Cue Tips, Non Layered Vs Layered
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I was all about non-layered for ever. Finally tried a layered tip and I
absolutely love it! I put that baby on and shaped it. Besides the
occasional scuff, I have not had to touch it since.
absolutely love it! I put that baby on and shaped it. Besides the
occasional scuff, I have not had to touch it since.
Your opinions?
I like the non-layered. With the layered, seems you have to take off a whole layer sometimes to get the tip right.
Also...not a problem with me but I have seen where people don't sand the back of the tip evenly. (They sand at an angle) Then when the tip is applied, and shaped...it just isn't right.
Non layered for me, layered glaze to much...
When I was a friendly neighborhood repair person I installed a lot of tips. Hard ones, soft ones, all the ones in the middle, both layered and non-layered, and in my opinion the layered tips are far superior.
Less maintenance. No mushrooming. Long life. Great playability. :smile:
Less maintenance. No mushrooming. Long life. Great playability. :smile:
Your opinions?
I've played with many tips over the years and My preference has been a pressed Triangle. They have always served me right.
A pressed Crown or Champion by Chandivert were also good but I don't think they make them anymore. Triumph's aren't too bad if you press them either.
As for Layered tips. I like original Mori's and Talisman's. I have tried Kamui but considering the bang for my buck they don't enable me to do anything that I can't do with my Triangles.
I soon will be testing an Elite tip which is also a single layer tip.
I just need to install it.
The original medium Moori was the holy grail as far as I am concerned... After Moori went to high production it ceased to exist... So I went back to single layers after 20+ tries at finding the next grail in a layered tip....
With everything I have learned along the way unless it's pigskin, consistency and not performance is what you get from a layered tip...
I will give the ultraskins the benefit of the doubt for now because I have not tested them...
As of yet I have not found a layered tip that doesn't change in hardness and COR values in a matter of 4-6 weeks..
This means that at some point it doesn't matter which layered tip you buy they all are ending up playing like a hard tip with no elasticity over time..... Unless you change them often the tip you buy you won't play with long.. Which is exactly what most pros do.. A month and it's time to retip....
Chris
With everything I have learned along the way unless it's pigskin, consistency and not performance is what you get from a layered tip...
I will give the ultraskins the benefit of the doubt for now because I have not tested them...
As of yet I have not found a layered tip that doesn't change in hardness and COR values in a matter of 4-6 weeks..
This means that at some point it doesn't matter which layered tip you buy they all are ending up playing like a hard tip with no elasticity over time..... Unless you change them often the tip you buy you won't play with long.. Which is exactly what most pros do.. A month and it's time to retip....
Chris
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From my point of view the biggest advantage with layered tips is, that you have so much less trouble with holding the shape- on soft tips you may have to work on it 1 time (bit mushrooming) -but then you ll usually have no problem with this.
Once i have found a tip, where i am really satisfied, i buy a hand or two hands of them from the same charge. Then i m good for several years
But finally the most tips have enough quality to play good pool with. Think most change their tips also because they re kind of bored-lol
If it s about non-layered tips i m just sometimes unlucky that they re *too flat*-so that they have not enough playing time ^^
Once i have found a tip, where i am really satisfied, i buy a hand or two hands of them from the same charge. Then i m good for several years
But finally the most tips have enough quality to play good pool with. Think most change their tips also because they re kind of bored-lol
If it s about non-layered tips i m just sometimes unlucky that they re *too flat*-so that they have not enough playing time ^^
I think the issue is not about how much better layered tips are but that there are no great out of the box one piece tips.
Consistency seems to be the issue major single layered tips. If you had brand X's medium layered tip, and buy another one it should play the same. Whereas it appears there isn't much quality control beyond visual inspection for single layered tips. Which creates a healthy aftermarket here on AZ for pressed, sorted and casein infused tips.
A few months ago I would have said layered, hands down, no contest.
Then i discovered pooldawg8 and the land of the magical milk duds. Now I am on the fence.
Then i discovered pooldawg8 and the land of the magical milk duds. Now I am on the fence.
I prefer layered but have noticed in some instances they are not consistent, even when they are made by the same manufacturer.
I've got to disagree with that.
At one time it was difficult to find very many good tips in any box of LePros, Elkmasters, or Triangles, but in recent years it has become even more difficult to find very many bad ones. Maybe Tweeten has improved their quality due to competition from layered tips? Whatever the cause, they've gotten a lot better without increasing the cost very much.
I install a lot of tips of all brands and varieties, but for my own play, I've gone back to LePro. I'm tired of trying to find a good layered tip at a reasonable price.
Roger
Roger my experience has been Elkmasters are like a box of chocolates and if you ever miscue with a LePro there will be chunks missing
Roger my experience has been Elkmasters are like a box of chocolates and if you ever miscue with a LePro there will be chunks missing
I've never experienced that. Maybe I've never miscued badly enough to make that happen? If someone does stroke that poorly, their game sure doesn't deserve the use of expensive layered tips.
Roger
I've never experienced that. Maybe I've never miscued badly enough to make that happen? If someone does stroke that poorly, their game sure doesn't deserve the use of expensive layered tips.
Roger
What an odd observation
