Am I wrong to be pissed?

[hang-the-9]

Apparently it is a bar league thing.
I must be fortunate because none of my opponents have ever been goofy enough to move the light, and none of my teammates have been stupid enough to move it for them.
This stuff is part of the reason why I quit all of my bar leagues, downsized to Friday night in-house APA with the girls.
Even in that league there is one weenie always pulling out the rule book.

Nothing to do with bar leagues, a ref can hold the light out of the player's way, it's even listed in the guidelines for refs.

Edit.. see post #21

Don't know why you are against rules, if someone needs to be shown a rule, what else are you going to do except use the rule book?

 

[pooler]

Not sure you are right about that. I think if Cue ball flies up and hits the light and comes back on the table, you play it where it lies. If it does the same thing off a chair, it's a foul.

My opinion from memory and not researched-FWIW.

Not quite...

Again, the WSR:

Definitions:
8.1 Parts of the Table
The following definitions of parts of the table... Some details of exact size and placement are in the WPA Equipment Specifications.
The table is comprised of rails, cushions, a playing surface and pockets...

So, if any ball touches anything than that (i.e. light or even the chalk lying on the rail) it is a foul

 

[subdude1974]

In all my years of playing pool, the only time I have ever seen it hit the light, was on the break. And i think that it should be a foul as the light is NOT part of the table. But for argument sake, let's say that it is part of the table. In golf, a rock is part of the course but can be moved. Same would go for the light. But moving a light and climbing on the table are 2 different things. If you can keep one foot on the ground, do whatever you need to do. If you are too short to pull it off, then oh well.

 

[Cdryden]

Seems like you over reacted. Personally I wouldn't mind if someone did that.

A couple of sessions ago I noticed my opponent was having trouble with his cue. The shaft was sticking in his hand, so between games I cleaned it up for him. He appreciated it and we went on to finish the match. A player on his team couldn't believe I helped his teammate. I just smiled and said if I win I want it to be because I played better, not because he was having trouble with his equipment.

Was that match worth the friction it caused between you and your teammate?

 

[hang-the-9]

Seems like you over reacted. Personally I wouldn't mind if someone did that.

A couple of sessions ago I noticed my opponent was having trouble with his cue. The shaft was sticking in his hand, so between games I cleaned it up for him. He appreciated it and we went on to finish the match. A player on his team couldn't believe I helped his teammate. I just smiled and said if I win I want it to be because I played better, not because he was having trouble with his equipment.

Was that match worth the friction it caused between you and your teammate?

That's funny, I did the exact same thing in a tournament, the guy I was playing looked to have a really dirty and dinged up shaft so I cleaned it up for him. Some people just are not too aware of how to keep their equipment in shape.

 

[Nostroke]

Not quite...

Again, the WSR:

Definitions:
8.1 Parts of the Table
The following definitions of parts of the table... Some details of exact size and placement are in the WPA Equipment Specifications.
The table is comprised of rails, cushions, a playing surface and pockets...

So, if any ball touches anything than that (i.e. light or even the chalk lying on the rail) it is a foul

OK TY-Ive been wrong before.

 

[Ak Guy]

depends...

In a perfect world nothing interferes with the shot. Lights can be a pain if mounted to low and every one should play by the same rules. I would hold a light for a guy I was playing against and he would have to do the same for me. I shoot pool for fun and don't gamble, though I will shoot in a tournament for prize money, to me it is different. I would move past it, crap happens and stewing over something really does you more harm then good. We all loose, some times it just hurts and does not seem fair. It's just a game of pool, ain't like some one stole your cue or favorite pistol. Ya got beat, won't be the last time.

 

[Cdryden]

That's funny, I did the exact same thing in a tournament, the guy I was playing looked to have a really dirty and dinged up shaft so I cleaned it up for him. Some people just are not too aware of how to keep their equipment in shape.

Yeah, it's hard enough to get most people to wash their hands after going to the bathroom, let alone their pool cues.

 

[MOJOE]

guy Im playing has to elevate to hit a shot, light is in his way. Player on my team holds light out of his way til he gets shot off! I flip out lose game and match because im soooo pissed. Am I wrong! never seen anything like this. wont again because i will never play with this guy again.:angry::angry:

Yeah you are wrong and a poor sport IMHO.. You asked!

Hell, I'd have held the light for my opponent if necessary. Integrity is way more valuable than any win to me.

Don't hate, you asked!

 

[cuesblues]

Nothing to do with bar leagues, a ref can hold the light out of the player's way, it's even listed in the guidelines for refs.

Edit.. see post #21

Don't know why you are against rules, if someone needs to be shown a rule, what else are you going to do except use the rule book?

I don't carry around a rule book, and it's not necessary for me, I know enough about pool to eliminate squabbles.
If the match was important enough to have a referee, it would be a big tournament, and I doubt that the lighting would be an issue.
To bring someone from a neutral team over to hold the light may be legal, but it looks goofy for weekly league play.
The OP is mad because his own teammate held the light and I don't blame.
I wouldn't get mad but, I could see the jokes flying for the rest of the night.
For instance, if the guy on my team who held the light was playing and his opponent had to go to the bathroom...don't get me started.

 

[hang-the-9]

I don't carry around a rule book, and it's not necessary for me, I know enough about pool to eliminate squabbles.
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but how do THEY know that you know, or know the right thing? Especially in a league where some WPA or BCA rules are not in force. I don't need to carry a license, I know I can drive. But if I get pulled over for something, the police may need a bit more proof.

 

[easy-e]

guy Im playing has to elevate to hit a shot, light is in his way. Player on my team holds light out of his way til he gets shot off! I flip out lose game and match because im soooo pissed. Am I wrong! never seen anything like this. wont again because i will never play with this guy again.:angry::angry:

You are definitely wrong for being THIS pissed. It's pool, chill out and have fun.

 

[trustyrusty]

What an ASS!!!! I can't believe your teammate did that. Not only would I not talk to that guy ever again, I may have gone up and just laid his ass out right there. Get a new team NOW. You don't need to deal with crap like this. I mean, WTF?!








Sound like a stupid reaction? YEP. I'll go ahead and ask the OP.....what the hell is wrong with you?! Mad at your teammate for being a good sport?! You should have offered to hold the light for your opponent!!! I bet you're a really well liked guy. You'd better watch what kind of reactions you have in the future or you may not have a team when word gets out....any team.

 

[cuesblues]

but how do THEY know that you know, or know the right thing? Especially in a league where some WPA or BCA rules are not in force. I don't need to carry a license, I know I can drive. But if I get pulled over for something, the police may need a bit more proof.

Most of the rules that I have seen that are not enforced come up in the APA league.
When you are dealing with really low skill level players which are necessary in the APA, it looks stupid to keep pulling out the rule book.
If the venue was important enough to have a real ref I could see calling him over, even to hold the light.
Last year my VNEA team won our division in the Rocky Mountain regionals, and one of our toughest matches was won on a controversial call by the ref, so I understand the competition involved.
This thread to me is different.
The OP isn't happy with his team for other reasons, and this incident pushed him over the edge.
I don't blame him, I've been there, I'm just agreeing from one player to another.

 

[flash5153]

What an ASS!!!! I can't believe your teammate did that. Not only would I not talk to that guy ever again, I may have gone up and just laid his ass out right there. Get a new team NOW. You don't need to deal with crap like this. I mean, WTF?!








Sound like a stupid reaction? YEP. I'll go ahead and ask the OP.....what the hell is wrong with you?! Mad at your teammate for being a good sport?! You should have offered to hold the light for your opponent!!! I bet you're a really well liked guy. You'd better watch what kind of reactions you have in the future or you may not have a team when word gets out....any team.

LOL!! I had to read this post twice. Thrice even!!! lol

 

[Spimp13]

I thought pool was gentlemans game.
Cocaine is one hell of a drug.
I love lamp.

 

[flash5153]

This might be a shock, but I've also played in bars with stupidly installed lights. The thought to move it never entered my mind ever....it's heresy. If I can't jack-up, neither can my opponent. So, you either choose to play the right way and neither player move it (don't jack up) or you go down a path of constantly moving it at-will, which is really stupid. That's why a champion like Brumback knew the right answer. It's hillbilly bar-pool. If, by chance, you're in a hillbilly bar league, at least try not to play hillbilly pool. Otherwise, don't play fouls and make sure you give yourself 1 butt's width off the rail if the CB freezes to it. All the same thing, imo.

Any real player would think light swinging is goofy.

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There are more people out there playing hillbilly(<---your term ,not mine) pool than any other!! And we are talking about a shot,,a full massee ,more than likely. That does not come up often. Not like the light is needed to be moved all the time.
But a shot that should be able to be executed without interference from the light. if installed correctly.

By your definition of hillbilly pool. If a chair is pushed out in the isle,,then both players should shoot around it.

Hee Haw!!!
This is kinda like saying,,you can't use a bridge on a 9 fter. For both players. Just leave yourself a better shot!!! Like the hillbillies!!!

Think of 2 tables next to each other in a bar. One has a low hanging light and the other has lights up on the ceiling!!! And there are massee shooting hillbillys everywhere!!!

 

[3RAILKICK]

LOL!! I had to read this post twice. Thrice even!!! lol

not to derail...but thrice-may be an AZB first. (Snagglepuss couldn't have said it better...EVEN)

back on topic...think I saw Orcullo hold the light for Jason Shaw on a recent stream...for a jump shot attempt. Maybe the Swanee tournament at hardtimes...apparently it happens by the big boys too.

 

[Cdryden]

I thought pool was gentlemans game.
Cocaine is one hell of a drug.
I love lamp.

Do you really love the lamp or are you just picking things in the room and saying you love them?

 

[Spimp13]

Do you really love the lamp or are you just picking things in the room and saying you love them?

Sorry...had to channel my inner Chris Banks on the post....

Honestly I don't think this is the end of the world here. Over reactions happen. I was serious about trying to keep pool a gentleman's game though. I am the type of guy that will tell you that you are shooting the wrong ball in 9 ball ball (like the 5 when the 4 is still on the table). Is it my job to do that or is it your job to pay attention to what ball you are on??..it doesn't matter to me as I don't want to win on a technicality. I want to beat you. This example of moving the light to help out is not bad at all. Some people are nice and do it, others do not...doesn't make them bad people either to each their own.