Poll: Bonus Ball: More Support Playing 8, 9, Or 10 Ball?

Bonus Ball: More Support Playing 8, 9, Or 10 Ball?

  • No - More Support Playing Bonus Ball

    Votes: 17 10.8%
  • Yes - More Support Playing 8 Ball

    Votes: 59 37.6%
  • Yes - More Support Playing 9 Ball

    Votes: 32 20.4%
  • Yes - More Support Playing 10 Ball

    Votes: 49 31.2%

  • Total voters
    157
The guys playing Bonus Ball are hoping it will be great for our sport, but they are not saying it WILL be great, as you claim. That's something that remains to be seen. What they are saying is that it is a great game, and they are saying so, not because they are being paid to say so, but because they really believe it is. They are being paid to play, and that's all they are being paid for.

Roger

What I was saying is they are saying it is a great game and yes they are being paid to say it. If you work at Ford you are gonna say that Ford has the best product. In other words if the product fails you are out of a job. They are being paid to work there and promote the product. I'm not saying its a bad thing just not sure if it will catch on. Again just my 2 cents.
 
With a few more votes, the results speak for themselves, most voters, myself included, believe that BB was/is not the best choice in an otherwise good business and marketing plan.

I also believe that these results were/are quite predictable, and find it very "unusual" and puzzling if the developers of BB didn't also realize this. I can't help but wonder what the reasoning behind their choice to ignore the obvious was.

Time will tell. :)

J
 
... So the question is: Do you think that Bonus Ball would have had greater support within the pool community had they opted to play 8, 9, or 10 ball rather than "bonus ball"? ...

But what if the ultimate target market is not the current "pool community"? What if it is people who currently know nothing about 8-, 9-, or 10-ball? What if the objective was to develop a game that would be interesting for people who currently carry no pool baggage at all?
 
But what if the ultimate target market is not the current "pool community"? What if it is people who currently know nothing about 8-, 9-, or 10-ball? What if the objective was to develop a game that would be interesting for people who currently carry no pool baggage at all?

I hear what you're saying, but I think that if the target market is people who have not heard of the games you have mentioned, then they have not ever seen a pool table before, period. In the states at least, pool is synonymous with 8 ball, end of story. I thought that way too until the first time I saw the diamond pattern rack of 9 ball in my first pool hall at age 17. I thought that pool was 8 ball and that was the only game that ever existed. I'm sure many out there have a similar notion.
 
So the question is: Do you think that Bonus Ball would have had greater support within the pool community had they opted to play 8, 9, or 10 ball rather than "bonus ball"? J

I'm somewhat confused why 1 question was started with a No vote and 3 questions started with a Yes vote.

I would like to see a game using 4 stripes and 4 solid balls. ( The first ball that pockets is your group of 4 )
Every time a ball in your group pockets, you must pocket the 8. The 8 spots center table, as in bonus ball.
You win after pocketing the 8 after all the 4 balls in your own group pocket. Scoring could be for points.

It would be similar to 8 ball, faster, and everyone would understand the rules quickly, unlike Bonus Ball. IMO
 
But what if the ultimate target market is not the current "pool community"? What if it is people who currently know nothing about 8-, 9-, or 10-ball? What if the objective was to develop a game that would be interesting for people who currently carry no pool baggage at all?

I'm sure that in the mind of every "creator", the ultimate target market is to capture a "national" and "international" clientele, that's always the dream. But, without major national media marketing efforts and exposure, national and/or international corporate sponsors, media coverage guarantees, major money backers, first rate business talent, immediate player recognition, and much more, it's not very likely.

BB is making a very good attempt to reach their target market, the pool player, their current effort is to deliver their product via internet streaming, and they are here on AZ trying to gain support from the pool community. Their efforts, and business plan, are certainly noteworthy and valiant, but far from what is necessary to target and capture the general public. IMO.

J
 
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More support for which game?

I am in sketchy service area or I would go into my thoughts a little bit more. Some of the posts are (IMO) very spot on - others are way off.

I am in favor of whatever will help pool in the long run.

My fear is that this will just show the pool world that no matter how much money is thrown at pool, it cannot succeed and become more popular.

BUT that is the wrong answer! There is an answer for pool.

Hopefully aftere the first of the year, I will be able to elaborate in a. Little more detail.

I will say this - if I had the money the IPT put into pool, it would have done more good. Sadly, i feel the same things towards Bonus Ball.

As said before, I wish BB the best luck in the world. But so many of the answers are really kind obvious. All it takes is some communication.

Mark Griffin
 
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I don't know if "pool teams" would cause a new pool endeavor to become popular, though I get the thinking... having teams to root for is a good ingredient when trying to make any sport popular.

Krupa's got it right. Currently, I could walk into a pool hall and say "Right now, the United States team is lagging 12 points behind Team Europe and 7 points being Team China in the World Pool Team Tournament, they're playing for $100,000 grand prize"

...and half the people in the pool hall would just say "oh really? cool". They'd swallow it because they don't know or care what teams, tournaments, or players are involved in professional pool.

A bunch of others would say "oh really? I'm into pool but hadn't heard about that event" ('into pool' means they've heard of earl and efren, in addition to the black widow).

And the 7 guys in the pool hall that are serious about pool, who already know about AZB and TAR and have heard of Shane or Orcullo... those guys would know I'm just making it up. I honestly think these are the only guys who would actively care and root for the "LA Wave", whether the Wave is playing bonus ball or 9 ball.

I think you have it right on the mark ! I'm amazed whenever I play here and see guys play everyday day in a day out and we get to talking about shots or something and I say I read so and so on azbillards and they say what is that? these are guys that play good and play alot but if they even don't know what az is what fate do you really think bonus ball will have?
 
I am in sketchy service area or I would go into my thoughts a little bit more. Some of the posts are (IMO) very spot on - others are way off.

I am in favor of whatever will help pool in the long run.

My fear is that this will just show the pool world that no matter how much money is thrown at pool, it cannot succeed and become more popular.

BUT that is the wrong answer! There is an answer for pool.

Hopefully aftere the first of the year, I will be able to elaborate in a. Little more detail.

I will say this - if I had the money the IPT put into pool, it would have done more good. Sadly, i feel the same things towards Bonus Ball.

As said before, I wish BB the best luck in the world. But so many of the answers are really kind obvious. All it takes is some communication.

Mark Griffin

Of course there is an answer Mark....and everyone will immediately know it when they see it. It will be clearly recognizable, will blend in, and will benefit the entire "community", that's the key which will allow it to work. It will not involve a con man with a Ponzi qualifier business model, nor a new game and equipment creation.

I, too, wish BB the best of luck, but I wonder why they ignore the constructive feedback.

J
 
I'm sorry but you've all got it wrong. One Pocket is the primary game that should be played. I would rather be poor playing one pocket, than rich playing 8-ball.
 
I'm sorry but you've all got it wrong. One Pocket is the primary game that should be played. I would rather be poor playing one pocket, than rich playing 8-ball.

I'm not personally suggesting that they should play 8 Ball, or any other game, in fact, I voted for 10 Ball. It's a poll, this is what the voters support. Sorry I omitted one pocket, but I thought that it was just too long a game.

J
 
I'm sorry but you've all got it wrong. One Pocket is the primary game that should be played. I would rather be poor playing one pocket, than rich playing 8-ball.

Just curious. Do you think a table should be made with only the two corner pocket?

Earl Strickland is seriously advocating a table with no side pockets.
 
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Took me awhile. Did not take to Bonus Ball initially (I prefer watching 8 ball or 10 Ball on the 10' table) but after watching the matches that they have on their web site and taking the time to absorb the rules/strategies etc. I quite like it.
 
What about the two pocket table for one pocket? Do you think it would enhance the game?

That's kind of a cool idea. I wonder if it wouldn't break the game down a little though. Players wedge the balls up there, and usually one of them falls in the hole and gets back in place. But without the hole, it seems like you have to almost sell out a bank to get balls back in play.
 
Ultimately, the answer of all your questions lies inside the mind of the two promoters. I was from a racing promotion back ground who loved banging balls! Eight Ball was all I loved because it was all I knew! I first saw it in the bars as a game called Boston and then simply as solid and stripes! Neither name is any better than Bonus Ball or Jaberwocky for that matter! As I improved my game the more I wanted to play more difficult games. As you gain cue ball control, you also make the game of eight ball less exciting. That is, unless
you love potting balls, and there is nothing wrong with that. I was searching for more than that when I first met Larry and his interesting game! Part Snooker and part pool!

The first thing I recognised was the difference between the top amateur pool player and the "pros" was not much at all playing eight ball. I saw Shane Van Boening almost knocked to the B side in his first match at an amateur pool tournament by somebody I never heard of. Now, I knew before Earl Strickland first said to me...no plumber, electrician or any other part time player would beat him playing Bonus Ball. I truly believe that is the way professional pool needs to be.

In Nascar, Bill Frances built his sport by making that insanely fast two and a half mile track (daytona) and said ok boys, get on it! What it did was seperate the men from the boys! I can drive head to head on a local dirt track with any of the top NASCAR drivers but throw me against them on a mile paved track and im toast. Nobody in the racing community longs for NASCAR and the top professionals to drive dirt track modifieds like mine! I still watch NAScAR. Why do pool player insist that professionals should play simple games like Eight ball?

Bonus Ball, the game does seperate the men from the boys. That is why Larry chose to play this unknown game as the game of choice of his professional league. A gamble? Probably, the reasoning, simple, to seperate the men and the boys. The most complete and utterly devastating nine ball player this year at the US Open, actually looks rather average in the Bonus Ball videos. www.wpbl.tv

To be fair, your going to see some average nine ball players look insanely good playing Bonus Ball! The Bonus Ball Break and Shoot, totally takes away the huge breaking advantage and that levels the playing field. In this game you need to possess a lot of the all around skills found in one pocket and bank pool. Why? The three pockets of Bonus Ball. It plays a lot more like One pocket at full speed which many agree is a fantastic and strategic game.

To end this rather short story on why the hell Chiborak has stuck by the hard choice of presenting Bonus Ball as the game of the WPBL professionals is nothing against any of the other games mentioned. It is because this game is really exciting, strategic and challenging to play! Take some time and simply watch the game, the strategy and how much harder it is for players to keep holding position for only three pockets and then maybe you can understand the substance of this game! It is structured beautifully! Many of the top players in the world helped Larry structure it from Darren Appleton, Johnny Archer and the world famous, Mike Massey!


Larry's league is a crap shoot if will it generate the excitement and income to make billiards an accepted sport outside the world of nine ball or eight ball. Especially to people that don't have the vision of the Canadian who invented basketball in Canada, in a country that loves hockey. The vision of NASCAR that decided to build a big bloody insane fast race track to make their professionals above the rest of the local drivers. The vision of a great American who decided he wanted to make the United States the first country to put a man on the moon! Larry will go down in history as either a great visionary or another poor pool promoter. He should never walk away from billiards looking as a failure if this does not work out for him! The game will continue to gather a following either way. It's simply a real good billiard game! Thank you Larry Chiborak for pioneering this game! I love Bonus Ball!

PS next time let me hire the dam construction company for the next venue in New York!
 
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That's kind of a cool idea. I wonder if it wouldn't break the game down a little though. Players wedge the balls up there, and usually one of them falls in the hole and gets back in place. But without the hole, it seems like you have to almost sell out a bank to get balls back in play.

Real King Cobra had photo's on here about a Diamond with a rail set that could be changed out to leave a table with just two pockets. Too lazy to search for a link.
 
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