Could Corey Deuel have been one of the all-time greats?

1998-2002 when Corey was all about pool and dedicated, I seen the show for hours a day, every day... Make no mistake, he was the best player on the planet at that time and IMO the greatest player that has ever lived. If you seen the things I did you would agree.

Exactly

You cant stay at the top forever but you can always climb there again.

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Didn't he single-handedly take the game of 9ball, and kill it because of his insight into the soft break?

If it weren't for him, 99.9% of the pool players would still be blasting the break as hard as they possibly could.

If he stays dedicated and focused, he joins the ranks of Alien pool players that have special superpowers.
If he gets lazy, he loses his Alien membership and becomes a mere mortal.

It's nice to see him looking rededicated in recent months.
No way to tell what type of mark he could have made on the pool world, if he stayed hungry his entire career.

A hungry Corey = a legendary, all time great.


Nice!

I really like corey's game and with his recent one pocket win at the derby I would think this thread should be laughed off the forum.

The man is a great player and will continue to be one.
 
No, he would have been better.

Shane puts in a massive amount of effort into the game, as much if not more then any other pro today and that is why he is as good as he is. Corey puts very little effort into the game and still at times gets hot and can win a major event (he made the US Open finals only what, 2 years ago?) Corey is as good as he is today because of pure natural talent that few pros today can match. If you took that natural talent and combined it with the work ethic of SVB then you would have a player that truly dominate this sport.

Corey had it all, he had the creative mind, he had the gigantic stroke, he had the champions heart, the only thing he lacked was the will to put the effort in to be the player he should have been.

People often ask what is wrong with professional pool and wonder why people complain about the state of it, guys like Corey Deuel are one big reason for me, pool lost out on a Federer type of show because in the case of Corey the sport was simply not lucrative enough to get him to commit to it. The reality is that Golf and Tennis might never have had a Tiger Wood or a Rory McElroy, a Roger Federer or an Agassi if it was not for the beneifts those sports bring their elite competitors driving those players towards greatness. In the case of Corey the pool world missed out because Corey failed to see the point of truly comitting that insane natural talent 110%.
I disagree with the end...he saw that the 'prize' wasnt a prizeat all.

Corey climbed the highest mountain and took a look.
 
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I knew a guy who has won an event on the PGA Tour. I worked at a local course where he practiced regularly at while he was on the Nationwide Tour. He kept his handicap for a year and was a +6 at that time. Guys who play scratch have a long way to go before becoming Tour quality players.


yup!....

We might look at Corey and say," I can never hit that shot like Corey just hit it"....Corey is looking at "average" Pro golfers and saying the same thing!

My point being....I have, on my best days.....shot par on easy golf courses.....Pro golfers shoot on average 2 or 3 UNDER par on the toughest courses on the planet every day! :)

on the flip side, I have run 100 balls many times, and beat the 12 ball ghost....and would not put my $$$ up against Corey any day!!...


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For the record, approximately how many wins is "a lot"? (minimum lets say)

I think you also have to consider the type of tournament.

If he plays competitively for 20 more years, I could see him winning 5-10 big tournaments (90% pro field) and 15-25 smaller tournaments (mixed field).

It also depends on what's out there for him to play in.

Regardless of whether he wins more or less, he's still a champion. There are plenty of players out there that he wouldn't be a favorite against, but he's still capable of beating anyone.
 
SUPERSTAR...What are you talking about? 99.9% of poolplayers ARE still blasting the break as hard as they possibly can. It is only the very top amateurs and the pros that scale back their break shots, according to how the table plays.

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Didn't he single-handedly take the game of 9ball, and kill it because of his insight into the soft break?

If it weren't for him, 99.9% of the pool players would still be blasting the break as hard as they possibly could.
 
Corey Deuel is the shit and a can of beans! Always been my favorite player. Great player and always has time to talk to his fans. Cash Money! :grin:
 
"we love ya Corey, but did you really have to ruin 9 Ball?"

Didn't he single-handedly take the game of 9ball, and kill it because of his insight into the soft break?

If it weren't for him, 99.9% of the pool players would still be blasting the break as hard as they possibly could.

If he stays dedicated and focused, he joins the ranks of Alien pool players that have special superpowers.
If he gets lazy, he loses his Alien membership and becomes a mere mortal.

It's nice to see him looking rededicated in recent months.
No way to tell what type of mark he could have made on the pool world, if he stayed hungry his entire career.

A hungry Corey = a legendary, all time great.

That's funny...we actually kid Corey about what he did to the game of 9 Ball......... "we love ya Corey, but did you really have to ruin 9 Ball with the mush break?":smash:
 
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If he dedicated himself 100% to pool and didn't get disinterested? His natural talent and mind is just incredible. I know there's a lot of players you could say would be world-beaters if they dedicated themselves 100& and practiced as much as Shane but to me there's something special about Corey.

I always like his simi cocky attitude...I like his free wheeling style..let her rip.
He has what it takes..hes shown it..
 
I don't consider Deuel to be one of the all-time greats. He is super talented, perhaps the greatest American natural talent of the last fifteen years, but a the original posts suggests, he could have been better and more accomplished. Why he didn't achieve a a higer level is hardly the point.

He'll go down as a brilliant player but his title count doesn't put him in the conversation with the most elite. Based on what we saw from him from 1998-2002, he looked like he might well finish his career with a resume of titles easily comparable to a Souquet or a Varner, and possibly on a par with the likes of Sigel, Strickland, or Efren.

Corey has had a fine career and will, deservedly, be remembered as a very accomplished player who fell a bit short of the career we all expected of him. Of course, his career is hardly over, and if he turns the corner and starts snapping off the most prestigious titles, I'll be happy to reassess his career. Then again, unlike Shane, Corey doesn't play the WPA World Champioship events oveseas, and this makes it harder for him to add the biggest titles to his playing resume.
 
Derby City 1 pocket

His win at the Derby City 1 pocket was a great win. I expect that 1-pocket is the game Corey takes the most pride in, because it requires so much thought as well as shot-making. His match in the US Open finals 9-ball where he lost to Darren Appleton was epic.

Talking about numbers of titles though, it seems to me that you can't compare today's tournaments to the 90s say, or Sigel's era which I guess was the 80s, because most tournaments nowadays are won by Filipinos.
 
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I don't consider Deuel to be one of the all-time greats. He is super talented, perhaps the greatest American natural talent of the last fifteen years, but a the original posts suggests, he could have been better and more accomplished. Why he didn't achieve a a higer level is hardly the point.

He'll go down as a brilliant player but his title count doesn't put him in the conversation with the most elite. Based on what we saw from him from 1998-2002, he looked like he might well finish his career with a resume of titles easily comparable to a Souquet or a Varner, and possibly on a par with the likes of Sigel, Strickland, or Efren.

Corey has had a fine career and will, deservedly, be remembered as a very accomplished player who fell a bit short of the career we all expected of him. Of course, his career is hardly over, and if he turns the corner and starts snapping off the most prestigious titles, I'll be happy to reassess his career. Then again, unlike Shane, Corey doesn't play the WPA World Champioship events oveseas, and this makes it harder for him to add the biggest titles to his playing resume.

You're right, Corey isn't considered one of the all time greats... simply because he didn't apply himself. I agree with the OP, if he had lived for pool like Earl, Efren & Shane I believe he would've been better than all of them. This kid (REALLY) had it.
 
Corey is one of the best players and good guys out there. I've played a lot of golf with him and we've talked at length about pool, golf, etc. He said he literally practiced the soft break thousands of times and practiced thousands of hours on it and other intricate aspects of the game that others wouldn't even think of. That's just the way his brain works and why his talent and uniqueness is so special.

If he dedicates himself he is in the very upper echelon of the pool universe, if he doesn't , he's still top handful in America. He can golf his ball pretty damn good too.

This was us hanging at the Hard Rock in Vegas this past summer. He was out there for the TAR match against Schmidt and I happened to be in town for a few days.

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Some of you act like Corey is dead or disabled. Has he retired from pool?

Is this the same Corey Duell who just won the One Pocket Derby City Classic Championship in January 2013?

He is an all time great, titles to date or not. Add up the amount of top five finishes and he is in the upper echelon of all-time players all day every day.
 
what an idiotic question. Who says he isn't one of the all time greats already ?

did he die/quit playing or something that I'm not aware of ?

he just won the derby city one-pocket. how many players can say that.

again, what a stupid question.
 
Corey and Alex both remind me of Hopkins as far as they had boatloads of talent but sometimes just lost a little interest in the game but still they are all time greats. Corey and Efren are still the only 2 banned from my prop game all 15 balls in one corner with break and ball in hand behind the headstring after the break getting 5-1 odds. I think he won 15k at the game.
 
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Corey and Alex both remind me of Hopkins as far as they had boatloads of talent but sometimes just lost a little interest in the game but still they are all time greats. Corey and Efren are still the only 2 banned from my prop game all 15 balls in one corner with break and ball in hand behind the headstring after the break getting 5-1 odds. I think he won 15k at the game.
corey is a good guy and great player. we have been buds for 10 years and if he isnt considered one of all time greats then i have no idea what it takes to be one of all time greats.

also huckster i want to try that all 15 in one hole with 5-1.
sounds brutal but ill try it on a diamond,4.5 pockets and good cloth.
 
If he dedicated himself 100% to pool and didn't get disinterested? His natural talent and mind is just incredible. I know there's a lot of players you could say would be world-beaters if they dedicated themselves 100& and practiced as much as Shane but to me there's something special about Corey.

You have to want it and I don`t believe Cory ever really did.
 
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corey dedicated himself as much as shane,coreys years of dedication was from 15-30. now he is kinda burnt out because propool pays nothing.
shane is not burnt out yet but will be someday too when he sees that after taxes and expenses u can make as much driving a cab.
sure shanes having great years now because all he wants do is play pool.
wait till hes 35-40 years old and averages out what hes earned over those 15-20 years and he will understand why all the pros older then him play pool so rarely.

save your money shane or u will die broke like 99 percent of the pros. its a shame but its reality.

trust me before anybody ever heard of me i had great years from 26-30 years old on road.
as soon as i won a tourney my income went to zero.
so little industry or corporate support of the game might turn pool into rollerderby someday, extinct
 
corey dedicated himself as much as shane,coreys years of dedication was from 15-30. now he is kinda burnt out because propool pays nothing.
shane is not burnt out yet but will be someday too when he sees that after taxes and expenses u can make as much driving a cab.
sure shanes having great years now because all he wants do is play pool.
wait till hes 35-40 years old and averages out what hes earned over those 15-20 years and he will understand why all the pros older then him play pool so rarely.

save your money shane or u will die broke like 99 percent of the pros. its a shame but its reality.

trust me before anybody ever heard of me i had great years from 26-30 years old on road.
as soon as i won a tourney my income went to zero.
so little industry or corporate support of the game might turn pool into rollerderby someday, extinct

I remember on the TAR interview for your match against Deuel that you said that you are a great golfer- better than Corey. Have you thought about pursuing that sport more?
 
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