Pro One vs TOI

[stan shuffett]

Aiming System?

Cj, thank you for your comments about CTE PRO ONE.

Actually, aiming system, as a descriptor for PRO ONE is extremely limiting.
CTE PRO ONE is on a completely different plane than what is typically thought of for aiming systems. DVD2 will clearly show a new dimension in approaching our game has indeed arrived...


As far as feedback for misses, CTE PRO ONE always puts one's aim in an optimal line for friendly pocket entry...one example is that for CCB cut shots the shooter is always in an overcut aim. This will be very clear in the near future.

Stan Shuffett

 

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I generally am a tip below center with a slight angle to my cue as well. The reason no one can understand the TOI unless they experience it has a lot to do with not being able to imagine hitting the cue ball inside without spinning it much more than a "center ball" hit. Many of my TOI shots just have enough spin that if I hit the cue ball straight up table it would come back just an inch or two to either side of my tip. I do this by only following through as much as I draw the cue ball on each shot as a rule.

Extending your follow through is a VERY BAD habit because it exaggerates spin and deflection. I see more people miss informed about follow through than most other miss information combined. The most accurate stroke doesn't need much of a follow through at all, sometimes the extended follow through we pros use is for "show," and may even be intentionally miss leading (imagine that)

Words for the wise - don't watch your opponent play, especially if they're better players, just watch the cue ball, their body motions may be "miss" leading.

Good Morning CJ,

That is interesting regarding the follow through. I noticed in my last session that I was following through much more than I did when playing with english & even TOI-1. It actually feels good to let the stroke out but I definitely see your point.

I think there are obviously some issues that I am having in trying to 'master' CTC/CTE TOI & I think those concerns have let a few things creep into my subconscious that may not actually be beneficial in the long run. I almost always trust my subconscious but there may be a bit of a 'war' going on between 'him' & my consciousness right now.

I hear all that you say but at times some things seem to be at odds in the big picture.

I know you don't care for numbering TOI but it is easier & quicker. So, I would say that TOI-1 is everything you say TOI is. However, in TOI-2 more CB veere is required when aligned to just the two(2) CTC & CTE lines. More veere means more spin. They go hand in hand. I noticed in my last session that I was getting inside spin off the rail after OB contact much more often than with TOI-1.

Your suggestion that I might be pivoting has reminded me of a question I initially had from my 1st. encounter with CTC/CTE TOI.

Do you do any pivot or do you drop down with the cue aligned at all to the outside of the two alignments. For instance if the true line to the pocket was near the CTE line but still a more full hit than that line, would you pivot or drop down on a line between the CTC & CTE alignments? I know you would still be cueing inside, but is your cue alignment still parallel to the CTC line or do you go parallel to a line between the CTC & CTE line?

Thanks in advance,

 

[CJ Wiley]

Some days our stroke "hand/eye" coordination is different

Cj, thank you for your comments about CTE PRO ONE.

Actually, aiming system, as a descriptor for PRO ONE is extremely limiting.
CTE PRO ONE is on a completely different plane than what is typically thought of for aiming systems. DVD2 will clearly show a new dimension in approaching our game has indeed arrived...


As far as feedback for misses, CTE PRO ONE always puts one's aim in an optimal line for friendly pocket entry...one example is that for CCB cut shots the shooter is always in an overcut aim. This will be very clear in the near future.

Stan Shuffett

Yes, Stan, I'm sure the CTE Prne. is perfect as far as the position they put someone in to make the shot, but all players miss shots. I'm just wondering how (and when) you would recommend making these adjustments if you undercut or over cut a shot.

Some days our stroke "hand/eye" coordination is different, just because our minds or bodies are slightly different. I know from my own experience how to get my stoke "back on track" by the feed back of my shots (the patterns). I just wonder how this works with the Pro One way of playing.

Thanks, Stan, I hope you're doing well, I may see you in Tunica again. Aloha.

 

[CJ Wiley]

I've not seen a player hit a "knuckle ball" with absolutely no spin.

Good Morning CJ,

That is interesting regarding the follow through. I noticed in my last session that I was following through much more than I did when playing with english & even TOI-1. It actually feels good to let the stroke out but I definitely see your point.

I think there are obviously some issues that I am having in trying to 'master' CTC/CTE TOI & I think those concerns have let a few things creep into my subconscious that may not actually be beneficial in the long run. I almost always trust my subconscious but there may be a bit of a 'war' going on between 'him' & my consciousness right now.

I hear all that you say but at times some things seem to be at odds in the big picture.

I know you don't care for numbering TOI but it is easier & quicker. So, I would say that TOI-1 is everything you say TOI is. However, in TOI-2 more CB veere is required when aligned to just the two(2) CTC & CTE lines. More veere means more spin. They go hand in hand. I noticed in my last session that I was getting inside spin off the rail after OB contact much more often than with TOI-1.

Your suggestion that I might be pivoting has reminded me of a question I initially had from my 1st. encounter with CTC/CTE TOI.

Do you do any pivot or do you drop down with the cue aligned at all to the outside of the two alignments. For instance if the true line to the pocket was near the CTE line but still a more full hit than that line, would you pivot or drop down on a line between the CTC & CTE alignments? I know you would still be cueing inside, but is your cue alignment still parallel to the CTC line or do you go parallel to a line between the CTC & CTE line?

Thanks in advance,

If the hit is "fuller" than CTE then I would line up CTC. I ALWAYS hit the object ball thinner than I'm aligned. This is because the TOI over cuts the ball slightly. I always "aim" at the INSIDE of the pocket and calibrate the shot to hit center. This is how I've always done it and you can put as many numbers as you want on it (although this just leads to confusion). The fact is I've been saying the same thing, just in slightly different ways because I'm talking to thousands of people, not just one or two.

I LINE UP my body CTC or CTE and create the angle to the inside of the pocket off that "reference point" and on the cue ball it's about an less than a tip for me unless I'm spinning the cue ball. TOI is a "NO SPIN" system, and the "Inside" keeps confusing some people because they've only hear the word "inside" associated with english.....it's not inside english any more than "center" is not "center english".....there is spin involved, but there's always spin involved with you hit a cue ball. I've not seen a player hit a "knuckle ball" with absolutely no spin (consistently).

Spin and deflection, in small amounts create more control and accuracy. If you don't seek to control the spin and deflection you will always be a victim of it, rather than using it to your advantage.

 

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I went back to the hall today & jumped back on that 9' Diamond with the older 760 Simonis. The results were similar. TOI is very good if I just eye it up to the full it side of the pocket & hit with TOI. Position is okay but not up to my standards, usually misses on the long side.

I tried the CTC/CTE way & I am just inconsistent with it. I was getting frustrated AND...I hate the red circle ball. One of the new Diamonds was open so I switched & the new balls come with those tables & it has a logo ball. I immediately could tell the difference & ran the solids & the 8 but not with TOI. I was using spin to see the difference in the CB. Playing with these two(2) different balls is like night & day.

Anyway, I played shooting with both english & TOI based my perception of the shots. It was much, much, better than with the red circle. But playing with both styles is okay but misses do pop up. Then I decided to shoot everything by just seeing the shot & shooting with TOI. Balls were slamming into the center of the pockets right & left.

This was the best time I've had with TOI because I could control the CB very well with it. This makes me think & believe that the red circle ball was the biggest problem for me.

I just thought some might want to hear about my excursion & the difference with the logo ball.

Regards,

 

[CJ Wiley]

Life and Pool is about improvement momentum

I went back to the hall today & jumped back on that 9' Diamond with the older 760 Simonis. The results were similar. TOI is very good if I just eye it up to the full it side of the pocket & hit with TOI. Position is okay but not up to my standards, usually misses on the long side.

I tried the CTC/CTE way & I am just inconsistent with it. I was getting frustrated AND...I hate the red circle ball. One of the new Diamonds were open so I switched & the new balls come with those tables & it has a logo ball. I immediately could tell the difference & ran the solids & the 8 but not with TOI. I was using spin to see the difference in the CB. Playing with these two(2) different balls is like night & day.

Anyway, I played shooting with both english & TOI from my perception of the shots. It was much, much, better than with the red circle. But playing with both styles is okay but misses do pop up. Then I decided to shoot everything by just seeing the shot & shooting with TOI. Balls were slamming into the center of the pocket right & left.

This was the best time I've had with TOI because I could control the CB very well with it. This makes me think & believe that the red circle ball was the biggest problem for me.

I just thought some might want to hear about my excursion.

Regards,

The cue ball, tip, pool cue, etc makes some difference, however the way you move the cue to TOI makes the biggest difference. I would "lead with my back hand", that, for you is my best suggestion.

Remember, when you get to the highest level of TOI no one but you can tell you're doing it. This, takes extreme precision and is not something someone can "learn overnight" so be patience and keep moving forward towards the outcome you desire.....and make sure to move your back hand first when you move to the TOI position.

I'm going to pick up an new pool cue so I'll probably be playing a lot this coming week. The TOI BANKING VIDEO is taking "shape" as well (over 12 hours of information). Lot's of interesting things starting to take shape and form.....Life and Pool is about improvement momentum it seems. Like driving - If we're not going forward we're probably in a "rut", and such is life.

Enjoy Your Game

 

[GaryB]

So if it isn't an aiming system what is it?

A lot of people claim to have success with it - I just want to see video of it in action because I just don't get how choosing to play inside on every shot is a good idea.

I am interested in the average Joe like me who may be having success with this system.

Am I missing something?

And SVB uses outside siding - I have seen it in person

Gerry, if your game is average---Lord help the rest of us. When you guys who are doing videos of yourselves running 7 packs I would love it if you could call out your visuals and sweeps. It would certainly help those of us who neophytes in the art of CTE.

 

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The cue ball, tip, pool cue, etc makes some difference, however the way you move the cue to TOI makes the biggest difference. I would "lead with my back hand", that, for you is my best suggestion.

Remember, when you get to the highest level of TOI no one but you can tell you're doing it. This, takes extreme precision and is not something someone can "learn overnight" so be patience and keep moving forward towards the outcome you desire.....and make sure to move your back hand first when you move to the TOI position.

I'm going to pick up an new pool cue so I'll probably be playing a lot this coming week. The TOI BANKING VIDEO is taking "shape" as well (over 12 hours of information). Lot's of interesting things starting to take shape and form.....Life and Pool is about improvement momentum it seems. Like driving - If we're not going forward we're probably in a "rut", and such is life.

Enjoy Your Game

Hi CJ,

I tried your over correction suggestion some. The differece seemed to be undercuts. I understand what you think might be keeping me from just taking off with TOI, but I don't have that perception because the near straight in shots are working perfectly with the veereing of the CB. I know that I am getting the ball to veere off my cue line. All other shots are fine as well. Also, I am not lining up center & then shifting parallel. I am coming down with the cue parallel. IF... I perceive it to be incorrect I will make a MINUTE correction with either back or front hand til it is parallel with the center CB to OB 'sight' line.

I was happy with TOI before except for a lack of CB control to my standards. That was much better today with the Logo CB.

I was not happy with any of my control with the red circle ball. It's too light & too bouncy hot. Especially on the faster 760 Simonis.

All that being said I am in no way ready to shoot with TOI based off of just CTC & CTE for every shot. I may never be, at least not without some hypnosis to clear my mind of 45 years of shot line perceptions.

CJ, you've given me a whole 'new to me' style of play & it is ingrained in me. It will not leave my game. I may not be able to take it to the top level but I would bet that I will get even better with it as the main weapon in my arsenal.

For that I thank you, again.

How close is the TOI banking system?

Best Regards,

 

[CJ Wiley]

At level 7 "the teacher and student become one".

Hi CJ,

I tried your over correction suggestion some. The differece seemed to be undercuts. I understand what you think might be keeping me from just taking off with TOI, but I don't have that perception because the near straight in shots are working perfectly with the veereing of the CB. I know that I am getting the ball to veere off my cue line. All other shots are fine as well. Also, I am not lining up center & then shifting parallel. I am coming down with the cue parallel. IF... I perceive it to be incorrect I will make a MINUTE correction with either back or front hand til it is parallel with the center CB to OB 'sight' line.

I was happy with TOI before except for a lack of CB control to my standards. That was much better today with the Logo CB.

I was not happy with any of my control with the red circle ball. It's too light & too bouncy hot. Especially on the faster 760 Simonis.

All that being said I am in no way ready to shoot with TOI based off of just CTC & CTE for every shot. I may never be, at least not without some hypnosis to clear my mind of 45 years of shot line perceptions.

CJ, you've given me a whole 'new to me' style of play & it is ingrained in me. It will not leave my game. I may not be able to take it to the top level but I would bet that I will get even better with it as the main weapon in my arsenal.

For that I thank you, again.

How close is the TOI banking system?

Best Regards,

When you say "CTC/CTE" and "shot line" in this post It leads me to believe you think they're related. I may be totally off base and I'll risk being wrong to make sure you're clear about what I mean by "CTE/CTC Alignment".

I am aligning or "lining up" Center to Center on most of my shots (the others are CTE) ABOVE the table before I get down to shoot the shot. I look at this line like I would normally look at anything else, with my head squared to the "line" and standing straight up with good, natural posture.

At no time during this process (unless I'm shooting a straight in shot) do I believe or even think the shot line is center to center. I use my 'Ultimate Aiming System' for a "check and balance" if I need to or whatever visualization I need to see the angle I'm needing to create.

Center to center is a reference point for my body and my "visual center" to be in the same place relative to the shot EVERY TIME. This enables me to have an uncanny consistency, because as you progress in TOI you will be going towards the level that champions reach. At this level the cue ball does what you think....you become the cue ball (mentally) and the whole table and ever shot on it suddenly connects to the cue ball target.

This is a level you can't jump to, like you can't jump, in martial arts from "Brown Belt" to Master. There are levels and a process to mastery and at the beginning stages it's essential to build a solid foundation. Learning the TOI and how the cue ball reacts is the foundation. When we're beginners we learn how to (try to) hit center and feel what the cue ball does when it goes straight and contacts the object ball, etc.

At some point if we want to progress into better players we have to let the old teaching go and learn new things, and experiencing how the cue ball reacts to the TOI is the most effective way to do this in my opinion. This is a way to teach how to experience that highest level of pool when the cue ball and your mind are synchronized, however if you just always seek to "hit the ball straight" then you will hit a learning/teaching wall.

This is the wall that keeps many players at a "level 4/5" out of possible 7 (considered Mastery). At "level 7" all shots will seem the same and the "outer pool table" and the "inner cue ball" will connect as if there is a cable running between them. At level 7 "the teacher and student become one".

'The Game is the Teacher'

 

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CJ,

Thanks again for trying to help. We both know the difficulties of trying to communicate in text. For the purposes we are trying to utilize it, it is probably only less that 50% successful.

I have not been hitting the CB 'straight' since I was 13 years old. I started hitting off center back then on purpose to use english.

In 'CTE' the CTE line is the initial line of stance & point of reference & in CTE the initial cue line is parallel to that line before the pivot. In Pro1 the cue line is parallel to the CTE line in the mind before a 'sweep'/pivot is made in the air on the way down to the shot.

Is TOI a similiar two(2) part process?

You metioned your Ultimate Secrets Aiming Method. Are you using that method when down & set upon the actual shot? Is CTC & CTE a reference point while standing but not the actual line when you are down on the shot?

Or... are you going down on the shot with the cue just a touch parallel inside of the CTC or CTE line for every shot?

In other words, are you shooting certain shots with a 'portion' of the cue ball other than the center of the CB alinged to the center or edge of the object ball?

Simple answers to these questions I think will be the difference on whether or not TOI detractors remain such.

I'm on board with TOI, even if I remain in the lower passage section of the ship. TOI is working fine for me the way I am using it.

However... I can not set up down on the table with CTC & CTE with the cue parallel inside to just those lines & play with any consistency on shots that are not near to those lines. I can create angles off the CTC line, I can create angles off of the CTE line. However, as 8Pack-Anthony & Atlarge pointed out, those lines alone would take an enormous amount of feel for the correct amounts of CB veere for all of the different cut angles & distances between the CB & OB.

I will believe what ever you say as to how you are doing it, but I can't see myself using TOI based just off of the CTC & CTE lines. There are nearly 45 angle lines between them & another 45 past the CTE. I am not looking to have to learn the feel for CB veere for 90 different angle lines in one direction & another 90 angle lines in the other direction.

My 'aiming' perception is based on an equal & opposiste overlap of portions of the CB & OB. BUT, I do not limit them to 1/3, 1/4, 1/2, 1/8 etc. My overlaps run from CTC to ETE & every fraction in between & I assign no numbers to any of them. They are just visuals relative to the line the OB is to the pocket & the line the CB is to the OB. What fractional overlap will get me that angle & which one for outside english & which one for inside english, etc.

TOI with my visual perception of the connection of the CB to the OB to create the angle needed to the full hit side of the pocket is working very well for me. The CB control after contact was also fine yesterday with the LOGO ball instead of what is probably a worn down red circle ball.

I eagerly await & look forward to your answers of the three(3) questions above which I think should clarify TOI for many that may be confused by what you seem to have been saying.

Thanks again for all of your time & effort to help me & others AND...The Game.

Best Wishes & Best Regards,

PS Yesterday, for me, The Logo Cue Ball was The Teacher.

 

[Chrippa]

CJ,

Thanks again for trying to help. We both know the difficulties of trying to communicate in text. For the purposes we are trying to utilize it, it is probably only less that 50% successful.

I have not been hitting the CB 'straight' since I was 13 years old. I started hitting off center back then on purpose to use english.

In 'CTE' the CTE line is the initial line of stance & point of reference & in CTE the initial cue line is parallel to that line before the pivot. In Pro1 the cue line is parallel to the CTE line in the mind before a 'sweep'/pivot is made in the air on the way down to the shot.

Is TOI a similiar two(2) part process?

You metioned your Ultimate Secrets Aiming Method. Are you using that method when down & set upon the actual shot? Is CTC & CTE a reference point while standing but not the actual line when you are down on the shot?

Or... are you going down on the shot with the cue just a touch parallel inside of the CTC or CTE line for every shot?

In other words, are you shooting certain shots with a 'portion' of the cue ball other than the center of the CB alinged to the center or edge of the object ball?

Simple answers to these questions I think will be the difference on whether or not TOI detractors remain such.

I'm on board with TOI, even if I remain in the lower passage section of the ship. TOI is working fine for me the way I am using it.

However... I can not set up down on the table with CTC & CTE with the cue parallel inside to just those lines & play with any consistency on shots that are not near to those lines. I can create angles off the CTC line, I can create angles off of the CTE line. However, as 8Pack-Anthony & Atlarge pointed out, those lines alone would take an enormous amount of feel for the correct amounts of CB veere for all of the different cut angles & distances between the CB & OB.

I will believe what ever you say as to how you are doing it, but I can't see myself using TOI based just off of the CTC & CTE lines. There are nearly 45 angle lines between them & another 45 past the CTE. I am not looking to have to learn the feel for CB veere for 90 different angle lines in one direction & another 90 angle lines in the other direction.

My 'aiming' perception is based on an equal & opposiste overlap of portions of the CB & OB. BUT, I do not limit them to 1/3, 1/4, 1/2, 1/8 etc. My overlaps run from CTC to ETE & every fraction in between & I assign no numbers to any of them. They are just visuals relative to the line the OB is to the pocket & the line the CB is to the OB. What fractional overlap will get me that angle & which one for outside english & which one for inside english, etc.

TOI with my visual perception of the connection of the CB to the OB to create the angle needed to the full hit side of the pocket is working very well for me. The CB control after contact was also fine yesterday with the LOGO ball instead of what is probably a worn down red circle ball.

I eagerly await & look forward to your answers of the three(3) questions above which I think should clarify TOI for many that may be confused by what you seem to have been saying.

Thanks again for all of your time & effort to help me & others AND...The Game.

Best Wishes & Regards,

PS Yesterday, for me, The Logo Cue Ball was The Teacher.

Hi, good questions Rick and nicely put also. I think CJ think he has answered them but we do have questions still:smile:. CJ - It´s not that easy:embarrassed2:, we all have what you have but to put it simple - I don´t think we see it as clear as you do. I think we make it much more hard then it is, well most of us anyway.I do believe in your skill and your will to share your ways to get there but the small things are quite difficult to see some times....
In other words - we don´t get it as you do.. I think you have found a very easy way to get into the "zone", most of us have played there several times - but... not as long as you. So I guess the "zone" thing is what you need to describe next. What is it that you see, feel - I know you just feel it, but how can you be able to see it so often? Did I make sense here - don´t know but I do know how it feels to be in "dead stroke" and feel everything, and I do think that you have access to a easier path to get there then most of us. Seeing you do the rotation , one pocket and explaining it at the same time - well I don´t think there is no one who can do it like that, at least that easy. I understand every shot and why and I can do them all, but to do them like that....

Please get us the rest - we will get it eventually:wink:

Take care you all

Chrippa

 

[LAMas]

Hi, good questions Rick and nicely put also. I think CJ think he has answered them but we do have questions still:smile:. CJ - It´s not that easy:embarrassed2:, we all have what you have but to put it simple - I don´t think we see it as clear as you do. I think we make it much more hard then it is, well most of us anyway.I do believe in your skill and your will to share your ways to get there but the small things are quite difficult to see some times....
In other words - we don´t get it as you do.. I think you have found a very easy way to get into the "zone", most of us have played there several times - but... not as long as you. So I guess the "zone" thing is what you need to describe next. What is it that you see, feel - I know you just feel it, but how can you be able to see it so often? Did I make sense here - don´t know but I do know how it feels to be in "dead stroke" and feel everything, and I do think that you have access to a easier path to get there then most of us. Seeing you do the rotation , one pocket and explaining it at the same time - well I don´t think there is no one who can do it like that, at least that easy. I understand every shot and why and I can do them all, but to do them like that....

Please get us the rest - we will get it eventually:wink:

Take care you all

Chrippa

Good post.
How do you explain "zone"/dead stroke" where you don't make any execution errors and all of the balls drop?

It begins, for me, at surveying the sequence of shape for all of the balls and effecting the correct aim, adjustment for english and speed after your stroke is dialed in. This is done while standing and finalized when down on the shot.

The mind is a powerful thing but the body is weak.:smile:

 

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I'd like to say something about 'up' & 'down'. Many talk about doing almost everything while up & some mention minor adjustments if any when down & some would say no adjustments when down. Some say once down its routine & fire. IMHO one should keep in mind that the percpetion of an angle changes with the view point. I am a low eye player. I don't shoot a rifle from waist level with my eyes head high. I bring the rifle up to my eye level. In pool I bring my eyes down to very near cue level.

That being said the angle I see when standing tall is not the angle I see when down on a shot. That is because of the different viewpoints. IMO, although I have never before given it any quantitative thought I would think that the angle probably appears wider from above than when down closer to the table. I don't really know from experience as I never really paid much attention to it.

It came up yesterday in my TOI session. I wondered if I could see the amount of veere that I needed to create better if I raised up. I think one might be able to 'see' it better from that vantage point. I personally do not like being 'tall'.

When I am up from behind the CB I am assessing the angle from the OB to the pocket. Then...when I get down I assess what exact angle my cue needs to be to send the OB on that other angle.

I spend less time up on a shot once selected & more time down feeling the angle I need. I very often shoot many shots without ever looking at the actual pocket once I am down on the shot.

Yesterday, I heard a guy 'teaching' a fellow league teammate what his eye pattern should be & I thought to myself, how mechanical that is.

I don't know if this will help anyone but the thought just popped into my head when some 'talked' about what they do when up & then once down.

Regards,

 

[AtLarge]

... So I guess the "zone" thing is what you need to describe next. ...

Are you confusing "playing in the zone" with CJ's talk of using zones for position play? You might want to view his 15-ball-ghost video again to hear his discussion of position zones. It's on his website.

 

[LAMas]

ENGLISH,
While up, I often line my cue from the center of the OB to the pocket/target and relate that to the line from the CB to the GB to establish the angle at hand.

After HAMB, I can relate that angle to an aim point i.e. DD or CP to CP and decide if I am going to hit the shot with stun, top or draw, left or right english etc. - the resulting angle will be different in each case by a few degrees.

When I'm down on the shot, I can no longer see that original angle that I use.

We are different...viva la difference.:thumbup:

 

[ENGLISH!]

ENGLISH,
While up, I often line my cue from the center of the CB to the pocket/target and relate that to the line from the CB to the GB to establish the angle at hand.

After HAMB, I can relate that angle to an aim point i.e. DD or CP to CP and decide if I am going to hit the shot with stun, top or draw, left or right english etc. - the resulting angle will be different in each case by a few degrees.

When I'm down on the shot, I can no longer see that original angle that I use.

We are different...viva la difference.:thumbup:

I hear you. Did you mean OB in that bolded part?

I use to do that long ago & occasionally still do. Like you say you can no longer accurately see that angle when down. That's the point I intended to make, a different veiwpoint yields a different perception.

What went on yesterday & your post made me think about other posts & what others have said. I just thought I'd throw that out in case it could help someone.

There are many roads into The Land of Oz, where things change from black & white into living color.

In fact, I believe that's where the horse of a different color lives.



Best Regards,

 

[CJ Wiley]

the sensory switch in the pool stroke is VERY IMPORTANT to reaching the highest level

CJ,



You metioned your Ultimate Secrets Aiming Method. Are you using that method when down & set upon the actual shot? Is CTC & CTE a reference point while standing but not the actual line when you are down on the shot?

Or... are you going down on the shot with the cue just a touch parallel inside of the CTC or CTE line for every shot?

In other words, are you shooting certain shots with a 'portion' of the cue ball other than the center of the CB alinged to the center or edge of the object ball?

All my visual aiming is done ABOVE the cue ball, so no, I don't see CTC or CTE when I'm down on the shot, I am aware of either the center or edge of the object ball, but there's no reason to "aim" at it. The aiming should be taken care of above the ball, then you "dim" your visual sense so you can FEEL THE SHOT at your maximum level.

Our senses increase if one is decreased. If you keep your visual sense HIGH when down on the shot you will never have the Feel/Touch that a champion player has. This is not difficult, you just have to be aware of the process and I can explain it in detail if necessary.

I have "Touched" on this (sensory switch) several times, however, it seem to be taken lightly, believe me the sensory switch in the pool stroke is VERY IMPORTANT to reaching the highest levels.

 

[CJ Wiley]

'The Game's Zone is the Teacher'

Hi, good questions Rick and nicely put also. I think CJ think he has answered them but we do have questions still:smile:. CJ - It´s not that easy:embarrassed2:, we all have what you have but to put it simple - I don´t think we see it as clear as you do. I think we make it much more hard then it is, well most of us anyway.I do believe in your skill and your will to share your ways to get there but the small things are quite difficult to see some times....
In other words - we don´t get it as you do.. I think you have found a very easy way to get into the "zone", most of us have played there several times - but... not as long as you. So I guess the "zone" thing is what you need to describe next. What is it that you see, feel - I know you just feel it, but how can you be able to see it so often? Did I make sense here - don´t know but I do know how it feels to be in "dead stroke" and feel everything, and I do think that you have access to a easier path to get there then most of us. Seeing you do the rotation , one pocket and explaining it at the same time - well I don´t think there is no one who can do it like that, at least that easy. I understand every shot and why and I can do them all, but to do them like that....

Please get us the rest - we will get it eventually:wink:

Take care you all

Chrippa

You're right, getting "into the zone" is not an easy matter. I trained for many years to be able to do this at will and it is still something that must be maintained.

'The Zone' is a state of mind that the brain levels actually lower from Beta down to Alpha and it's like the state of driving where you don't remember anything for several minutes. The pool zone is basically the same thing and can be reached through certain types of breathing.

Breathing is the bridge that connects the conscious mind to the sub conscious mind. You can think about your breathing (now) or you can go for days and not give it a second thought.

Bringing conscious attention to a sub conscious activity is the quickest, most effective way to enter this Zone. 'The Game's Zone is the Teacher'

 

[ENGLISH!]

CJ,

You metioned your Ultimate Secrets Aiming Method. Are you using that method when down & set upon the actual shot? Is CTC & CTE a reference point while standing but not the actual line when you are down on the shot?

Or... are you going down on the shot with the cue just a touch parallel inside of the CTC or CTE line for every shot?

In other words, are you shooting certain shots with a 'portion' of the cue ball other than the center of the CB alinged to the center or edge of the object ball?

All my visual aiming is done ABOVE the cue ball, so no, I don't see CTC or CTE when I'm down on the shot, I am aware of either the center or edge of the object ball, but there's no reason to "aim" at it. The aiming should be taken care of above the ball, then you "dim" your visual sense so you can FEEL THE SHOT at your maximum level.

Our senses increase if one is decreased. If you keep your visual sense HIGH when down on the shot you will never have the Feel/Touch that a champion player has. This is not difficult, you just have to be aware of the process and I can explain it in detail if necessary.

I have "Touched" on this (sensory switch) several times, however, it seem to be taken lightly, believe me the sensory switch in the pool stroke is VERY IMPORTANT to reaching the highest levels.

Hi CJ,

So, I'll take that as your cue is not always parallel to the CTC &/or CTE line for every shot.

It may be that some other portion of the Cue Ball that is aligned to the center or edge of the OB with your cue aligned parallel a 'touch' inside of that line.

It is what ever is 'felt' for the shot at hand.

In other words. if you have a nearly straight in shot & you are getting alot of veere for some reason on this particular day on this particular table, your cue might wind up being aligned to the side of the OB that would cut the ball away from the pocket but the veere would make the ball contact it on the side that would cut the ball into the pocket.

Is that correct?

Best Regards,

Edit: By 'veere' above, I mean CB 'squirt'/deflection. I am not referring to CB 'swerve' which is the curve caused by spin.

 

[LAMas]

Hi CJ,

So, I'll take that as your cue is not always parallel to the CTC &/or CTE line for every shot.

It may be that some other portion of the Cue Ball that is aligned to the center or edge of the OB with your cue aligned parallel a 'touch' inside of that line.

It is what ever is 'felt' for the shot at hand.

In other words. if you have a nearly straight in shot & you are getting alot of veere for some reason on this particular day on this particular table, your cue might wind up being aligned to the side of the OB that would cut the ball away from the pocket but the veere would make the ball contact it on the side that would cut the ball into the pocket.

Is that correct?

Best Regards,

Do you mean the more accepted term...Swerve?

http://billiards.colostate.edu/threads/squirt.html#confusion