"C" Player uses "Feel" to beat the ghost 9-1

[JB Cases]

Good shootin', John!

BTW, pool gloves go on your bridge hand.

My fingers are dry and cracked and it so happens that the forefinger and middle finger are the worst. The glove turned out to be a perfect solution to alleviate the irritation while holding the cue.

 

[Mirza]

What did you use, manual CTE with half a ball left to right pivot (your usual), or CTE/Pro1, I cant tell?

 

[iusedtoberich]

Nice shooting JB. Thanks for the action. I'll ship the cash soon and let you know when I did.

I didn't count, but noticed on your video you also hit several shots (that fell) a bit sloppy, and they hit the rails on the way in. I only bring this up because you mentioned on my video that was a sign feel aiming doesn't work well enough. So how do you account for the same symptoms of hitting the rail on your video that were also on mine?

By the logic you used when addressing my shooting, shouldn't the same logic be used to critique your own video?

I'll be out of town for a few days, might only be able to read a bit hear and there, probably won't be able to participate much till I return.

 

[iusedtoberich]

Donation sent to big truck.

 

[Tony_in_MD]

One thing for sure, there were no arrows on the table.

:smile:

 

[JB Cases]

Nice shooting JB. Thanks for the action. I'll ship the cash soon and let you know when I did.

I didn't count, but noticed on your video you also hit several shots (that fell) a bit sloppy, and they hit the rails on the way in. I only bring this up because you mentioned on my video that was a sign feel aiming doesn't work well enough. So how do you account for the same symptoms of hitting the rail on your video that were also on mine?

By the logic you used when addressing my shooting, shouldn't the same logic be used to critique your own video?

I'll be out of town for a few days, might only be able to read a bit hear and there, probably won't be able to participate much till I return.

Sure, and that's because my stroke is crap. When I bear down and really train my stroke, combined with the aiming system then it's a great thing (as great a thing as my game could ever be at this point anyway).

And some of the shots I am using the side rails deliberately to be able to play the shape I want. Both Efren and Bustamante do this a lot and I picked it up from them. You can aim for center pocket using a system and adjust the hit so that the object ball grazes the rail instead of not touching the rail. This tiny shift can mean the difference in having to force shape or being able to stroke it softer and move the cue ball naturally.

But most of the shots are simply lucky if I dogged the stroke and they still went in. One advantage to using an aiming system for me is the fact that I can depend on it even if I am dogging the stroke and falling out of line a lot. If my arm is oiled up and I have the cue ball on a string then using an aiming system makes it feel like everything is easy. Almost too easy and leads to complacency and losing focus.

All in all though it's fun and I think I like the drill. I did frustrate myself by missing a lot of truly easy shots by taking them for granted. Because of this it took me a lot longer to finish it than I thought it would because I tend to think I don't need any warmup and can just step to the table ready to play any time. This body is wearing out and definitely needs to have the kinks worked out before what's left of the stroke starts working.

I had to make myself relax and just focus and when I did things went better.

I am not as diligent as Gerry or Duke and haven't put in the hours with CTE that they have. If I had then I have no doubt I'd be extremely dialed in. Here I was using mostly the most basic version of CTE and by that I mean literally sight the center to the edge, come in an pivot to the shot line. If I were proficient in ProOne after putting in the time required then I have no doubt I could beat this without a bead of sweat in even less time and that is the whole point for me.

 

[Fast Lenny]

Can I bet doing 4 Nicky Boy?

 

[JB Cases]

Can I bet doing 4 Nicky Boy?

You know I was actually thinking it would be fun to lay down some small bets on beating the x# ghost in x-amount of time.

Once upon a time when I had my shop in Colorado there was a guy who LOVED to gamble and he would come to my shop often. I didn't have time to play him all day so what I did was set a a video camera and let him play the ghost for $100 a set. He would start with the seven ball ghost and if he beat it then he had to go up a ball and if he lost he could down a ball. We capped it at the five ball ghost. All this on a barbox. I would monitor it from my office and keep track of the bet.

I never lost. Sometimes he would be down to the five ball ghost and still not get there. It was like a free $100-$400 every time he came over but he loved to try it.

We should do something like that here between those of us who have cameras.

 

[Fast Lenny]

You know I was actually thinking it would be fun to lay down some small bets on beating the x# ghost in x-amount of time.

Once upon a time when I had my shop in Colorado there was a guy who LOVED to gamble and he would come to my shop often. I didn't have time to play him all day so what I did was set a a video camera and let him play the ghost for $100 a set. He would start with the seven ball ghost and if he beat it then he had to go up a ball and if he lost he could down a ball. We capped it at the five ball ghost. All this on a barbox. I would monitor it from my office and keep track of the bet.

I never lost. Sometimes he would be down to the five ball ghost and still not get there. It was like a free $100-$400 every time he came over but he loved to try it.

We should do something like that here between those of us who have cameras.

Well you probably play better then me and I rarely ever play rotation but would give this a shot doing 4 and ten racks in a row.

 

[JB Cases]

Well you probably play better then me and I rarely ever play rotation but would give this a shot doing 4 and ten racks in a row.

try that on someone else Killer. Here is a suggestion, critique Nick's game and he might challenge you to the same game and give you three days to do it.

Here is one we can do though between us. Let's do a one pocket run out contest. Break, ball in hand and run as many as you can. Same format as Jay's one hole challenge except we do this. Play ten racks consecutively and upload the video. Set it to unlisted.

Then we both make it public at the same time and see who ran more balls. 48 hours to give us time to do our thing, get the best ten racks in and upload the vid. $50 is the bet. You in?

Not trying to get rich here but would like some friendly competition among my friends.

 

[Fast Lenny]

try that on someone else Killer. Here is a suggestion, critique Nick's game and he might challenge you to the same game and give you three days to do it.

Here is one we can do though between us. Let's do a one pocket run out contest. Break, ball in hand and run as many as you can. Same format as Jay's one hole challenge except we do this. Play ten racks consecutively and upload the video. Set it to unlisted.

Then we both make it public at the same time and see who ran more balls. 48 hours to give us time to do our thing, get the best ten racks in and upload the vid. $50 is the bet. You in?

Not trying to get rich here but would like some friendly competition among my friends.

I would but I play on Diamond tables that are tough, so it would not really be an equal challenge unless you are doing it on a Diamond table too.

 

[ps611846]

Sure, and that's because my stroke is crap. When I bear down and really train my stroke, combined with the aiming system then it's a great thing (as great a thing as my game could ever be at this point anyway).

And some of the shots I am using the side rails deliberately to be able to play the shape I want. Both Efren and Bustamante do this a lot and I picked it up from them. You can aim for center pocket using a system and adjust the hit so that the object ball grazes the rail instead of not touching the rail. This tiny shift can mean the difference in having to force shape or being able to stroke it softer and move the cue ball naturally.

But most of the shots are simply lucky if I dogged the stroke and they still went in. One advantage to using an aiming system for me is the fact that I can depend on it even if I am dogging the stroke and falling out of line a lot. If my arm is oiled up and I have the cue ball on a string then using an aiming system makes it feel like everything is easy. Almost too easy and leads to complacency and losing focus.

All in all though it's fun and I think I like the drill. I did frustrate myself by missing a lot of truly easy shots by taking them for granted. Because of this it took me a lot longer to finish it than I thought it would because I tend to think I don't need any warmup and can just step to the table ready to play any time. This body is wearing out and definitely needs to have the kinks worked out before what's left of the stroke starts working.

I had to make myself relax and just focus and when I did things went better.

I am not as diligent as Gerry or Duke and haven't put in the hours with CTE that they have. If I had then I have no doubt I'd be extremely dialed in. Here I was using mostly the most basic version of CTE and by that I mean literally sight the center to the edge, come in an pivot to the shot line. If I were proficient in ProOne after putting in the time required then I have no doubt I could beat this without a bead of sweat in even less time and that is the whole point for me.

The stroke problem you mention is caused by your stance. You have to learn proper body position (eyes, shoulders,feet) in order to make it work. If you see the visuals correctly and get down in the right way, you should hit the center of the pocket almost every time. Those "stroke corrections" you make don't have to do with your stroke. Your stroke will be straight if your head-shoulders-feet are in the the right position. You have to find what works for you to center pocket balls using the visuals. Just watch Gerry, Landon and Stan. They have different head positions because they don't perceive the visuals in the same way. watch Gerry's and Landon's head posistion and stance. Big difference between these two players. For me, my head position and my left shoulder almost do all the work.

 

[JB Cases]

I would but I play on Diamond tables that are tough, so it would not really be an equal challenge unless you are doing it on a Diamond table too.

The pockets on my shop table are just slightly over 4.25" and they don't take slop. It's only $50 not the end of the world - we can agree to show the pocket measurement on video. It's ok if you don't want to do it, no sweat, just thought it would be something fun to mess around with. Here I will make it sweeter for you. My $50 to your $35 and you can pay me with a video or two.

 

[JB Cases]

The stroke problem you mention is caused by your stance. You have to learn proper body position (eyes, shoulders,feet) in order to make it work. If you see the visuals correctly and get down in the right way, you should hit the center of the pocket almost every time. Those "stroke corrections" you make don't have to do with your stroke. Your stroke will be straight if your head-shoulders-feet are in the the right position. You have to find what works for you to center pocket balls using the visuals. Just watch Gerry, Landon and Stan. They have different head positions because they don't perceive the visuals in the same way. watch Gerry's and Landon's head posistion and stance. Big difference between these two players. For me, my head position and my left shoulder almost do all the work.

I can see where you are coming from and I do feel that sometimes. This is where I really need to put in the ProOne time because I know when I use it then it's much more accurate in leading me to the right body position. When I tried the reference shots using the visual instructions I was very accurate. I am just too lazy to put in the time. But I did buy some reinforcers when in the States to use to mark the table.

 

[ps611846]

I can see where you are coming from and I do feel that sometimes. This is where I really need to put in the ProOne time because I know when I use it then it's much more accurate in leading me to the right body position. When I tried the reference shots using the visual instructions I was very accurate. I am just too lazy to put in the time. But I did buy some reinforcers when in the States to use to mark the table.

I always thought that i should stand and shoot with my head to the left side of the cue. That was causing a really bad stroke. And yes, i was making many shots (and also missing badly) but i had the feeling that something was wrong and my stroke was bad. Now, i bring my head to the right and this leads my body to find a stance that will produce a good stroke. My stance now looks like Landon's stance. It is the only way for me to see the visuals correctly and make my body follow. So, while i had the feeling that i should play with my right eye over the cue, i end up using a completely different setup. I can't tell if i am right or left eye dominant. I can just say that i have to keep my head to the right (i am right handed) in order to see the visuals and keep my stroke straight.

 

[Fast Lenny]

The pockets on my shop table are just slightly over 4.25" and they don't take slop. It's only $50 not the end of the world - we can agree to show the pocket measurement on video. It's ok if you don't want to do it, no sweat, just thought it would be something fun to mess around with. Here I will make it sweeter for you. My $50 to your $35 and you can pay me with a video or two.

During the 48 hour period I might get a few hours in on a table also as I do not have one at home or at my convenience 24/7. I would have to go to a poolroom and set up a camera so although it sounds like fun it is also a bit of a hassle for me to do. Thanks for the offer though anyway. Nicks challenge would make more sense for me if he is interested, he has seen me play and surely knows I do not play 9 ball. What number would you bet against me in ten consecutive racks of one pocket? Keep in mind as I said I might have 2-3 hours to mess around with it.

 

[JB Cases]

During the 48 hour period I might get a few hours in on a table also as I do not have one at home or at my convenience 24/7. I would have to go to a poolroom and set up a camera so although it sounds like fun it is also a bit of a hassle for me to do. Thanks for the offer though anyway. Nicks challenge would make more sense for me if he is interested, he has seen me play and surely knows I do not play 9 ball. What number would you bet against me in ten consecutive racks of one pocket? Keep in mind as I said I might have 2-3 hours to mess around with it.

It is fine. I was only interested in a heads-up type of thing not really betting against you without me being able to shoot. And I completely understand about the camera issue. Mine is a rinky dink handheld with a cheap tripod thats easy to move around. I completely didnt think about the gear you have to haul around.

Let me know if you ever want to jack around with something like I proposed. Would be fun probably.

 

[stan shuffett]

The stroke problem you mention is caused by your stance. You have to learn proper body position (eyes, shoulders,feet) in order to make it work. If you see the visuals correctly and get down in the right way, you should hit the center of the pocket almost every time. Those "stroke corrections" you make don't have to do with your stroke. Your stroke will be straight if your head-shoulders-feet are in the the right position. You have to find what works for you to center pocket balls using the visuals. Just watch Gerry, Landon and Stan. They have different head positions because they don't perceive the visuals in the same way. watch Gerry's and Landon's head posistion and stance. Big difference between these two players. For me, my head position and my left shoulder almost do all the work.

Correct! Head/eye positions can vary from person to person but the visuals remain the same and place the shooter, visually, a 1/2 tip pivot or an eqivalent visual sweep from the shot line. What's important is that one's focal point from where the visuals are perceived matches cue alignment during full stance.

In general, one's focal point for perceiving visuals should match their strongest visual alignment for a straight in shot.

I will discuss this in more detail on DVD2.

Stan Shuffett

 

[ps611846]

Correct! Head/eye positions can vary from person to person but the visuals remain the same and place the shooter, visually, a 1/2 tip pivot or an eqivalent visual sweep from the shot line. What's important is that one's focal point from where the visuals are perceived matches cue alignment during full stance.

In general, one's focal point for perceiving visuals should match their strongest visual alignment for a straight in shot.

I will discuss this in more detail on DVD2.

Stan Shuffett

Thank you Mr Shuffett. I think I play "on system" right now but i will get your second dvd for additional info. We had arguements in the past but i really appreciate your recent work with the youtube videos you upload. By the way, I built my body stance and foundation watching Landon's videos on youtube. This practice video of him has been the best teacher for me and helped me learn how to perform the two movements.

 

[BeiberLvr]

I always thought that i should stand and shoot with my head to the left side of the cue. That was causing a really bad stroke. And yes, i was making many shots (and also missing badly) but i had the feeling that something was wrong and my stroke was bad. Now, i bring my head to the right and this leads my body to find a stance that will produce a good stroke. My stance now looks like Landon's stance. It is the only way for me to see the visuals correctly and make my body follow. So, while i had the feeling that i should play with my right eye over the cue, i end up using a completely different setup. I can't tell if i am right or left eye dominant. I can just say that i have to keep my head to the right (i am right handed) in order to see the visuals and keep my stroke straight.

Sounds like you are left eye dominant like me. From watching video of Landon play, I'd guess that he is as well. Maybe Stan or Landon can verify.