Yes, it does.
So is there footage of the famous 1990's Challenge of Champions dumping scandal?
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Yes, it does.
ChrisBanks
Banned
If the act is bad, does it necessarily make the acting person bad? I don't know the answer.
Point is well made, and, as you note, even the finest of men make serious mistakes. The countless contributions to the game of those involved in this unpunished felony are not erased.
Nonetheless, in our society, betting on a sporting event in which you are a professional participant is often grounds for denial of admission to the hall of fame in your sport. In pool, dishonesty is celebrated far too often and tolerated far too often, explaining in part why pool has struggled to escape its image as a game played by predatory cheats.
Mention the name Shoeless Joe Jackson to any baseball enthusiast and what they think of is a guy who participated in the fix of the 1919 World Series, not the .356 career hitter that Babe Ruth described as "the best hitter I ever saw." Pete Rose, also among the all-time greats as a player, is better known for betting on sporting events over which he himself had some control as a manager. Neither is in the Baseball Hall of Fame and both are rightly viewed as tragic figures.
In pool, those who conspired to fix the 1991 Challenge of Champions are lucky not to have permanently tarnished reputations like Shoeless Joe Jackson and Pete Rose, and are just as lucky to have not compromised their chances at hall of fame induction.
No, he's not kidding. (see below)
Although i'll never understand how me having the video, somehow transformed to me being OBLIGATED to upload it or sell it because EVERYONE ELSE wanted me to, whatever their reason.
People need to get a grip with that garbage.
And of course, when the people start in with all the comments when i don't sell it or upload it...lol
...i mean, seriously.
What do people expect.
Did they really think that insults and negative reps were somehow going to sway me and make me WANT to upload it or sell it?
They can go play in traffic for all i care.
SS it had nothing to do with you not selling it or uploading it.
It was your "I got something you don't have attitude " FTR
You could have easily said.... I don't want to be responsible for airing that match. Dont fool yourself
How true, great post brother, i believe most of us did things that we shouldnt of done for money, i know i did, but the older i become the wiser i become and dont put myself in that position anymore!
El-ahrairah
Banned
I don't feel any worse about any of the players involved, if the allegations are true. If we were talking about a sport where the professionals could afford to feed a family, fine. But this is pool.
The way I see it, the worst paid caddy in golf makes more than the highest earning professionals in pool. The US Open winner got half of what they paid decades ago and the check bounced to boot. Let them eat cake, imo.
/cake rant
The way I see it, the worst paid caddy in golf makes more than the highest earning professionals in pool. The US Open winner got half of what they paid decades ago and the check bounced to boot. Let them eat cake, imo.
/cake rant
Lots and lots of judgement here.
Pro pool players are very skilled individuals that really (at least in the US) have a very very tough time making a living at their craft. What did the 100th player on the PGA Tour make this year ?, $1,009,769.40 plus appearance money, plus endorsement deals, plus unofficial purses. What did the 100th best pool player in America cash this year?
The majority of PGA Tour players don't gamble (except for fun) and I dare say they don't shave or save. Do you really think this is because they are better people ? Please, they don't because they don't have to.
A pool player in the US gambles because he has to to earn a living, either that or take a job. For anybody but maybe the top 3 or 4 guys this is the case. If you gamble for a living you do what gamblers do. Gamblers in order to exist have to make moves to skew the odds, otherwise they are gambling, and gambling by its nature is a 50/50 deal and that won't put food on the table.
Easy to say pool players put themselves in this position, but really isn't that just chicken and egg stuff? Does anybody who knows Jim Rempe really want to say he was in anyway responsible for the downfall of pool?
I'm sure we have a far different judgement of an extremely rich movie star caught shoplifting than we do of some poor guy stealing from a supermarket to feed his family. And I'm sure we have all done things sometimes in our lives, because we felt it was necessary, that we wouldn't relish being brought into the light of day.
Kevin
Pro pool players are very skilled individuals that really (at least in the US) have a very very tough time making a living at their craft. What did the 100th player on the PGA Tour make this year ?, $1,009,769.40 plus appearance money, plus endorsement deals, plus unofficial purses. What did the 100th best pool player in America cash this year?
The majority of PGA Tour players don't gamble (except for fun) and I dare say they don't shave or save. Do you really think this is because they are better people ? Please, they don't because they don't have to.
A pool player in the US gambles because he has to to earn a living, either that or take a job. For anybody but maybe the top 3 or 4 guys this is the case. If you gamble for a living you do what gamblers do. Gamblers in order to exist have to make moves to skew the odds, otherwise they are gambling, and gambling by its nature is a 50/50 deal and that won't put food on the table.
Easy to say pool players put themselves in this position, but really isn't that just chicken and egg stuff? Does anybody who knows Jim Rempe really want to say he was in anyway responsible for the downfall of pool?
I'm sure we have a far different judgement of an extremely rich movie star caught shoplifting than we do of some poor guy stealing from a supermarket to feed his family. And I'm sure we have all done things sometimes in our lives, because we felt it was necessary, that we wouldn't relish being brought into the light of day.
Kevin
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I said I won't be uploading it and I said I won't be selling it.
But apparently, that was too complicated for some people.
I guess you are also ok with everyone thinking I am obligated to upload it or sell it because that's what everyone wanted, right?
Only reason any screenshots were taken was to stop the thread from going down the "he doesn't have it, he's full of it" path and to piss off any bent out of shape people that were starting to get feisty with the comments, or those who think that they are important because they throw money around.
If they didn't chime in, no screenshots would have been posted.
If they can throw out insults, they can deal with some needling in return.
But that's ok.
Feel free to read my mind anytime.
Maybe you should open up a psychic shop.
That's BS. It was a free roll at 50 thousand. Dam right I think less of everyone involved in that scam. They should have prosecuted their azz
If they wanted to split then fine. Don't throw the match and throw the people putting up the money under the bus. I don't care what sport it is. A cashier makes no money.... Let them steal out the register or scam the store. No difference
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God, I thought it would never happen, but I agree with SuperStar here.
This group bullying is reprehensible as it the negative assumptions leading to judgement.
I don't see into SS's mind any better than any of you, but really can't anyone come up with a positive possible reason SS doesn't want to share his video?
Not saying this is the case, but it has to at least be as possible as, "he won't share it because he's just a big meanie". Lets say Mike Lebron was your friend. Lets say you owned a video that could be seen as showing your friend in a bad light. Would you share it just because some people bully you to?
What blows my mind is that when we mind read we always attach such negative motivations to the OTHER person. Really, we are just guessing what the other person thinks, and those guesses are coming from our own heads. So, really, when we are making negative guesses at someone else's thought and motivations it it really them we are talking about? Or is it us?
Kevin
This group bullying is reprehensible as it the negative assumptions leading to judgement.
I don't see into SS's mind any better than any of you, but really can't anyone come up with a positive possible reason SS doesn't want to share his video?
Not saying this is the case, but it has to at least be as possible as, "he won't share it because he's just a big meanie". Lets say Mike Lebron was your friend. Lets say you owned a video that could be seen as showing your friend in a bad light. Would you share it just because some people bully you to?
What blows my mind is that when we mind read we always attach such negative motivations to the OTHER person. Really, we are just guessing what the other person thinks, and those guesses are coming from our own heads. So, really, when we are making negative guesses at someone else's thought and motivations it it really them we are talking about? Or is it us?
Kevin
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All I know is that eBay auction is gonna be mine. Props for the find
I think the eBay auction is CreeDo (the OP of this thread), and, if so, he is a marketing genius along the lines of Dean.
Kevin
If so ...... Great move . Maybe we can all go in together and buy and share it
See? There you are promoting a saver, doing business against the honest auctioneer. Shame on you , you ruined DVD Sales, its on you.
Kevin
I know... Shame on me lmao :grin-square:
So, if we assume SuperStar is just standing and defending his friend, instead of him being the Grinch that stole Christmas, considering the onslaught and assault he withstood and still stood by his pal, he's a pretty stand-up guy.
Stand up hero or Grinch. Its all perspective. The facts are the same, only the assumptions change.
Kevin
Stand up hero or Grinch. Its all perspective. The facts are the same, only the assumptions change.
Kevin
It doesn't matter really.
Certain people are still going to get bent out of shape when they don't get what they want and can't influence the outcome.
Let alone, when you reply to an unprompted insult, with an (OMG
GASP)... insult.Then they just flat out lose their minds when that happens.
This thread is a good example of that.
It doesn't matter really.
Certain people are still going to get bent out of shape when they don't get what they want and can't influence the outcome.
Let alone, when you reply to an unprompted insult, with an (OMG
Then they just flat out lose their minds when that happens.
This thread is a good example of that.
Its all an interesting dynamic, including the "he started it" finger pointing, which you've got to admit, its pretty childish behavior (right along with the bullying).
Kevin
This is correct. It was the "douchiness' of it all. I could give two shits if he/she posted the link