T.O.I by randyg

[CJ Wiley]

It's just too difficult in writing, yet so easy in person.

C.J. you can get roughly 32 balls across the table on a 4 1/2x 9.
16 from rail to middle. With cue ball in the middle of the table, working from middle out you would have four angles off of ctc four off cte to
closet part of pocket. Now go from middle in it would be the same angles
4 ctc 4 cte other side of table same thing. RIGHT? So look at ob to closet
part of pocket , determine the angle move tip to create the angle and
and that should be on it. So if this is correct once I learn to recognize
the angle I should be able to move the tip to the right place (1/4 1/2 etc)
and that will cover a large portion of the shots.
jack

This is so complicated, it's much more simple than you realize, Jack. Try just lining up center to center and come down to the inside and "trust it"....you've played enough pool that your mind will tune in very quickly. TOI is much more about FEEL, you're too involved in the visual part, and I know it seems the most important, but it's not.

I may have to work with you personally to get you to "click", you just need to see me do it and explain at the table. It's just too difficult in writing, yet so easy in person.

 

[CJ Wiley]

My pleasure Randy, you caught on very quickly

I would like to thank Mr. Wiley for spending the afternoon with me. CJ was a delight to learn from. I believe that I have the concept of T.O.I.

Now I can go back to the practice table and put to use T.O.I.

Report back very soon,
randyg

My pleasure Randy, you caught on very quickly, it's so much easier when examples can be demonstrated and you can experience it as we go along. There's nothing better than the "personal experience", to speed up the learning curve.

Play Well

 

[lstevedus]

I may have to fly down there to get a lesson in person C.J. Never been to Texas.

 

[dfranklin]

These are the main points of what you needed to work on, I'm impressed, I know some "old habits" can be challenging to break.

How's it coming so far? I may need to watch you for a few minutes sometime in the near future. The TOI Training is much easier when you have some informative input with "another set of eyes". Let me know, I'm available a few nights in the next week and can stop by one of the local places.

It's going pretty good. Need to work on speed mainly. Could you recommend any practice shots to set up ?? i have about mastered the spot shot. Thanks for yout time youve shared with me, I really desire to be the best.

 

[Mikjary]

That's right, it's not an "aiming system" although the people that don't know anything about it try to say it should be in the "aiming system" forum, they simply don't have a clue.

It's a three fold playing system:

SHOT SPEED
CREATING ANGLE
TIP TO TOI TARGET

I start out 90% visual above the shot and by the time I get down, make sure my cue ball target is "dialed in" - I change to 90% feeling/touch when I'm looking at the object ball.

This is just an example of the process, there's no way I am measuring the exact percentage, the point is you don't have to visually aim by the time you look at the object ball.

This is so complicated, it's much more simple than you realize, Jack. Try just lining up center to center and come down to the inside and "trust it"....you've played enough pool that your mind will tune in very quickly. TOI is much more about FEEL, you're too involved in the visual part, and I know it seems the most important, but it's not.

I may have to work with you personally to get you to "click", you just need to see me do it and explain at the table. It's just too difficult in writing, yet so easy in person.

These two quotes may seem cryptic to some, especially the newbs of the game. More advanced players will understand the trust part. Take heart though, it's all right there. They are the essence of more than just a TOI or three part pocket system. They explain something similar Dave Yeager said a long time ago. Read what CJ is telling you, and try it out.

The lesser players will have to go to the CTE line ups more often than the CTC setups because they haven't understood what the connection is yet that CJ is talking about. When you understand the connection, and it is also a physical connection, you can pretty much use CTC for 80-90% of your shots.

Best,
Mike

 

[BobN]

I may have to fly down there to get a lesson in person C.J. Never been to Texas.

I bet it would be worth the trip... Dallas/Fort Worth area is great, except... do NOT park your rental car under a tree. Ever heard of a "grackle"? They can crap 10 times as much as they eat. I drove to Dallas, parked my black truck under a tree at the hotel... it was white the next morning.

 

[CJ Wiley]

"using TOI I can get to anywhere on the table, just point to a spot"

It's going pretty good. Need to work on speed mainly. Could you recommend any practice shots to set up ?? i have about mastered the spot shot. Thanks for yout time youve shared with me, I really desire to be the best.

Do you remember the shot I set up and said "using TOI I can get to anywhere on the table, just point to a spot"....set that up and start trying to get every place on the table. Then set up the same shot on the other side of the table, so you're cutting it to the right and do the same thing.

After doing this for 20 minutes (10 per side) take break, ball in hand and run out, going to an extra rail each time. You need to strengthen your stroke and this is the best way. If the shot calls for one rail, go two somehow, if it calls for two, go three......this is just practice, no how you're going to play, it will just make you hit the cue ball firmer and start training your mind about zones.

Check out the ROTATION video and watch carefully how I explain the zone approach, this is VITALLY important to you right now. Extend the line when playing position to a rail, in the practice drill you will actually force the cue ball to the rail. This is a one hour set of drills, and will speed up your progress. Let me know after you've done this 3 times and tell me what you discovered. I can meet you at Pockets or somewhere to watch you and get you this other DVD in the next couple of nights if you want.

Here's the Rotation Video again, pay close attention to my "zones" I point them out several times:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMB-Q-KbwX0&feature=youtu.be

 

[One Pocket John]

I would like to thank Mr. Wiley for spending the afternoon with me. CJ was a delight to learn from. I believe that I have the concept of T.O.I.

Now I can go back to the practice table and put to use T.O.I.

Report back very soon,
randyg

Thanks for the update Randy. Looking forward to your comments.

John

 

[CJ Wiley]

through Atlanta and North Carolina

I may have to fly down there to get a lesson in person C.J. Never been to Texas.

Never been to Texas? Well, there's no time like the present, where are you from? I'll be going through Atlanta and North Carolina around the 2nd week in April.

 

[randyg]

C.J. you can get roughly 32 balls across the table on a 4 1/2x 9.
16 from rail to middle. With cue ball in the middle of the table, working from middle out you would have four angles off of ctc four off cte to
closet part of pocket. Now go from middle in it would be the same angles
4 ctc 4 cte other side of table same thing. RIGHT? So look at ob to closet
part of pocket , determine the angle move tip to create the angle and
and that should be on it. So if this is correct once I learn to recognize
the angle I should be able to move the tip to the right place (1/4 1/2 etc)
and that will cover a large portion of the shots.
jack

Jack

It's not even that tough. You & I already recognize the shots on the target ball, now we have to learn to aim those same shots with the cue ball.

randyg

 

[randyg]

My pleasure Randy, you caught on very quickly, it's so much easier when examples can be demonstrated and you can experience it as we go along. There's nothing better than the "personal experience", to speed up the learning curve.

Play Well

CJ, I know that you are correct. Hands on learning is much easier.

I'm excited
randyg

 

[lstevedus]

Pool Lesson

Never been to Texas? Well, there's no time like the present, where are you from? I'll be going through Atlanta and North Carolina around the 2nd week in April.

I am in central Ohio C.J. I am serious about coming to Texas for a lesson. I will send you a PM.

 

[jackpot]

Randy

I believe I am doing it right, I just look at the shot come down ctc or
cte move tip to inside to create the angle that is to closest part of
pocket and shoot. I used to play with a little os and aim to the other
side of the pocket and deflect it in not spin it. Problem with this is on real
thin cut shots you have to aim air ball so it will defelect into it, and
that is hard to make yourself do. The toi is the dead nuts on shots close
to the rail the ob just huggs the rail you can hit it at warp speed and it just dives in the pocket. I am having so much fun with this and hope it
works out because I'm not going to get any better doing what I have
done for all these years. I am beating the 9 ball ghost with toi on these
diamond tables but so far 10 ghost has me stuck, but I am going to
double up on him today and bust him. 7 and out balderdash ?
jack

 

[LAMas]

I believe I am doing it right, I just look at the shot come down ctc or
cte move tip to inside to create the angle that is to closest part of
pocket and shoot. I used to play with a little os and aim to the other
side of the pocket and deflect it in not spin it. Problem with this is on real
thin cut shots you have to aim air ball so it will defelect into it, and
that is hard to make yourself do. The toi is the dead nuts on shots close
to the rail the ob just huggs the rail you can hit it at warp speed and it just dives in the pocket. I am having so much fun with this and hope it
works out because I'm not going to get any better doing what I have
done for all these years. I am beating the 9 ball ghost with toi on these
diamond tables but so far 10 ghost has me stuck, but I am going to
double up on him today and bust him. 7 and out balderdash ?
jack

TOI deflects the CB with an touch of inside english or helping english that causes the OB to hug the rail and if you over cut the shot and hit the far side (from the shooter) of the pocket, the english helps the OB to enter the pocket and not the closest side causing it to rattle.

 

[dougster26]

Buy the DVD. It will answer your questions.

I have all of CJ's DVDs. I continually look at them because I find that I usually find something that I missed. I just can't figure out what I am doing wrong. I have put in a number of hours on this. I would say in excess of 25.

 

[AlexandruM]

I have all of CJ's DVDs. I continually look at them because I find that I usually find something that I missed. I just can't figure out what I am doing wrong. I have put in a number of hours on this. I would say in excess of 25.

Then maybe TOI is just not for you.

I was looking for a solution to improve my result on the moneyball, because I often doggit. I entered the Aiming topic and found few of CJ posts about his vision of game, it was 4-5 months ago, there was no video of TOI at that time. His 3 part pocket system seems pretty logic to me, so I start to read all his posts (it took me almost 2 weeks), i even make notes in a notebook. In small steps I start to understand TOI system.
What I want to say with that: When the student is ready, the teacher will appear.

Keep trying and I'm sure it will work.

 

[Okie]

I would like to thank Mr. Wiley for spending the afternoon with me. CJ was a delight to learn from. I believe that I have the concept of T.O.I.

Now I can go back to the practice table and put to use T.O.I.

Report back very soon,
randyg

I look forward to hearing your experience with this? I have had a hard time getting past the science of it.

Ken

 

[Bankit]

CJ, wheres my dvd? LOL, I live in NC, bring it to me. LOL just Kiddin' man, just send the replacement. I'll be waiting. Have a safe trip.

 

[randyg]

Well, another hour spent on T.O.I.

Ball pocketing is outstanding.
Speed control will be the next step.

I have alot to learn and I might just as well learn all I can.

Check back in tomorrow.
randyg

 

[RobMan]

Well, another hour spent on T.O.I.

Ball pocketing is outstanding.
Speed control will be the next step.

I have alot to learn and I might just as well learn all I can.

Check back in tomorrow.
randyg

Thanks for the update Randy! Exciting! Very interested in your continual updates.

I have been working with TOI for a bit now, and I am all in. To set the table, I am a B- type of player - play at SL8 in APA 9ball. My real problems have been lack of consistency (in retrospect due to all the speed variance and excessive English I used).

I am stroking with SO much more confidence than ever before. Still dialing in a lot of the nuances, but I REALLY am stroking better. Last night, played a real strong six who I have to spot 18 balls, and have not won against in probably five matches. I played lights out winning like 65-30 points.

Once I learned to TRUST the stroke, the CONFIDENCE soared. I really like to hit with a little pace on most all shots, and this allows me to. Additionally, the shape routes just seem so much more natural - killing or floating the cue ball.

I am having fun! :thumbup: