Fouette Help
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yes Bob. most of the fouetté shafts are in Alisier wood (sorbus ) , usually they like a small diameter 11.5 or 11 mm .
You can copy a youtube URL at a precise time by right-clicking the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=KMkOPDRfGro#t=701s
One meaning of masse is hammer. Masser also means to massage (and maybe to knead, as to knead dough). The first use in print that Shamos lists in his Illustrated Encyclopedia is by Mingaud (who invented the leather tip) in 1827. The first use in English seems to have been in the 1860s.
Fred, you may want to refer to your copy of that Encyclopedia. And then give up the Marseilles thing. You were too long in Boston.
In my minds eye, (or would that be my minds ear?) fouette sounds like BOO-TAY.:thumbup:
Thanks Jude
I guess that closes the book on that. Curses. I like my theory better.
Well, at least I solved the mystery of the name "General Tso's Chicken."
Freddie <~~~ unless the American Chinese Cooking Encyclopedia crushes my dreams, too
I finally got to the poolroom last night and gave this shot a try. When there's a half inch gap and a small angle, this approach is so easy to perform because I'm absolutely certain I'm going to avoid the double-hit. Amazingly, you really don't need a ton of english either although I'm pretty sure the closer and straighter you are, the more english you need.
My only concern is how a ref might rule it. I know it's a good hit but that doesn't mean every ref has to see it that way.
My only concern is how a ref might rule it. I know it's a good hit but that doesn't mean every ref has to see it that way.
in artistic billard, the ref rule about fouette is "stop, then start" . It means than a fouette , to be valid , must show the cue ball to stop a bit before to roll. if it rolls without a stop, then it's a foul.
I must say it's easier to see it on a fouette-follow than on a fouette-draw .
short about the "massé" word : Bob Jewett is right , it has nothing to do with "Marseille" (which is my town
) , it comes from masse=hammer .
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in artistic billard, the ref rule about fouette is "stop, then start" . It means than a fouette , to be valid , must show the cue ball to stop a bit before to roll. if it rolls without a stop, then it's a foul.
I must say it's easier to see it on a fouette-follow than on a fouette-draw .
short about the "massé" word : Bob Jewett is right , it has nothing to do with "Marseille" (which is my town
Yeah, the problem is, I don't think most pool refs have seen the shot before. It really depends on the frame of mind of the ref. I know some that might say, "If it's not clearly bad, it's good" and others that may think, "there's no way you can get a legal hit with that stroke so I'm calling it foul no matter what it does."
I'm going to speak to a BCA head ref about it the next time I see him. I'm really curious if it's something the BCA reviews during training.
in fact fouettés are so hard to judge than it is always judged as a foul in other carom disciplines than artistic.
I think you're right in saying that but I wonder if it's actually a bad hit. I was getting a perfect right-angle carom off the object ball every single time and so much so, that I was no longer worrying about double-hits. I'm pretty convinced it's always good. The only variable is how it will be called.
Well, regardless. Thank you Bob Jewett for taking the time to post the video. It's a great piece of information and very applicable.
Also, if you hit pause, and then "j" for reverse or "l" for forward, you can go frame by frame to find the exact spot you want to copy.
I notice the "toothpick gap" jumps have the same issue happening...
the only way for it to happen legally is if the shaft is super flexible and bends out of the way of the cue ball.
Is there a way to test the flexibility of any given shaft without harming it, so that I can determine if failed fouette or failed microjumps are due to player vs. equipment?
the only way for it to happen legally is if the shaft is super flexible and bends out of the way of the cue ball.
Is there a way to test the flexibility of any given shaft without harming it, so that I can determine if failed fouette or failed microjumps are due to player vs. equipment?
I was nailing them with a Predator shaft. Admittedly, I only did it about 20 times and really only set-up shots with about a half-inch gap. I'll say this, the only bad thing that could happen is a miscue. If I used inside, it ALWAYS fouetted (lol, if that's a word).
one more, by Florian : http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=S9Tq-1ScpdE#t=41s
I'll take that question for now Jude, but please say hi to John for me when you see him.
Absolutely we train very carefuly in double hits, and a good part of the physics study every year is double hit avoidance techniques. While the subject shot is so rare that it does not justity extended demonstration efforts during training, other principles that we hammer home hard should result in the proper call (both examples so far in the thread appear to be good hits based on the limited information presented.)
I of course can't cover a four hour long "physics tor referees" class block, but just let me give you the relevant tidbits that are applicable. First and most important lesson - for any shot, not just these - NEVER anticipate the shot!!! You do have to make some key-ball and key-line decisions ahead of the shot, but after that just sit back and let the balls do the talking.
Next some similar and equally important principles: never frame your opinion of the liklihood of a good shot based either on your own skill level or the shooters. Don't expect a foul because you don't possess the skill to legally execute the shot, and don't expect a good hit just because it's Efren or SVB shooting. And a final VERY important mechanic - when the stick goes vertical or the shooter attacks with an "unusual" angle or tip placement, hold the call untill you are absolutely sure of what the balls have done. Because unlike the huge majority of shots with a mosly level cue and tip at vertical center, the odds of the balls doing something completely unexpected skyrocket.
Some of the principles are hard because they fight human nature, but are easy enough to apply with discipline and practice. And of course that's not that's whole story. Can't even begin to completely describe an hour-plus of double-hit training and demonstrations here.
And refs are humans. We'll never get every one right, but it probably won't be because of lack of training.
Buddy Eick
BCAPL Director of Referee Training
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