sit boy, give me your paw..
What happened to your "Goodbye cruel world!!" thread?
I thought you quit AZ.
It does amuse me that everyone hoping to get some money from this deal is chirping now.
I have it all figured out........... We kill the batman!
Who are you talking about? Who are the Lap Dogs? I can only think that you are talking about one person and I think you are a little off base and rude. If you want to talk about "Lap dogs" I would certainly put you in that group for the Bonus Ball people. You are probably hanging by a thread at this point trying to hold on to your ref job. See not very nice when you get insulted is it? Now go back to your masters at Bonus Ball and tell them how you stood up for them on some forums. Glass houses, I would have thought you would be the last person to chime in with a comment like that given your position.Seems to me all the bashing being done, is a conflict of interest!! And lap dogs standing up for their masters. Sit boy, give me your paw..
I'm sorry Lou but the game's current fans don't mean shit...
You don't need the games current fans, hell alienate every single current billiards fan and it wouldn't mean jack.
You could have EVERY current fan in the bag and nothing you do would be viable.
You HAVE to get mass interest in order for anything billiard related to become viable as a self sustaining revenue generator.
What has been done obviously isn't working. The most successful thing out there (mosconi cup) has several things that other attempts don't.
Team rivalry, something for the masses to get behind...."USA, USA, USA..." "Europe, Europe, Europe"...
A team based format so that you can choose which individuals to route for, different strokes for different folks, etc...
Guess what???? All of these things that differentiate the most successful current billiards endeavor are not only IN BB, they are magnified and are likely to be specifically promoted.
As to the comment that all proponents of BB are in their pockets.... I'm not...
I happen to just like the game and while it is direct competition for something I have had in the works for several years, I don't see it as a negative if it manages to take off...
Jaden
You don't need the games current fans, hell alienate every single current billiards fan and it wouldn't mean jack.
You could have EVERY current fan in the bag and nothing you do would be viable.
You HAVE to get mass interest in order for anything billiard related to become viable as a self sustaining revenue generator.
What has been done obviously isn't working. The most successful thing out there (mosconi cup) has several things that other attempts don't.
Team rivalry, something for the masses to get behind...."USA, USA, USA..." "Europe, Europe, Europe"...
A team based format so that you can choose which individuals to route for, different strokes for different folks, etc...
Guess what???? All of these things that differentiate the most successful current billiards endeavor are not only IN BB, they are magnified and are likely to be specifically promoted.
As to the comment that all proponents of BB are in their pockets.... I'm not...
I happen to just like the game and while it is direct competition for something I have had in the works for several years, I don't see it as a negative if it manages to take off...
Jaden
And why is that then?
I was merely making a light hearted joke and not being serious, as this thread is getting too serious. English humor is very sarcastic, so should be taken with a pinch of salt, i wasn't being rude i was making a joke. Text is read how you perceived it not how i meant it.
Seems to me all the bashing being done, is a conflict of interest!! And lap dogs standing up for their masters. Sit boy, give me your paw..
If I were you, working with Bonus Ball, I'd be keeping a low profile on this forum about anything controversial. Because of your recent experience at the U.S. Open 9-Ball Championship, you're already touted as one of the "Boxing Brits." I'm not sure I'd like a Boxing Brit refereeing my match. Referees, like umpires and even judges in legal proceedings, should remain neutral at all times, not instigating.