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You're absolutely correct. All babies are born with dicks. When the doctor whacks a newborn on the backside, the dicks drop off the dumb ones.
HEy ERic...
If you've got huge man boobs, maybe you should be asking to lose weight instead of asking for more???? :wink::grin-square:
Jaden
i dont buy the "Boob" theory, thats been discussed on the rail for years-there is more to it than that, girls just dont hit the balls like the men do. its all good, they make it work and play very good, just different. I have HUGE man boobs, so perhaps i'll use that excuse next time i ask for weight
If you've got huge man boobs, maybe you should be asking to lose weight instead of asking for more???? :wink::grin-square:
Jaden
I'm not PC, i say it how it is. and will take the heat. on ALL topics. I talk like a racist and am not a racist, i talk like a sextist and i'm not. I just cant roll with the Al Gore PC shit for anyone. If I get tossed forbeing me, i'd rather go out being me than a sissy fag that I'm not. And I got no problem with gays either.
Funniest thing you have ever written, green to you fatboy.
This is an age old topic which has been fiercely debated. But which I believe there is no debate. The results are the proof. The women just cannot complete at the level the men can.
In 2005 - 2006, there was the IPT. At the IPT NA tournament, the very best of the best female players were all there. Only one not included was Jeanette Lee, but she wasn't at the top of her game at the time. Fisher was there, Corr, all of them.
They played against most, not all of the best male players. I say most, because part of Trudeau and Sigel's scam was to put in a good 30 or so semi-pros or A level players to make other pros and champions who were excluded, as well as hundreds of others who are better - run to the qualifiers to get a piece of the pie.
To make a long story short, the tournament could have been even stronger. But, for the sake of this point - it still had the majority of the best male players.
All that said - how did the ladies do? The proof is in the results. They didn't do well at all.
But why get into these debates? Reminds of how this topic became so hot when the US Open first considered including women. There's no question really. The women themselves concede they can't compete on the same level...
How?
Because they have their own tour.
Why do they have their own tour? A: To exclude men who are better at pool.
Because they have their own tour, which is exclusive and forbids male players - out of principle, they should not seek inclusion on tours or tournaments for men.
It becomes a "we have our own, just for us, but we want yours also"
Truth is, there are plenty of "open" tournaments that ladies DO already have the opportunity to play in. And some do. None make it far. They use it for practice, or to feel a higher level so they can better compete on their own ladies tour. The fact that they aren't flocking to these tournaments is proof of what they think their chances are. Some blame the money, that the money isn't there. That's not true. The money IS there. It's just that they have to beat players many levels above them to get it.
Sure, they can beat up on local semi-pros in early rounds at many of these tournaments. Maybe get into the money to cover their expenses. But that is a waste of time. Same effort they can maybe win their own ladies only tournament. And no, there isn't a ladies only tournament scheduled at the same time as every open or men's tournament.
All of this is a concession and admission.
None of this is against the ladies. I love 'em all. This is directed to the delusional fans who think their favorite female player can go head to head with SVB or Appleton.
Whenever there's a woman playing well at an open event, there is always a crowd of guys standing around watching her play, talking about either how they can beat her or how someone they know can beat her. That's the nature of the male beast.
I have witnessed it over and over and over again throughout the years. Every woman who plays well in a tournament has to listen to this crap.
Women don't flock to these events because it's too much of a pain in the butt to have to deal with the male ego.
The second reason women don't flock to these events is that it takes a whole lot of practice to get to a top level. That means a whole lot of practice without earning money. Men seem to be willing to handle that not earning money thing better than women. We like a little security. But even when some women bite the bullet and place their finances on hold, they still have to fade the remarks at a tournament.
It's not fun and it should be fun.
I have witnessed it over and over and over again throughout the years. Every woman who plays well in a tournament has to listen to this crap.
Women don't flock to these events because it's too much of a pain in the butt to have to deal with the male ego.
The second reason women don't flock to these events is that it takes a whole lot of practice to get to a top level. That means a whole lot of practice without earning money. Men seem to be willing to handle that not earning money thing better than women. We like a little security. But even when some women bite the bullet and place their finances on hold, they still have to fade the remarks at a tournament.
It's not fun and it should be fun.
That's quite a generalization you're making there. Don't be confused, there are an equal or greater number of asinine remarks being made by the rail birds watching the men play.
I've watched the lady pros play enough to know I couldn't touch their game. Most of those gals are VERY talented. I use to take racquetball lessons from the #2 ranked female professional in the world. I finally got good enough I caused her to sweat a little when she played me. She still obliterated me but at least had to take a few steps on some points to do so. No shame on my part, there was only one Open level male in the state that could beat her more than 50% of the time. She was a great instructor and really kewl person as well.
Pathetic Shark
Banned
Hilarious.
Now Ive heard everything,,,,,,,Fran maybe you should watch this interview,,,,Pay attention where she says there is no reason why men and women cant compete equally http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aqNBw5PTMQ
John, I don't have to pay attention to a video. I was there front and center. I was part of it. I know what I am saying is right. There are several reasons along the way, but the main one is that the women don't want to deal with the crap they have to go through when they play the men. Sorry you don't like it. That's the way I see it and that's my experience along with many other women.
I can recall that some days it even felt worse than being in a kindergarten classroom with unruly children. Not fun at all.
Why I can even recall at the U.S. Open back when the women were playing, Two top men players, who by the way, post here and are loved and admired, tried to get me in a partner's game trap. They wanted me to put up $200. It was a no-win situation. They were buddies pretending to be on opposite sides, only they didn't know that I knew they were buddies. It was shameful, frankly. That's the kind of crap we had to be exposed to. Yeah sure, don't we all love to play with that going on around us.
No thanks.
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We are talking about two different things.....Im talking about the ability to compete on an equal level, You are talking about something completely different...... Apples and Oranges. I agree with what Jean said, there is no physical reason that men and women cant compete in pool on an equal level...
To Tobermory:
I agree most women hit the ball differently, but the truth is, i like the way they hit it, some of them. I like the softer break. I like Karen Corr's stroke. My argument has never been that women cannnot be as good as men in certain sports, my argument is the attitude that men are somehow holding women back. I don't see that as true. The reality is that no matter how good women get in any particular sport - let's use billiards as an example in this case - there will never be as many of them competing the same ferocity as men because there will never be as many of them playing as men - never - because men in general operate in a tougher arena than women, plain and simple - and if women and their supporters don't think so, then they should surrender their all female leagues and try playing exclusively with the rest of the human race as equals for a change. But as for the stroke of some of the female players, the methodical one I'm talking about seems to stem from snooker, and what I like about it is the non-showy, methodical, down to business attack of it. It doesn't look like any of them are trying to emulate anyone else. But with some American women I get the sense they're trying to imitate the men. Anyway, my point is not whether women are as good as men at anything, only that if they are as good they certainly have every opportunity to prove it. Yes, they will get even better as more of them get involved. But there will never be as many of them involved as men, because they don't need to make money to stay out of prison or off skid row as much as men do.
TJ
I agree most women hit the ball differently, but the truth is, i like the way they hit it, some of them. I like the softer break. I like Karen Corr's stroke. My argument has never been that women cannnot be as good as men in certain sports, my argument is the attitude that men are somehow holding women back. I don't see that as true. The reality is that no matter how good women get in any particular sport - let's use billiards as an example in this case - there will never be as many of them competing the same ferocity as men because there will never be as many of them playing as men - never - because men in general operate in a tougher arena than women, plain and simple - and if women and their supporters don't think so, then they should surrender their all female leagues and try playing exclusively with the rest of the human race as equals for a change. But as for the stroke of some of the female players, the methodical one I'm talking about seems to stem from snooker, and what I like about it is the non-showy, methodical, down to business attack of it. It doesn't look like any of them are trying to emulate anyone else. But with some American women I get the sense they're trying to imitate the men. Anyway, my point is not whether women are as good as men at anything, only that if they are as good they certainly have every opportunity to prove it. Yes, they will get even better as more of them get involved. But there will never be as many of them involved as men, because they don't need to make money to stay out of prison or off skid row as much as men do.
TJ
all the weaker players got better about 20 years ago when Simonis cloth came to America, that narrowed the bag between the Great players and the good players. Nick Varner and I had this conversation. The girls got better when the fast cloth came along.
In the English 8 ball league I play in there is no mens league or womens league, well not in the team event anyway but they do have seperate singles leagues.
In the premier division which is the highest in the region there are 9 women (5 of which make up an all womens team and finished 4th this season) and they are all very good players and can easily hold their own against 95% of players in the league and the other 5% should be playing at a pro level. So there is no reason women shouldn't compete against men, and I think one day they will once the attitudes change of everyone in the sport.
I think some of the womens tennis players, especially Serena and Sharapova could easily compete in the mens game, and tennis is a much more physical sport, so why can't women mix with the men, in a sport that requires no physical advantage to succeed?
In the premier division which is the highest in the region there are 9 women (5 of which make up an all womens team and finished 4th this season) and they are all very good players and can easily hold their own against 95% of players in the league and the other 5% should be playing at a pro level. So there is no reason women shouldn't compete against men, and I think one day they will once the attitudes change of everyone in the sport.
I think some of the womens tennis players, especially Serena and Sharapova could easily compete in the mens game, and tennis is a much more physical sport, so why can't women mix with the men, in a sport that requires no physical advantage to succeed?
I just went to the Bigtruck page, they had two women players that are often on streams.
They spend 10 minutes playing a rack of 10 ball where each of them had ball in hand multiple times. Make a ball, get hooked, make a ball and miss, make 2 balls and miss.
Enjoy it here, was still on as of 9:50 pm EST http://www.poolactiontv.com/pages/Live-Show.html
If my 13 yr old was playing like that, I would spend a hour with him doing drills and talking over what is wrong with his game that he was playing so bad.
They spend 10 minutes playing a rack of 10 ball where each of them had ball in hand multiple times. Make a ball, get hooked, make a ball and miss, make 2 balls and miss.
Enjoy it here, was still on as of 9:50 pm EST http://www.poolactiontv.com/pages/Live-Show.html
If my 13 yr old was playing like that, I would spend a hour with him doing drills and talking over what is wrong with his game that he was playing so bad.
This was my observation from watching the free live streams of the Ultimate 10-ball from Tunica, MS (and I watched a LOT of them):
There was one, maybe two women that were streamed that I am fairly sure I play better than. There was one, maybe two others that I felt that my game was at least on par with. The rest could have cleaned my clock. This was just a "streamed" field of ladies in a single tournament, so I have to keep that into account. Put me in the WPBA U.S. Open and I'd very likely go 2-and-out.
OTOH, I did not see one male "streamed" player that I would have had a "snowball's chance in hell" of beating. Getting a game or two in a race to 10 would have been a stretch against any of the men in the whole field. I rarely see a streamed male player in ANY tournament that I could have a chance against.
I have seen women streamed in tournaments that I feel I could "hang" with on the table.
My point is that there are so many very good pool-playing men in the world (country, state, city, etc.) as opposed to women, who have some really great players, but not in as big a number as do the men. So it stands to reason that filling up a large field in a women's division of a major tournament is going to show a greater diversity of talent at the top of the field as opposed to the bottom of the field, whereas the men's field will almost virtually have players that any one of them has a chance to win (or at least finish high) on any given day.
I am in no way being critical of women or their abilities. I just call it like I see it through my own eyes.
Maniac
There was one, maybe two women that were streamed that I am fairly sure I play better than. There was one, maybe two others that I felt that my game was at least on par with. The rest could have cleaned my clock. This was just a "streamed" field of ladies in a single tournament, so I have to keep that into account. Put me in the WPBA U.S. Open and I'd very likely go 2-and-out.
OTOH, I did not see one male "streamed" player that I would have had a "snowball's chance in hell" of beating. Getting a game or two in a race to 10 would have been a stretch against any of the men in the whole field. I rarely see a streamed male player in ANY tournament that I could have a chance against.
I have seen women streamed in tournaments that I feel I could "hang" with on the table.
My point is that there are so many very good pool-playing men in the world (country, state, city, etc.) as opposed to women, who have some really great players, but not in as big a number as do the men. So it stands to reason that filling up a large field in a women's division of a major tournament is going to show a greater diversity of talent at the top of the field as opposed to the bottom of the field, whereas the men's field will almost virtually have players that any one of them has a chance to win (or at least finish high) on any given day.
I am in no way being critical of women or their abilities. I just call it like I see it through my own eyes.
Maniac
i just want to be clear about one thing, i love the fact the girls are playing pool and i hope they get a tour back on track and play great, i absolutely think they should be out there playing. And if they can compete with the men, then they should.
i reread my posts and wanted to make that clear-dont want anyone to get the wrong idea. i have equal or perhaps more respect for the female champions than the male counterparts. its gotta be harder for girls to come thru the ranks and get to the top.
I respect Jeanette for her action at the Derby, even tho we cant ever make a game, i played her in 93-at the time i played better, not anymore. i will never forget that night, she was so determined , that made a impression on me i'll never forget. I hope she reads this, i should share that with her next time we talk-not to often anymore.
and Jean, what can be said there, wow-IMO best ever, Ruth McGuiness I heard about but that was WAY before my time.
best
eric
i reread my posts and wanted to make that clear-dont want anyone to get the wrong idea. i have equal or perhaps more respect for the female champions than the male counterparts. its gotta be harder for girls to come thru the ranks and get to the top.
I respect Jeanette for her action at the Derby, even tho we cant ever make a game, i played her in 93-at the time i played better, not anymore. i will never forget that night, she was so determined , that made a impression on me i'll never forget. I hope she reads this, i should share that with her next time we talk-not to often anymore.
and Jean, what can be said there, wow-IMO best ever, Ruth McGuiness I heard about but that was WAY before my time.
best
eric
bankoutallday
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Sharapova! She can't compete with a man in tennis. Serena...well she is physically as strong as most male players, so maybe.
If only the players who could win played pro events, the field would be pretty small. No matter the event, 80% of people are dead money. Pool playing isn't like cards, there is no luck of the draw.