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flash5153

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,,,,especially if you are alone.

I seen a post from Stan S the other day about a good run in 14-1 and it inspired me to try it. I never play this game,but opened up the 9 footer and gave it a whirl.

At first I couldn't get through the first rack,,for over a hour I tried. lol

Finally,,I did that and run the second rack,,leaving the break ball perfect,,,,,and missed it!! making a run of 29.

Since then,,I have tried again several times. Hours of playing. And I did the same exact thing again,,,,29,,,missing the perfect break out ball. It sucked!!

Until today,,,I just did a 45 exactly!! Odd but true,,,I run 3 racks,,left the break out ball for the 4th where I thought the cue would easily hit the corner of the rack,,to break them up,,I made the ball,,,and the cue missed the rack and scratched it the side pocket.

I am finding this game puts pressure on you,,when alone,,to NOT mis!!!

I am going to set up a video camera soon,,and try to get some of this on video. Not that it's anything great but I'm finding it interesting.
 
flash5153 said:
,,,,especially if you are alone.

I seen a post from Stan S the other day about a good run in 14-1 and it inspired me to try it. I never play this game,but opened up the 9 footer and gave it a whirl.

At first I couldn't get through the first rack,,for over a hour I tried. lol

Finally,,I did that and run the second rack,,leaving the break ball perfect,,,,,and missed it!! making a run of 29.

Since then,,I have tried again several times. Hours of playing. And I did the same exact thing again,,,,29,,,missing the perfect break out ball. It sucked!!

Until today,,,I just did a 45 exactly!! Odd but true,,,I run 3 racks,,left the break out ball for the 4th where I thought the cue would easily hit the corner of the rack,,to break them up,,I made the ball,,,and the cue missed the rack and scratched it the side pocket.

I am finding this game puts pressure on you,,when alone,,to NOT mis!!!

I am going to set up a video camera soon,,and try to get some of this on video. Not that it's anything great but I'm finding it interesting.
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Congrats! I'm still fighting to break the 29. I needed 29 exactly to win some cash off of a regular at my hometown pool hall. I set up with precision to run the next rack but stopped there and collected the cash. Since then I've not been able to exceed 29. I'll keep trying.........maybe I need the pressure of cash on the line. Hmmmmm............
 
Glad you're finding out the "secret" to consistency success -- of practicing 14.1. This game will hone your pattern play like no other, and as you're finding out, is a true test of pocketing consistency. One mistake, and it's all over.

If you've time, come on over to the 14.1 forum, where we have videos and content stored from years and posters past on how to play this great game, as well as a challenge each year to post your high runs:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/forumdisplay.php?f=61

Hope to see you over there soon!

-Sean <-- high run 133; best this year so far 78
 
sfleinen said:
Glad you're finding out the "secret" to consistency success -- of practicing 14.1. This game will hone your pattern play like no other, and as you're finding out, is a true test of pocketing consistency. One mistake, and it's all over.

If you've time, come on over to the 14.1 forum, where we have videos and content stored from years and posters past on how to play this great game, as well as a challenge each year to post your high runs:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/forumdisplay.php?f=61

Hope to see you over there soon!

-Sean <-- high run 133; best this year so far 78
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I had no idea there was a forum for this. Oops. I will check it out. Thanks.
 
flash5153 -- Welcome to 14.1. Sounds like you are a pretty good shooter.

From what you said in post #1, however, you may not be counting properly. If you ran two full racks and then missed the break shot, your run was 28 (2 x 14), not 29. If you ran three full racks and then fouled while making the next break shot, your run was 42 (3 x 14), not 45.

And if you scratch on a shot that pocketed a ball, that ball does not count as part of your run (that just ended), nor does the penalty reduce the run. Example: your opponent makes the opening safety break shot of the game. You then run three full racks and scratch while making the break shot for rack #4. Your run was 42 (not 43), but your game score is now 41 (after deducting the point for the scratch). You spot the ball you made, and your opponent has BIH behind the head string.

Good luck!
 
AtLarge said:
flash5153 -- Welcome to 14.1. Sounds like you are a pretty good shooter.

From what you said in post #1, however, you may not be counting properly. If you ran two full racks and then missed the break shot, your run was 28 (2 x 14), not 29. If you ran three full racks and then fouled while making the next break shot, your run was 42 (3 x 14), not 45.

And if you scratch on a shot that pocketed a ball, that ball does not count as part of your run (that just ended), nor does the penalty reduce the run. Example: your opponent makes the opening safety break shot of the game. You then run three full racks and scratch while making the break shot for rack #4. Your run was 42 (not 43), but your game score is now 41 (after deducting the point for the scratch). You spot the ball you made, and your opponent has BIH behind the head string.

Good luck!
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Isn't his counting correct for each scenario if he's counting the break ball for each rack up until the miss?
 
Its weird how it puts pressure one you when playing alone. No other game played alone comes close. Its improved my 8 ball game dramatically over the past few years. If you get chance check out the subforum for 14.1 and also Max Eberle has a few really good videos on his YouTube channel where he explains his thought process, and why he plans to run a rack of 14.1 the way he did.
 
Good practice game? It's the best game there is, with 1pkt running a very close second, and 8 ball a slightly distant third place.

All the rest are carnival games. How in the world 9 ball replaced it to determine true champions, I'll never understand. Glad to read another person has found the reason pool ball mfg. put 15 balls in the box with the cue ball. :)
 
AtLarge said:
flash5153 -- Welcome to 14.1. Sounds like you are a pretty good shooter.

From what you said in post #1, however, you may not be counting properly. If you ran two full racks and then missed the break shot, your run was 28 (2 x 14), not 29. If you ran three full racks and then fouled while making the next break shot, your run was 42 (3 x 14), not 45.

And if you scratch on a shot that pocketed a ball, that ball does not count as part of your run (that just ended), nor does the penalty reduce the run. Example: your opponent makes the opening safety break shot of the game. You then run three full racks and scratch while making the break shot for rack #4. Your run was 42 (not 43), but your game score is now 41 (after deducting the point for the scratch). You spot the ball you made, and your opponent has BIH behind the head string.

Good luck!
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I ran 3 racks,,leaving the breakout ball,,44 balls made,,and re-racking the 4th rack.That is when I pocketed the breakout ball and scratched.
I did not deduct anything for scratching,,but I pocketed 45 balls. 3 full racks.

I really don't know how to score this but that is how it happened.
Im setting up a camera now.

edit---> And besides,,it don't matter. Until I get it on video,,it didn't happen. LOL (although it really did) I am expecting it to get higher anyhow. lol

But I will need to learn how to score it all up. I'll look into it.
 
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flash5153 said:
I ran 3 racks,,leaving the breakout ball,,44 balls made,,and re-racking the 4th rack.That is when I pocketed the breakout ball and scratched.
I did not deduct anything for scratching,,but I pocketed 45 balls. 3 full racks.

I really don't know how to score this but that is how it happened.
Im setting up a camera now.
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I guess I wasn't clear enough. When you run a rack, you make 14 balls and leave the 15th on the table. You're now on a run of 14. Then you rack the other 14 balls, making 15 balls on the table in total. Now you run 14 of those 15, leaving one for a break ball. You have now run a total of 28 (two racks). Again, you rack the other 14, making 15 balls on the table. Now you run 14 of those 15, leaving one for a break ball. You have now run a total of 42 (three racks). And so on ...

The count is always 14 per rack, because you never make the 15th ball (until the next rack, when it becomes part of the 14 counted for that rack).

Please read my previous post again and this one, and I imagine you'll have it. If not, I'll try again.
 
AtLarge said:
I guess I wasn't clear enough. When you run a rack, you make 14 balls and leave the 15th on the table. You're now on a run of 14. Then you rack the other 14 balls, making 15 balls on the table in total. Now you run 14 of those 15, leaving one for a break ball. You have now run a total of 28 (two racks). Again, you rack the other 14, making 15 balls on the table. Now you run 14 of those 15, leaving one for a break ball. You have now run a total of 42 (three racks). And so on ...

The count is always 14 per rack, because you never make the 15th ball (until the next rack, when it becomes part of the 14 counted for that rack).

Please read my previous post again and this one, and I imagine you'll have it. If not, I'll try again.
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Credited. Sounds like you ran a 42. Which is still a run to be proud of.
 
flash5153 said:
edit---> And besides,,it don't matter. Until I get it on video,,it didn't happen. LOL (although it really did)
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Some people only count runs on video. Other people only count runs in a match (where there's someone waiting to shoot back at you if you make a mistake). Some people only count runs on a 10 foot table that are live streamed and occur during a professional tournament.

In the end it's your run. Count however you like as long as you acknowledge the situation (e.g., practice vs match, table size, etc.). None of that matters unless you are closing in on 526...
 
Anyone starting out in pool should start by playing 14.1 and 3 cushuion...and probably snooker. IMO. Then go on to the games you like. Johnnyt
 
Willie's game. A critic once said about Mosconi and 14.1 ... it doesn't look very difficult as he nevers makes a tough shot. :rolleyes: ... he never had to because he was a master of cue ball control. A best game!

What made 9 ball so popular was the action, especially for TV audiences.
 
14-1 is good practice....

I recently joined a 14.1 league not just for fun, but to try to improve my game, too. Doesn't matter that I have to drive 43 miles through some bad rush hour traffic (Wash DC area) to get to the pool hall just outside Baltimore, but hey--it's 14.1, which I used to play as a kid some 40-45 years ago, and hadn't played since against an actual opponent. I'm nowhere near as good as the posters here. I did manage to win my first match--with a high run of, gulp, six. Looking to get better with more play coming up this week.
 
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flash5153 said:
,,,,especially if you are alone.

I seen a post from Stan S the other day about a good run in 14-1 and it inspired me to try it. I never play this game,but opened up the 9 footer and gave it a whirl.

At first I couldn't get through the first rack,,for over a hour I tried. lol

Finally,,I did that and run the second rack,,leaving the break ball perfect,,,,,and missed it!! making a run of 29.

Since then,,I have tried again several times. Hours of playing. And I did the same exact thing again,,,,29,,,missing the perfect break out ball. It sucked!!

Until today,,,I just did a 45 exactly!! Odd but true,,,I run 3 racks,,left the break out ball for the 4th where I thought the cue would easily hit the corner of the rack,,to break them up,,I made the ball,,,and the cue missed the rack and scratched it the side pocket.

I am finding this game puts pressure on you,,when alone,,to NOT mis!!!

I am going to set up a video camera soon,,and try to get some of this on video. Not that it's anything great but I'm finding it interesting.
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Yes, great game for no opponent play. To keep things moving I take ball in hand on my initial shot and don't even do a real rack, just throw the balls in big cluster and take my BIH. Don't stop when I miss but make myself stay on the missed ball till pocketed. Maybe I have invented a new game! Maybe it will save pool! Maybe this will ease the pain of the sequester! If I make it thru the rack then I play properly with a correct rack and see what shakes out. Greatest learning game followed closely by one hole.
 
I freely acknowledge my ignorance of this game, and thank those who spelled out the scoring thing for me. I understood it just short of needing crayons and construction paper to draw a picture.
The underlying issue may be that I've never ran enough balls consecutively for it to come up.
 
flash5153 said:
,,,,especially if you are alone.

I seen a post from Stan S the other day about a good run in 14-1 and it inspired me to try it. I never play this game,but opened up the 9 footer and gave it a whirl.

At first I couldn't get through the first rack,,for over a hour I tried. lol

Finally,,I did that and run the second rack,,leaving the break ball perfect,,,,,and missed it!! making a run of 29.

Since then,,I have tried again several times. Hours of playing. And I did the same exact thing again,,,,29,,,missing the perfect break out ball. It sucked!!

Until today,,,I just did a 45 exactly!! Odd but true,,,I run 3 racks,,left the break out ball for the 4th where I thought the cue would easily hit the corner of the rack,,to break them up,,I made the ball,,,and the cue missed the rack and scratched it the side pocket.

I am finding this game puts pressure on you,,when alone,,to NOT mis!!!

I am going to set up a video camera soon,,and try to get some of this on video. Not that it's anything great but I'm finding it interesting.
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It's a great foundation for all games. You shoot combos, safties, you learn to find dead balls in the rack from the oddest of places. You shoot ALLOT over balls using a high bridge, other games not as much, but when its a shot that needs to be made to continue or win one realizes its importance. You'll try banks shots, but generally HIGH percentage ones, and you must learn your way around the table from one end to the other. Try and find a Johnny Holliday book, position play for high runs. Its a Great foundational book for straight pool and allot of the shots will help in your nine ball game. Straight pool also begins to create allot of confidence when your pocketing a ball and moving another ball to a position where it can be made easily. This comes up allot in other games, but all the time in 14.1, and Nice run. Once you get over forty balls the next threshold is 80 and thats TOUGH the first time. The book will help get there for sure.
 
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I still don't quite understand the ball count thing. But it don't matter to me really.I read them posts 2-3 times,,don't make sense to me,,like I said. IDC lol
Is that how they keep score in high run challenge?? Verses a 2 player game?

I have my camera set up ,,, in HD,,good for 4 hours of play. Looks good on playback too. First time I ever watched myself play and I look good.lol

I am finding out I am camera shy. Can't seem to get it going in the first 3 attempts. Missing silly shots,or leaving the break ball long and hard.

I'll keep trying. When I do something good enough to upload ,,I will. At least a few racks.
 
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