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tommyceilings said:
I'm curious. You say you made your number available and helped with a small favor, yet previously you stated that no one but casinos gets things done, and you yourself have been ripped off multiple times, but this doesn't happen If you are juiced in, and you aren't.

Last I checked, you aren't a casino.

Could you please explain what help are you to the project?
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I have no juice with Clark County, not now. I do the City of Las Vegas.

And yes I got robbed by contractors for millions over a 12 year period in Vegas.

Yes I did do Larry a small favor, He had a blue print of he evacuation plan for the fire dept. However that wasnt good enough for the fire dept. So I pulled a couple strings and used the juice I have to get 8 or 9 tables installed into the venue to satisfy the evacuation plan as requested by the fire dept, this was in Sept or Oct, I think not think it was late as Nov, had to be first part of Oct. It aint easy to talk someone into gring over 8-9 tables and setting them up to show the fire dept that the blue prints and build out were one and the same. the tables were not properly installed(leveled etc) just there to show the Fire dept. Larry called me and asked me for the favor, took me a couple hours. I wanted to do what I could to expedite BB, I didnt get paid or ask for anything, i was glad to help out.


Here is where it got weird, after the tables were in the FD, I was told was happy, then the plan was to remove them(just tempoaty until Larry could buy tables) he had a deadline with the FD so he needed tables ASAP, didnt matter if they were junk. He wasnt going to open with out reinstalling his own tables. So no henky move there. after they got a C of O. This makes sense cause usually the FD is the biggest problem for obtaining a C of O.

So this is whereIt gets weird, a couple months later in Dec M-Cup is going I listen to the players talk, I have little to say, infact until now I never mentioned specifically what i did, and it wasnt all that much, but it did save him lots of $$$ had he went out and bought 8-9 tables. The weird part is after we get back from London I hear the GC wasnt a licensed GC, not uncommon in Vegas. but I NEVER once saw a unlicensed GC call for a FD inspection, because that puts them(their GC scam at risk). See where I'm going, in Feb Larry said "We got robbed and need a new GC" fair enough, who then wanted the tables for a evacuation plan? Larry, the phony GC or the FD. As you well know pool tables are low and I would venture to guess that the diagram of their placement should pass with the FD, now if they were 10' tall and you couldnt see a viable escape route then the installation of them would be mandatory, but in any pool room I always look for the back door(not only cause of a fire ;) )


So thats kinda weird, all I did was arrange the tables for his inspection-a small favor. I did him a BIG favor, he didnt listen, I said Atlanta or Dallas.


thats all i got,

best
eric
 
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Fatboy said:
So thats kinda weird, all I did was arrange the tables for his inspection-a small favor. I did him a BIG favor, he didnt listen, I said Atlanta or Dallas.
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The fraudulent GC made tons of excuses to stall until he could find a way to get his license back and acquire real permits. One of the many excuses was that we needed the tables in there to pass the fire inspection. What he didn't anticipate, is that we'd actually get those tables. When we did, no inspection was ever called.

On a side note, Eric, I'm not sure what you and Larry had figured out as a solution to getting 10 tables, but we ended up just renting them from Diamond for a month.
 
tommyceilings said:
I'm curious. You say you made your number available and helped with a small favor, yet previously you stated that no one but casinos gets things done, and you yourself have been ripped off multiple times, but this doesn't happen If you are juiced in, and you aren't.

Last I checked, you aren't a casino.

Could you please explain what help are you to the project?
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i have ZERO juice like that, building inspectors etc. I have one person at the city that solves problems for me, he dont break the law, he just makes things happen real fast-thats juice enuff for me. I have juice with local business people because i ve been there 20 years. and am good action for them.


FYI: Casinos hire their own building inspectors which sppeds things up dramatically. And they hire local union guys(who nobody else can afford) and bring in out of state contractors and work 24//7. they have unlimited resources, They can build a 1,000,000 sqft convention center and a 3000 room hotel in the same 2 years it takes to build a 15,000 sqft house for anyone else. Its amazing to see how fast those things go up, they got their shit together, and the Govt is going to green light them because the tax %(on the daily drop) is huge cant recall the number. Thats big support.

they dont give a rats ass about a guy building a house, some of the big home builders Pardee? Toll Brothers, and several others got juice after 2000 and tracts that used to take 3-4 years to build out, were up in a year or less.

Corruption in Nv is huge, if your on the right side of it you can get things done. I never was. I lost ALL the lawsuits with contractors except one, I had a $400,000 drive way into my house that littely fell to shit in 2 years, in mediation I got $100,000 back, lawyer cost ,me $50,000 and my drive way was still shit, i sold the house, had i kept it I would have redid the thing.

tough action there, the strip is a mgic trick, makes a shitty place look great. Dont get me wrong i did very well in vegas and am glad I went there, it just isnt the glamour most people at the pool, casino, show, dinner, think it is.
 
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nathandumoulin said:
The fraudulent GC made tons of excuses to stall until he could find a way to get his license back and acquire real permits. One of the many excuses was that we needed the tables in there to pass the fire inspection. What he didn't anticipate, is that we'd actually get those tables. When we did, no inspection was ever called.

On a side note, Eric, I'm not sure what you and Larry had figured out as a solution to getting 10 tables, but we ended up just renting them from Diamond for a month.
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Nathen, who do you think called Mark and asked him for a favor at Larrys request? I HAD THE ONLY SOLUTION THE BCA WEARHOUSE< LArry had no idea what to do(no disrespect)After I called EVERY retail store in Vegas and got shot down I called Mark(he had the tables) so then i called larry with the solution.. I didnt put that in the street at the time. Watchez was saying Mark nad Lary should be doing biz together on a thread here a week after I got them together, they were both a little uncomfortable talking, so since I know both sides real well, I called mark and told him of larrys problem and Mark was triple cool. Watchez was right, just a week late, he is very smart.

I told Mark the problem and he came thru, thats a very stand up thing he did. he didnt have too, he was looking out for the good of pool.


"I just didnt say anything, run deep and run silent". I do lots of stuff in pool I dont put on AZB, thats why i ignore FB-telling the world all my shit-f*ck all that noise. I do what I can to make things happen in pool, i brokered a little peace between 2 competitors (kinda sorta) in pool, then i stepped aside, didnt make a penny. i just knew if i spoke to mark, honestly it was their best chance, I didnt call Mark about that wth out Larry s permission, i talk to Mark 3-4 times a year and none of what we talk about goes past our conversations except this, and i dnt think Mark or Larry will be upset with me.

so i'm the guy who had that idea, at first they the BB crew didnt like it, I said after getting shut down everywhere else, I can call Mark. Mark has doe me more favors than I have him, so he was very gracious. I know it wasnt free but he had to cover the moving costs.


that was me man,



best
eric
 
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D_Lewis said:
Shiiiiiiiit.

Bonus Ball IS going to happen. I cant say its going to make a boat load of cash but for sure it will happen.

Maybe someone should ask Barry when he was let go from Bonus Ball. From what Ive seen, especially on here is that Barry was a big negative for Bonus Ball. He got into arguments, made himself look stupid and then of course because everyone assumed he was the Bonus Ball guy that made them look stupid also. Barry was/is an embarassment to himself.

I wouldnt want to stereotype but he seems very trailer trashesque to me. I dont live in a palace but I dont act like a complete idiot either. There were discussions on here that he engaged in with members where if they were pro bonus ball I am sure a lot of bandwagon jumpers would have came on board also. People who are respected because they call them as they see them or for what they've done for billiards on their own. This was a huge negative for Bonus Ball and it was all because Barry wouldnt keep his mouth (fingers) shut.
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It seems that if you give honest and professional answer on these forums your a huge negative. If you are like Larry Chiborak and hide from people or like Cleary and act like a dam fool, your held in high esteem. Well, I always have and will answer question about Bonus Ball if they are asked. It is my nature.

Larry Chiborak was been operating under cloak and dagger for two years now. I have become friends with many professional players and saw them hurt by his business actions. I stood back and let him run the company since he was the President. I have continually asked for financials of the company to deaf ears. After I personally flew myself to Las vegas and uncovered this construction boon doogle, Larry went totally solo on me.

I told one player honesty, I didn't know if he has all the prize money that he talks about. I figured not, because he won't produce me any evidence that he does. Of course, I got a screaming phone call on how I was destroying the company :confused: by saying that and that they would find the funds. He also was fuming when I lectured him on on the stupid business decisions he has made the last year. He has since withdrawn from speaking to me and has been trying to push me out of the company.


As Executive vice-president of the company and a shareholder, it is my right to see the financials. His behavior led me to begin doing my own research. I found that he has secretly brought in several investors and instead of selling them his shares in the company, and informing myself, the second in command, he has formed a new American LLC company behind my back. Can he do this legally, I will let the courts determine this but in the meantime, I have determined he has abandoned the World Wide Sport of Billiards and as the second largest shareholder and executive vice-president, I have assumed control because he refuses to respond to my request of these financials and any of my texts and emails. Until such time as he fires me, which is his right as President of the company, I am continuing marketing of Bonus Ball.

I have stated to many players that they need to have the prize monies put forth into a trust fund and should ask for plane fare to Las Vegas for this third or fourth grand opening. It's simply good business. I can't lie to players who have become my friends that the funds are all there because I have no evidence. I hope I'm wrong. I also wanted to see the dream become reality. My legal battle with Chiborak will be settled in the future, if there is a future. If he launches, great, I will buy my ticket and cheer on my favorite team. At this time, the WPBL is all Larry Chiborak's ship to steer. That's my honest answer and Im not going to argue my case on this forum. However, you can text me questions at barry@playbonusball.com about Bonus Ball!

Barry Bremner
Executive vice-president of the World Wide Sport of Billiards Corporation, Canada.
 
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nathandumoulin said:
You've always been one of the biggest supporters and a friend, so that doesn't surprise me one bit. Always appreciated. :)
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I feel the same about you, and thats also why it was important to me, i want to see you do well. IMO your the best in the biz, your production quality is amazing!!! take care my friend, hope to see you soon.:):)
 
Hairy-Redneck said:
Bonus Ball will be dead in 2 years. If most of the general population can't grasp 9 ball rules what makes you think they'll understand bonusball? With that being said I'm a pool fanatic and I enjoy watching bonusball. I hope I'm wrong about it's future.
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I am curious what kind of market research went into BB.You see allot of seemingly whacky stuff but when there is marketing pros behind it it usually does well.
 
When I first met Larry and he showed me this game, I said it was a fun game but had flaws. I said let's have a tournament with top league players in Winnipeg and let's have them play Eight Ball, Bonus Ball and then finish with Nine Ball. It was ok, we had over 100 players and they played Bonus Ball well for the most part. We did find out some flaws and I corrected them. This is when I first introduced "TARGETING" the Bonus Ball and a timing system. We used a egg timer and Larry had some old scoreboards with LED lights.

It worked fairly well. Every where I went and showed people the game, they were all excited about the game. However, we were told that to properly market this to the world, we were looking at millions. Realising that it would take forever traveling around the world teaching this game, why not take a few million and start our own professional league! That is where this WPBL league was born. I suggested we have at least one main stream game but the president over ruled that thought. I guess he is a bigger gambler than me. I still would have started out with two games. I still may some day if I decide to pursue this much longer.

That was the marketing research. What do you think? Should Larry have listened to me or going with this unknown game was the correct marketing strategy??? Would it really have mattered given the mistakes he made the last two years? You have to remember that this was only done a few times in the past, starting a professional league with a fringe game. They all ended up in disaster!
 
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This is beyond ridiculous. The more stuff you post on here, the more disorganized and disfunctional BonusBall looks. Stop while you are behind, please.

vpbb123 said:
When I first met Larry and he showed me this game, I said it was a fun game but had flaws. I said let's have a tournament with top league players in Winnipeg and let's have them play Eight Ball, Bonus Ball and then finish with Nine Ball. It was ok, we had over 100 players and they played Bonus Ball well for the most part. We did find out some flaws and I corrected them. This is when I first introduced "TARGETING" the Bonus Ball and a timing system. We used a egg timer and Larry had some old scoreboards with LED lights.

It worked fairly well. Every where I went and showed people the game, they were all excited about the game. However, we were told that to properly market this to the world, we were looking at millions. Realising that it would take forever traveling around the world teaching this game, why not take a few million and start our own professional league! That is where this WPBL league was born. I suggested we have at least one main stream game but the president over ruled that thought. I guess he is a bigger gambler than me. I still would have started out with two games. I still may some day if I decide to pursue this much longer.

That was the marketing research. What do you think? Should Larry have listened to me or going with this unknown game was the correct marketing strategy??? Would it really have mattered given the mistakes he made the last two years? You have to remember that this was only done a few times in the past, starting a professional league with a fringe game. They all ended up in disaster!
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vpbb123 said:
That was the marketing research. What do you think?
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I think more listening needed to be done when this topic faced so much backlash on the forums. There is a reason those new games failed, and that's partly because of how people assimilate new ideas into their collective culture.

Humans are very much creatures of habit. We'll often embrace inferior, but familiar products rather than take a risk on a new product. We're naturally risk adverse. It's one reason most new products fail, despite often times being brilliant ideas. It goes beyond even products. Take football, for instance. Despite the evidence that coaches punt the ball too much, coaches still opt to punt the ball on nearly every 4th down. Why? That's the way they've done it for 10,000 years! :wink: But, more importantly, it is what the fans are accustomed to, and despite the odds being well in favor of punting the ball less, the fans are accustomed to seeing the punt and react unfavorably when the coach opts not to punt. It becomes very clear that if he wants to keep his job, he'll perform to expectations, even if that means using inferior means to the commonly accepted ones.

That collective culture is very, very important to launching a new product. That's why many new products that do succeed look to find new demographics to gain a footing. It's why something like a movie can have a hard time innovating. The first thing that will tend to happen is to isolate what genre it goes in, and then it is compared to that genre. So, what we tend to get is a lot of rehashes that properly fit the pre-existing ideas we had. Again, it goes back to what is comfortable. We tend to compare new things to what we already have, and because we are risk adverse, overly criticize any potential perceived losses the new idea brings us. This notion that we compare to the existing is why misconceptions can be very difficult to change. This is why every creative industry is beseeched with the cry of 'there is no innovation'. The familiar sells, the new faces long odds.

I can remember some of the threads in the past on the topic, and relating it to other sports. One of the biggest things never brought up in those topics is the role culture plays. That's why NASCAR can have a footing in the larger automotive sports industry, or why some people like soccer but hate football (and vice versa). Culture, being a collective entity, is very powerful in constructing how groups feel about a product. It is estimated that fans have a loyalty rate to their team of 85%, which is pretty impressive considering so many of those relationships emerged as no more than products of the pre-existing culture of the area. As new product adoption rates show time and time again, merit or performance is often not enough to gain new adopters. That was a constant theme in the bonus ball threads.
 
Is it time to really look at other possibilities to where local rooms and venues can benefit from bonus ball around the country instead of centralizing 1 or 2 arenas? ESPN is working on an even better solution than what we've developed outside of ustream, audio video web, and others. Maybe we just let the amateurs have a crack at the bonus ball craze.

Be back later to discuss. Moving 40 tables into the hollywood casino here in columbus.

Zachypoo...
 
brophog said:
I think more listening needed to be done when this topic faced so much backlash on the forums. There is a reason those new games failed, and that's partly because of how people assimilate new ideas into their collective culture.

Humans are very much creatures of habit. We'll often embrace inferior, but familiar products rather than take a risk on a new product. We're naturally risk adverse. It's one reason most new products fail, despite often times being brilliant ideas. It goes beyond even products. Take football, for instance. Despite the evidence that coaches punt the ball too much, coaches still opt to punt the ball on nearly every 4th down. Why? That's the way they've done it for 10,000 years! :wink: But, more importantly, it is what the fans are accustomed to, and despite the odds being well in favor of punting the ball less, the fans are accustomed to seeing the punt and react unfavorably when the coach opts not to punt. It becomes very clear that if he wants to keep his job, he'll perform to expectations, even if that means using inferior means to the commonly accepted ones.

That collective culture is very, very important to launching a new product. That's why many new products that do succeed look to find new demographics to gain a footing. It's why something like a movie can have a hard time innovating. The first thing that will tend to happen is to isolate what genre it goes in, and then it is compared to that genre. So, what we tend to get is a lot of rehashes that properly fit the pre-existing ideas we had. Again, it goes back to what is comfortable. We tend to compare new things to what we already have, and because we are risk adverse, overly criticize any potential perceived losses the new idea brings us. This notion that we compare to the existing is why misconceptions can be very difficult to change. This is why every creative industry is beseeched with the cry of 'there is no innovation'. The familiar sells, the new faces long odds.

I can remember some of the threads in the past on the topic, and relating it to other sports. One of the biggest things never brought up in those topics is the role culture plays. That's why NASCAR can have a footing in the larger automotive sports industry, or why some people like soccer but hate football (and vice versa). Culture, being a collective entity, is very powerful in constructing how groups feel about a product. It is estimated that fans have a loyalty rate to their team of 85%, which is pretty impressive considering so many of those relationships emerged as no more than products of the pre-existing culture of the area. As new product adoption rates show time and time again, merit or performance is often not enough to gain new adopters. That was a constant theme in the bonus ball threads.
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Properly packaged and presented you can sell almost anything nowadays -- you cannot blame the audience.

Lou Figueroa
 
vpbb123 said:
It seems that if you give honest and professional answer on these forums your a huge negative. If you are like Larry Chiborak and hide from people or like Cleary and act like a dam fool, your held in high esteem. Well, I always have and will answer question about Bonus Ball if they are asked. It is my nature.

Larry Chiborak was been operating under cloak and dagger for two years now. I have become friends with many professional players and saw them hurt by his business actions. I stood back and let him run the company since he was the President. I have continually asked for financials of the company to deaf ears. After I personally flew myself to Las vegas and uncovered this construction boon doogle, Larry went totally solo on me.

I told one player honesty, I didn't know if he has all the prize money that he talks about. I figured not, because he won't produce me any evidence that he does. Of course, I got a screaming phone call on how I was destroying the company :confused: by saying that and that they would find the funds. He also was fuming when I lectured him on on the stupid business decisions he has made the last year. He has since withdrawn from speaking to me and has been trying to push me out of the company.


As Executive vice-president of the company and a shareholder, it is my right to see the financials. His behavior led me to begin doing my own research. I found that he has secretly brought in several investors and instead of selling them his shares in the company, and informing myself, the second in command, he has formed a new American LLC company behind my back. Can he do this legally, I will let the courts determine this but in the meantime, I have determined he has abandoned the World Wide Sport of Billiards and as the second largest shareholder and executive vice-president, I have assumed control because he refuses to respond to my request of these financials and any of my texts and emails. Until such time as he fires me, which is his right as President of the company, I am continuing marketing of Bonus Ball.

I have stated to many players that they need to have the prize monies put forth into a trust fund and should ask for plane fare to Las Vegas for this third or fourth grand opening. It's simply good business. I can't lie to players who have become my friends that the funds are all there because I have no evidence. I hope I'm wrong. I also wanted to see the dream become reality. My legal battle with Chiborak will be settled in the future, if there is a future. If he launches, great, I will buy my ticket and cheer on my favorite team. At this time, the WPBL is all Larry Chiborak's ship to steer. That's my honest answer and Im not going to argue my case on this forum. However, you can text me questions at barry@playbonusball.com about Bonus Ball!

Barry Bremner
Executive vice-president of the World Wide Sport of Billiards Corporation, Canada.
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Barry I aint busting your balls here at all, i'm worried about what you said, its heavy stuff.

Let me get this straight?

A: you have never seen financials of any sort? P&L, chart of accounts(break down of expenses), bank records.

B: Do you have any idea of the types of stock that are beig issued and their voting associated with the different class(s) of stock, there must be atthe very least 2 classes of stock.

C: have you ever seen the executive summary?

If you answered no to any of the 3 ??'s above, why in the world would you invest a dollar. Barry your a biz man, you know the CYA (Cover your Ass) thing dont you? you must you have 6 or 7 hearing aide centers unless you inherited them you got to have biz sense.


More questions, the HEAVY stuff:

1: Your alleging that Larry is raising more monies for BB at the arena I met you at?


I'll jus leave it at that one question right there, thats monster securities fraud, selling something twice is what your alleging and thats a BIG allegation here south of the boarder in America. You do a raise twice for the same biz, wow the Feds will have the promoter of that biz scheme nuts in a wringer super fast. Thats damn near a Ponzi deal-would be if he takes their $$$ to pay you. Until then its still a crime to raise $$$ twice for the same thing.

Please answer my last question first. I aint a lawyer but i spent more on them than they spend on law school.
 
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Barry I aint busting your balls here at all, i'm worried about what you said, its heavy stuff.
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Eric, you're a smart guy, you can't possibly believe that Barry is not batshit crazy. C'mon man. Don't get roped into these schenanigans.
 
Erik, Dave has rosed colored glasses on because no WPBL and they have no JOB. Simple as that.



A: you have never seen financials of any sort? P&L, chart of accounts(break down of expenses), bank records.
Larry and I had a partnership where I knew how much money we raised for the World Wide Sport of Billiards Corporation Canada. I never needed to ask for any financials. I trusted him. I also knew where all the money was going. I did ask him for copies of the bank statement but he shrugged me off. I began covering my ass that day forward.

B: Do you have any idea of the types of stock that are beig issued and their voting associated with the different class(s) of stock, there must be atthe very least 2 classes of stock.
I totally know all the stocks and the shareholders of the World Wide Sport of Billiards Corporation Canada and where the money went. It's when he started this WPBL venture that everything went into cloak and dagger mode.

C: have you ever seen the executive summary?
Yes...of the World Wide Sport of Billiards Corporation Canada

I have never seen nothing of the new corporation which he formed behind my back until lately. Then I realised that yes, this is a very bad year coming up for Chiborak. Where the hell he figured he could get away with all this is beyond me. Business 101 tells you, don't break security regulations. At the very least, don't piss in your Executive Vice-presidents corn flakes!

Now the HEAVY question Erik.

thats monster securities fraud, selling something twice is what your alleging and thats a BIG allegation here south of the boarder in America. You do a raise twice for the same biz, wow the Feds will have the promoter of that biz scheme nuts in a wringer super fast. Thats damn near a Ponzi deal-would be if he takes their $$$ to pay you. Until then its still a crime to raise $$$ twice for the same thing.

Yes. In Canada it is just as illegal as well and I have done my homework on this. He started a LLC in Las Vegas and called it The World Wide Sport of Billiards USA. I have now gotten all the info on that and found out recently that one of our original investors is now trying to set up a new corporation in Canada to replace this American company. He met me one day and was offering me a job with big perks. I asked him what then happens to my shares from the other company and he says that company will be no more. I said fine, if you buy my shares silly...since that day I have been told they were going to buy my shares but I have still not seen or heard a word from either him or John. My lawyer has advised me to distance myself from this whole mess and carry on with the company which I originally started with Larry.

It gets even uglier Erik. Larry and John had to sign a personal guarentees to get some of the investor money because he needed to pay the players at Christmas time. He was sweating like a pig and now I know why. This personal guarentee was based that he get these investors their shares...well they weren't going to get them from the llc. That explains John forming this fourth new company in Canada, to get these investors their shares to cover their asses on the promissary notes! They are personally on the hook for all this money if he can't pull off this scam...which is quickly exploding around him. I am the least of their worries right now, let me tell you!

Your an extremely smart man Erik, and I truely like Nathan and Dave. But... maybe you should sit them down and explain the serious consequences that Larry Chiborak is facing for how he has raised the money for the WPBL. Im saying no more about this here but I would meet you and continue on with this. Dave and Nathan better also pack up and go home. There is a shit storm just around the corner. As Mark Griffen stated on TAR 37 Podcast, Larry Chiborak has done just about everything totally wrong business wise and this is the first time he will hear about this investor mess. It's an amazing story that the book will surely make more money than the WPBL! If anyone has more information on these new investors, please forward it to barry@playbonusball.com

Players, if he somehow does get the WPBL launched, protect your ass! Im giving you good advice. This is uglier than you can imagine.
 
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Barry..

Unless you own 51% of an s-corp or llc you might as well own zero.

Larry can zero out your company with his vote and since your company has no revenue or asset value, your stock isn't worth anything. If he gave you money for your stock, it'd be a gift. If you were an at-risk investor, you can make a claim on the salvage value of your equipment, but that's it. There's almost nothing that prevents him from starting company "B" and doing an asset purchase of your company. He'll then show a loss and bankrupt your firm and there's little recourse.

Ask me how I know this.....

Sorry.

Sent from my DROID BIONIC using Tapatalk 2
 
You are correct to a point, if everything is done legally. That is where his whole plan has gone to zero. I also have several aces up my sleeve that of course, won't be laid down until the time is right! Like I said, I have been covering my ass! Sorry to hear that you got shafted before, I assume that is how you found out about getting screwed. I did this for the love of the game and I did receive about half of what I was owed for some of my original shares I sold to bring in the two original partners. Better than nothing. There is another company that no one knows about. I also own that and that is very value to me. It allows me to carry on with Bonus Ball, no matter what happens to the World Wide Sport of Billiards Corporation, Canada...the World Wide Sport of Billiards USA llc and ???the so called next company...LOL

Im not holding my breath on ever seeing a cent from him. The equipment that Nathan is sitting on is delicious looking but I assume the other investors will be scavaging all that. I feel bad for them. In Canada though, we have several safe guards against this type of thing. I don't know about USA law but this is something I do know, I am walking away with my pride and integrity and will continue play Bonus Ball with amateur players for years to come! :smile:


Where Larry will end up is beyond me? I actually feel bad for everyone that he has led down a path of stupidity. I marched along too, before standing up and saying, no more bull shit Chiborak. Like Nathan and Dave and many others, I really wanted to see this fly. It is a sad day. It's even sadder for the players if he does not get launched. Many have become good friends.
 
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