Cue Tips, Non Layered Vs Layered

picking the right tip

1 How the tip perform < grip > < traction>< friction>
2 The tip holding its shape, does it mushroom .
3 Tip glazing, does the need extra maintance because of glazing.
4 Cost


MMike
 
I was a Tiger Sniper lover/users for years. On a lark..I tried a Tiger Onyx. Now its my favorite tip. Love it!
 
Toms Ultraskins are a very good tip.I like the Kamui Browns but hate the Blacks.
As far as single layered tips I like Water-buffalo,there a hard tip,hold
chalk well and last forever.
Lately layered tips have been a nightmare for me and alot of guys I know.
The glazing is nuts and the inconsistencies.I never had these isues
with any single layered tip,except for some mushrooming from Lepros.
 
ultra skin tips

I have been playing around with my camera.
They are a good tip and at a low price.
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I want to do a picture with some tips on fire.
MMike
 
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Kamui, brown or black. They both play great and I've yet to see a mushroom or miscue problem. As far as the price.....what's 20 bucks or so even matter when the tip is going to last for a very long time.
 
Would someone explain to me how a layered tip will glaze over where as a non-layered tip will not. That logic makes no sense to me, whatsoever.
 
Tramp Steamer said:
Would someone explain to me how a layered tip will glaze over where as a non-layered tip will not. That logic makes no sense to me, whatsoever.
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What I have found with layered
tips is,lets say there's 10 layers,after each layer there's glue between
each layer holding the tip together.
I find as a layer wears down near the point of going to the next layer,
funny things start happening ,due to you getting to that thin layer
of glue.
This can never happen with a single layered tip.I also believe glazing
can also take place due to the cut of hide,or the dye they may add to
the tip.Kamui Blacks for me are a nightmare.
 
The only two black tips I have used were the Onyx and the Kaumi black. I actually hate them and will never shoot with them again. They glaze over and I can't have that when the $$ is on the line.

I now only stick to brown tips or natural leather.

Single layer is fine but wish i could gind one that actully gripper the ball at little. Myabe I need to try a Milk dud out :) or just sned $30 on chalk :eek:
 
TomHay said:
Your opinions? :)
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I have personally found that the shaft has a lot of influence in the way a layered or normal tip plays. For example, I used to have a Predator shaft that I found played with too much reaction regardless of the layered tips that i found and I tried everything on the market at the time. Thus, I went to a hard buffalo tip which hit great, in fact I bought the box from the cue maker who supplied the tips (someone else here did the same thing). Conversely my Tad shaft played better with layered tips and awful with the same tip.

Thus, there are possibly a few variables to take into account when making the decision. That is my two bobs worth anyway. hope it helps:smile:

One other thing, I once had a bad experience after fitting a hard layered tip which i practiced with for a month or so to break it in. I had a small money game coming up and the night before the game my cue started making a buzzing sound. I couldn't work out what it was and checked the weight bolt and the joint etc. Anyway, I eventually used a wet cloth to take the chalk off of the tip the morning of the game and saw that the glued layers had come apart. As such, I put a new tip on and you can guess the rest. But this is probably a one off tale :-D
 
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Tramp Steamer said:
Would someone explain to me how a layered tip will glaze over where as a non-layered tip will not. That logic makes no sense to me, whatsoever.
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its because you have to reshape the non-layered tip so often it doesn't have time to glaze :D

I lean more towards layered. The ultraskins are great tips, the only thing I've used as good is moori hards. Pooldawg's milkduds are in the running but somehow they don't quite feel the same to me.
 
Here's something that hasn't been mentioned - performance. For me, the layered tips seem to send the object ball more where I'm trying to send it than single layered. Others may think differently, though. I agree that the layered tips glaze over more than single layer, but it's a tradeoff that I'm willing to settle for.
 
I tested for sure many many layered tips. The main reason is, that i got just too lazy to work on my tip (mainatenance, mushrooming etc. ).

I always loved LePro- but they just need to much work over the time. And they run too fast out of gas :p
The quality of the layered tips are great nowadays- the UltraSkins really are a great tip for the bucks. I still use Kamui Black- and have about 10 of the same charge in my box. So i m not surprised if i have to change the tip again :)
but there are for sure many other brands that play fantastic.
And you will always have differences- it s still a natural product.

A nice LePro- which would be a *bit bigger* and where oyu would not have to spend much time to work on it- that would be great:)
 
EasyEJL said:
its because you have to reshape the non-layered tip so often it doesn't have time to glaze :D

I lean more towards layered. The ultraskins are great tips, the only thing I've used as good is moori hards. Pooldawg's milkduds are in the running but somehow they don't quite feel the same to me.
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Thanks, Easy. That makes sense to me.
Tip maintenance for me (I use an UltraSkin medium) is simply a few back and forth twists with the Willard, until the tip color comes back, and that's it. I do it about every other trip to the pool room. :)
 
wet cloth

jackthehat said:
I have personally found that the shaft has a lot of influence in the way a layered or normal tip plays. For example, I used to have a Predator shaft that I found played with too much reaction regardless of the layered tips that i found and I tried everything on the market at the time. Thus, I went to a hard buffalo tip which hit great, in fact I bought the box from the cue maker who supplied the tips (someone else here did the same thing). Conversely my Tad shaft played better with layered tips and awful with the same tip.

Thus, there are possibly a few variables to take into account when making the decision. That is my two bobs worth anyway. hope it helps:smile:

One other thing, I once had a bad experience after fitting a hard layered tip which i practiced with for a month or so to break it in. I had a small money game coming up and the night before the game my cue started making a buzzing sound. I couldn't work out what it was and checked the weight bolt and the joint etc. Anyway, I eventually used a wet cloth to take the chalk off of the tip the morning of the game and saw that the glued layers had come apart. As such, I put a new tip on and you can guess the rest. But this is probably a one off tale :-D
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A wet cloth will delaminat a layered tip.
MMike
 
jackthehat said:
I have personally found that the shaft has a lot of influence in the way a layered or normal tip plays. For example, I used to have a Predator shaft that I found played with too much reaction regardless of the layered tips that i found and I tried everything on the market at the time. Thus, I went to a hard buffalo tip which hit great, in fact I bought the box from the cue maker who supplied the tips (someone else here did the same thing). Conversely my Tad shaft played better with layered tips and awful with the same tip.

Thus, there are possibly a few variables to take into account when making the decision. That is my two bobs worth anyway. hope it helps:smile:

One other thing, I once had a bad experience after fitting a hard layered tip which i practiced with for a month or so to break it in. I had a small money game coming up and the night before the game my cue started making a buzzing sound. I couldn't work out what it was and checked the weight bolt and the joint etc. Anyway, I eventually used a wet cloth to take the chalk off of the tip the morning of the game and saw that the glued layers had come apart. As such, I put a new tip on and you can guess the rest. But this is probably a one off tale :-D
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I agree with you. On most of my old cues with maple shafts, they always played good to me with Le Pro tips and I always put them on myself.

However, on newer LD shafts with shorter, lighter ferrules some tips just "don't feel right". No matter what shaft I use or what tip, I like the "SAME" feel when I hit the ball. I don't care if the tip is short, long, layered, non-layered, etc...I'm looking for a particular type of "hit" that I prefer. Also...I hate a tip that makes a "pinging" sound.
 
Kim Bye said:
In a nutshell ;)
Where I play, over 90% of the players use a layered tip
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Where I play, 90% of the people don't know how to play pool. The ONLY thing they know about tips is what somebody told them, not because they could play well enough to tell the difference. I see people with gloves, high-dollar cues, matching cases, little things to hold their cue on the table, special racks, and everything else...yet they can't run three balls. Not knocking them...they are spending their own money and supporting the game, but maybe they should try a lesson or two first from ANYBODY.

I'd be willing to teach some young kid or anybody if they were willing to learn, but I'm not going to spend my time or gas and table money to try to teach somebody that is not committed to getting better.

There was a group of young teenagers (boys and girls) playing on the table next to me Sunday and I had to jump their asses for clowning around and being a general nuisance. They were sort of sword fighting with the cues and then they got the bridge and started using it as a cue and slamming the ball back and forth between it and another cue from one end of the table to the other.

Finally, I just jumped their asses and told them that is how the equipment gets all FVCKED UP and they quit. I have NO patience when people start abusing the tables and equipment...I used to work in a pool hall and had to fix the stuff.
 
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