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"Ding dong daddy"
Bert is a hoot.
"Ding dong daddy"
Bert is a hoot.
$100 lesson from Bert Kinister
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Berts other location was in Mechanicsburgh PA. It was close to Harrisburgh. I was never in the room but from the videos shot there the place looked to be pretty amazing.
Berts videos have ton of useful info on them. I never took a lesson from him but starting from tape 1 and then working the nine pointed star for 3 months took my game levels up the ladder. I have every video and spent time with every drill he put out there. People that buy the dvds and dont put in the time will never see the value he has put in these lessons. There are other titles that cover secrets for hitting certain shots that are so amazing. Ive won tons of games knocking down these gems.
The 100 dollar lesson mentioned in the op title has so much info on it its sick.
Hopefully some day i get lucky enough to get lessons from Bert.
Another note is if you have any of berts work and need help, pick up the phone and give him a call. The guy is always there for help.
Berts other location was in Mechanicsburgh PA. It was close to Harrisburgh. I was never in the room but from the videos shot there the place looked to be pretty amazing.
Berts videos have ton of useful info on them. I never took a lesson from him but starting from tape 1 and then working the nine pointed star for 3 months took my game levels up the ladder. I have every video and spent time with every drill he put out there. People that buy the dvds and dont put in the time will never see the value he has put in these lessons. There are other titles that cover secrets for hitting certain shots that are so amazing. Ive won tons of games knocking down these gems.
The 100 dollar lesson mentioned in the op title has so much info on it its sick.
Hopefully some day i get lucky enough to get lessons from Bert.
Another note is if you have any of berts work and need help, pick up the phone and give him a call. The guy is always there for help.
You have every video? That's a lot of them, in the 60s? I have to say that not all are useful, and some are just repeating the same drill with different patterns. Probably half the videos could be condensed in a 4-1 ration with several drills in the same one. There are only a handful that I would watch more than once.
100 videos total
Berts style is to enforce the importance of each shot. Alot of people say he could condense a few together. Maybe he could. Slot of them have a lesson with players of all levels attempting to learn the drills. I watch the videos all the time and there are a few i agree with ya on. For the money involved and the knowledge to be learned theres not many better than Berts dvds. But for them to be good you have to get on the table and apply the effort to see the results. Hell if we all just watched videos and could be world champs what fun would that be.
Bert made his last dvds this past year totaling 100. Titles. Thats a great accomplishment. Hes hanging up.his camera and focusing on playing.
I have tons of dvds from anyone that ever put them out. My favorites that i learned the most from. All Grady Matthews dvds. The monk series but with Tom Rossman teaching kicking and banks. And Cj Wileys are awsome.
Berts style is to enforce the importance of each shot. Alot of people say he could condense a few together. Maybe he could. Slot of them have a lesson with players of all levels attempting to learn the drills. I watch the videos all the time and there are a few i agree with ya on. For the money involved and the knowledge to be learned theres not many better than Berts dvds. But for them to be good you have to get on the table and apply the effort to see the results. Hell if we all just watched videos and could be world champs what fun would that be.
Bert made his last dvds this past year totaling 100. Titles. Thats a great accomplishment. Hes hanging up.his camera and focusing on playing.
I have tons of dvds from anyone that ever put them out. My favorites that i learned the most from. All Grady Matthews dvds. The monk series but with Tom Rossman teaching kicking and banks. And Cj Wileys are awsome.
Bert's stuff is decent. Have to wade through rants and fast forward through endless repetitions but many of the baseline drills and patterns are quite useful to work on and master. I have probably 30 - 40 of the videos, have only really watched a handful, but of those that I watched I diagrammed the shots or patterns with notes to take to the table, that way I wouldn't have to watch them again... 
Scott
Scott
I think the repetition and live stuff without editing is part of Bert's teaching method. He wants to show that his shots aren't doctored or edited.
It is also intersting to see the mistakes that the students make and he just tells them to do it again trying to get them to figure out what to do. He will finally demonstrate his way. Sometimes he also misses and just starts over again showing what can happen if you don't put everything into every shot.
I know a player that was one of his first students before he started making tapes. He would go to Chicago every weekend that he could and would actually stay at Bert's house. He said the best part was in the evening Bert would take him and they would make the rounds with Bert hustling.
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It is also intersting to see the mistakes that the students make and he just tells them to do it again trying to get them to figure out what to do. He will finally demonstrate his way. Sometimes he also misses and just starts over again showing what can happen if you don't put everything into every shot.
I know a player that was one of his first students before he started making tapes. He would go to Chicago every weekend that he could and would actually stay at Bert's house. He said the best part was in the evening Bert would take him and they would make the rounds with Bert hustling.
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Bert's stuff
His videos are quirky and I have watched a really large number of them. I have watched some very high quality videos from others and could question the content. These are poor videos from a video production standpoint. However from a training standpoint they are loaded with some golden nuggets.
His videos are quirky and I have watched a really large number of them. I have watched some very high quality videos from others and could question the content. These are poor videos from a video production standpoint. However from a training standpoint they are loaded with some golden nuggets.
Yes, that's pretty much how the lessons went. Once my fundamentals were correct we worked on different drills. Either certain drills to improve a trouble area or just the next drill in the procession of the learning curve.
Oh yeah, the Yakuza copy guard. It will damage the head on the lead recorder.
I have seen all of them as well, up to around #60, and my favorite was the one about the break shot. He puts a piece of chalk on the table and says something like "you gotta, gotta, you gotta hit this sucker, and drive this right through the wall", I laughed till I had tears in my eyes.
They all had a few laughs in them, but at the time, I don't think there was anything that came close to helping my game improve more. Maybe Gradys "Only Kicks" and the Grady 1 pocket. Kinister knows his stuff, but you have to put in the time, like anything else. His drills work.
The best way to watch some of these Kinister tapes was after a few drinks, and watch the enthusiasm that this guy puts in to teaching.
I still go back from time to time, and watch some of them.
I have a few too, and my favorite is the break shot one as well.
When he compares following through on the breakshot with hunting a tiger with a spear it cracks me up all the time.
As far as value for the money, they are excellent.
When he compares following through on the breakshot with hunting a tiger with a spear it cracks me up all the time.
As far as value for the money, they are excellent.
Oh yeah, the Yakuza copy guard. It will damage the head on the lead recorder.
I have seen all of them as well, up to around #60, and my favorite was the one about the break shot. He puts a piece of chalk on the table and says something like "you gotta, gotta, you gotta hit this sucker, and drive this right through the wall", I laughed till I had tears in my eyes.
They all had a few laughs in them, but at the time, I don't think there was anything that came close to helping my game improve more. Maybe Gradys "Only Kicks" and the Grady 1 pocket. Kinister knows his stuff, but you have to put in the time, like anything else. His drills work.
The best way to watch some of these Kinister tapes was after a few drinks, and watch the enthusiasm that this guy puts in to teaching.
I still go back from time to time, and watch some of them.
I started watching him on youtube a couple weeks ago. Good stuff.
He has a religious experience in this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gcg0pDeVc7I
He has a religious experience in this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gcg0pDeVc7I
Bert and I are from the same town...Park Forest IL (30 miles south of Chicago), which now has a new room (Saffire Billiards Lounge). The owner, Ed, used to own the room in Orland Park that closed a couple years ago. The new room is great, has great Diamond equipment, and great food & drink. Az're ScottK lives in PF, and is a good guy to play with, as well as an instructor who knows his stuff too! Bert & I used to both play in Dick Weaver's poolroom in Chicago Heights back in the early 70's. Bert and I also have a close mutual friend who takes lessons from me, because he can't stand Bert's caustic personality when he's teaching! LOL To each their own, but browbeating your student is certainly not my style! Like others have said, the material has many benefits.
Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
That is a good teacher right there, I think there is a quote in zen or kung fu or something "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear". I often find that people want to learn or know certain shots or methods before they are ready for them.
I love Bert's tapes, a few of them have really improved not only my shot making and position but also several other players I showed some of his tricks to.