should we make new tournament rule/ipods?

George said:
I personally don't mind someone wearing ear buds or headphones however texting is a whole other issue. It's the same as taking a call during a match, don't do it.
Anyone who doesn't have the patience to wait till after their match is just plain inconsiderate, period. You shoot or you stand/sit and wait for your turn at the table. Most of you younger guys just don't get it, probably your parents fault. This is the same generation that gets a trophy just for participating :rolleyes: Instant gratification is a must :rolleyes:
I personally turn my ringer off on my phone and check it when my match is over. What is so damn important that you can't do the same thing??? That question was directed at everyone who thinks it's okay to text or take a call during your match.
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I have a child with special needs, and I am responsible for the business that i run. I have to be available. Sorry if that offends you.

I look at the phone to see who or what it is. If it isn't important, I leave it alone. If I have to answer it, I apologize and explain why.

Pretty simple, huh? Being a responsible father and employee, yep, that is my parents fault, thanks.
 
Under those circumstances Dub, it is completely understandable.

And seeing that you give your opponent the consideration of an explanation as well.
 
Hey dub, I understand there are sometimes special circumstances, I'm not that unreasonable. But these posts aren't aimed at someone like you.

What would you have done 10 or 15 years ago when this technology wasn't available?
 
Ipod

George said:
Hey dub, I understand there are sometimes special circumstances, I'm not that unreasonable. But these posts aren't aimed at someone like you.

What would you have done 10 or 15 years ago when this technology wasn't available?
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Ipod's are banned during match play on the Midwest 9 ball tour, pretty sure it is not the only tour that they are banned during tournament play.:rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
4 bears 8ball classic. 10k added

4 bears 8ball classic , we use the no cell phone use during matches rule................it works fine, no one *****ed about it.
 
George said:
Hey dub, I understand there are sometimes special circumstances, I'm not that unreasonable. But these posts aren't aimed at someone like you.

What would you have done 10 or 15 years ago when this technology wasn't available?
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15 years ago my son was still an infant, and i wouldn't have been playing pool. We did have cell phones then, though nothing like today, and my boss wouldn't have expected me to be able to be in touch all the time like I have to be now. (You couldn't depend on the phones then, and they certainly weren't small enough to take with us, though i recall having a pager that worked just fine...I would have had to look at that, too...)

My response was merely to point out that blanket statements about phone users could be almost as rude as the people using them in a match. I'm quite sure there are many responsible people who have their phones available while playing.

And yes, it annoys me when someone doesn't pay attention to their match, for whatever reason. Phones, smoking, girlfriends/boyfriends, there are lots of distractions.

I would love to play with headphones, to block out the surrounding noises, but since they are against the rules if/when we get to the state-level tournament, I don't want to become accustomed to using them. I'm quite sure that I would be attentive, and they wouldn't be an issue, but again, I can see how people would abuse it, and make it an issue. Not to mention the potential for cheating....

I'll climb down off my soapbox now....
 
George said:
Hey dub, I understand there are sometimes special circumstances, I'm not that unreasonable. But these posts aren't aimed at someone like you.

What would you have done 10 or 15 years ago when this technology wasn't available?
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He would have stayed at home and taken care of his circumstances instead of being out playing pool. Just like he should be doing now.

JC
 
I view texting during the match the same as I do when someone is talking on the phone during a round of golf. Is it against the rules, no, but just because you're technically allowed to do something doesn't necessarily mean you aren't an asshole for doing it.

If it's a one time thing and you make it short, whatever. Stuff happens. If it's a continuing problem, then I'll generally start by giving the offender a non-verbal warning. The "knock it off before I kill you" look. If they continue, I'll give them a verbal warning. "Hey bud, we're here to play pool, not play on our phones."

I've never had anyone continue after the verbal warning. Generally, when you confront someone and call them out on their bullshit, they will usually be embarrassed about it and stop their crap immediately. If someone ever did continue after that, I'd contact a tournament director or move tables if it was a social match.
 
Play pool. Talk/text later. It's wrong. It's rude. Keep other business & BS separate business.
 
justadub said:
15 years ago my son was still an infant, and i wouldn't have been playing pool. We did have cell phones then, though nothing like today, and my boss wouldn't have expected me to be able to be in touch all the time like I have to be now. (You couldn't depend on the phones then, and they certainly weren't small enough to take with us, though i recall having a pager that worked just fine...I would have had to look at that, too...)

My response was merely to point out that blanket statements about phone users could be almost as rude as the people using them in a match. I'm quite sure there are many responsible people who have their phones available while playing.

And yes, it annoys me when someone doesn't pay attention to their match, for whatever reason. Phones, smoking, girlfriends/boyfriends, there are lots of distractions.

I would love to play with headphones, to block out the surrounding noises, but since they are against the rules if/when we get to the state-level tournament, I don't want to become accustomed to using them. I'm quite sure that I would be attentive, and they wouldn't be an issue, but again, I can see how people would abuse it, and make it an issue. Not to mention the potential for cheating....

I'll climb down off my soapbox now....
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Unfortunately, the "what ifs" in describing various circumstances that "could" occur take away from the original post and the context therein. You seem to be reasonable and would be respectfull of opponents. Oldplayer said it best when he referred to it as a matter of respect. I do not think anyone would object to an opponent indicating that he was on call, for any reason, and would have to check his texts. An opponent that was constantly texting while he should be playing is not acceptable for any reason.
 
Icon of Sin said:
Deal with it or don't enter the tournament.

<----uses headphones, sometimes texts, rarely takes calls.
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mia said:
Really. This is something you just need to get past. It's not sharking and frankly, if your mental game is so bad that someone holding a phone in front of their face distracts you, you need to concern yourself more with YOUR ability/inability to focus and LESS with what someone else is doing.

If its happening so often your opponent is delaying the match (because he's texting when he should be at the table) I can understand. Apart from that, it should be none of your concern.
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Icon of Sin said:
You are right. If more of us adopted the "repect for others" mindset our society would be better off. However that is not going to happen.

For the most part I am respectful when I shoot and respectful to others in general. I dont hold the match up unless I have something that I need to take care of. If you feel me wearing headphones when Im playing a stranger in a tourney disrespectful, well that's tough and your opinion.

One thing I dont like though is someone trying to make someone else conform to their beliefs which they feel are correct (when in fact they are from an older time). Today's world revolves around texting and mobile phones. All I can say is, get with the times and deal with.

If someone is holding the match up due to a text or some other non-match bullshit... I deal with it. I dont expect him to do what I want him to do or play the speed i want him to play. Just gotta suck it up.

Now if he is holding up the match on most of his turns then yeah, it's a problem and get the TD.
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cleary said:
I use headphones and sometimes respond to a text. I don't find it disrespectful at all. How is waiting on me to chalk, get out a jump cue, finding a scuffer in my case, placing an order with a server, or thinking about what I'm going to do any different? Just be patient and play your game. You cannot shark someone who doesn't let things get to them. If you let something bother you, you're only sharking yourself and making excuses.
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My apologies dub, as I said before I wasn't directing that post towards you. These posts are the ones that kind of aggravated me because they obviously don't get it and don't understand proper pool etiquette. I should have quoted them originally.

To you three above, do some research on proper pool etiquette and then try to show some. Your collective attitudes are terrible. I'll get you started.

http://suite101.com/article/etiquette-when-playing-pool-billiards-and-snooker-a276485

You all probably think it's okay to take or make a call or text in a movie theater too.
 
George said:
What is so damn important that you can't do the same thing??? That question was directed at everyone who thinks it's okay to text or take a call during your match.
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My wife, my kids, my job.

Those are more important then a pool match to me. Even if it is just my wife texting me to ask how things are going.

Look everyone Im not saying I'm just going to sit there and hold you up while I text. If I text its going to be while im in the seat and it's not going to be holding anyone up. My ringer on my phone is normally off and I have it on vibrate so Im not bothering my opponent. When it's my turn I will put the phone away (provided it is not already put away) and go shoot. I rarely text or take calls during a match. I dont sit there on my phone every second I'm not down on a shot, but if I get a text and want to respond to it, I damn sure will. If I get a call that I need to take, I will walk away from the table and let my opponent continue shooting.

Now, when it comes to someone texting when it is there turn I generally dont have a problem with it either as long as they arent making a habit out of it. A few times a match is acceptable to me. I dont really care.. it's a sign of the times. Most people in the poolhall these days and in local tournies are the younger generation. This is what they do and how they are and it's not going to change no matter how much anyone *****es on a pool fourm or to a TD, or the League Operator, or their local minister.

That's just how it is these days.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong. I'm just saying it's time to conform to the new normal instead of trying to make the majority conform to you.
 
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Icon of Sin said:
My wife, my kids, my job.

Those are more important then a pool match to me. Even if it is just my wife texting me to ask how things are going.

Look everyone Im not saying I'm just going to sit there and hold you up while I text. If I text its going to be while im in the seat and it's not going to be holding anyone up. My ringer on my phone is normally off and I have it on vibrate so Im not bothering my opponent. When it's my turn I will put the phone away (provided it is not already put away) and go shoot. I rarely text or take calls during a match. I dont sit there on my phone every second I'm not down on a shot, but if I get a text and want to respond to it, I damn sure will. If I get a call that I need to take, I will walk away from the table and let my opponent continue shooting.

Now, when it comes to someone texting when it is there turn I generally dont have a problem with it either as long as they arent making a habit out of it. A few times a match is acceptable to me. I dont really care.. it's a sign of the times. Most people in the poolhall these days and in local tournies are the younger generation. This is what they do and how they are and it's not going to change no matter how much anyone *****es on a pool fourm or to a TD, or the League Operator, or their local minister.

That's just how it is these days.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong. I'm just saying it's time to conform to the new normal instead of trying to make the majority conform to you.
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I will have to disagree with you on this and leave you with these thoughts.

"Etiquette means behaving yourself a little better than is absolutely essential."
Will Cuppy

"Good manners are just a way of showing other people that we have respect for them."
Bill Kelly

"One thing I dont like though is someone trying to make someone else conform to their beliefs which they feel are correct"
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George said:
"One thing I dont like though is someone trying to make someone else conform to their beliefs which they feel are correct"
Icon of Sin
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Touche...

But that quote should actually say:

"One thing I dont like though is someone trying to make someone else conform to their beliefs which they feel are correct when they are not."

Which would apply to you...
 
Icon of Sin said:
Touche...

But that quote should actually say:

"One thing I dont like though is someone trying to make someone else conform to their beliefs which they feel are correct when they are not."

Which would apply to you...
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Actually no, I was just pointing out the hypocrisy of your statement. In one post you write:

Icon of Sin said:
"One thing I dont like though is someone trying to make someone else conform to their beliefs which they feel are correct when they are not."
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Then in another you write:

Icon of Sin said:
" I'm just saying it's time to conform to the new normal instead of trying to make the majority conform to you."
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I'm actually part of the majority on this topic in case you haven't noticed and I find it funny that you think I'm supposed to conform while you're unwilling to. Not to mention the fact that you've conveniently ignored everything I've said about etiquette.
 
texting

Would you be texting during our $100 set?
If I miss while your texting, good luck getting paid!

Pretty soon newborns will just have a chip installed in their heads. Just show the mininum respect for your opponents, not too much to ask.
 
George said:
Actually no, I was just pointing out the hypocrisy of your statement. In one post you write:



Then in another you write:



I'm actually part of the majority on this topic in case you haven't noticed and I find it funny that you think I'm supposed to conform while you're unwilling to. Not to mention the fact that you've conveniently ignored everything I've said about etiquette.
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You're right about the hypocrisy, which is why I corrected my quote.

Along the lines of the etiquette quotes you posted, these people have no link to our current day or the situation we are talking about and are therefore void. They are from business practices or from an era that is long gone, much like the etiqquette beliefs that you are spouting about.

Sorry, but neither apply pool or the current generation.
 
Personally, I don't care if my opponent respects me or not. I would prefer that they're polite but if not, I try to think that they're spending more energy being rude than in their game.

Bottom line:
It is not a requirement to be polite in a game.
It is not a requirement to show respect to an opponent.

IF it is a requirement to refrain from head phones/ear buds, I'm sure those here that are saying they use them, would not.
 
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