Fixing stroke problem

AlexandruM

AlexandruM

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Hi, everybody.

Please help me to improve my stroke. I'm a right hand player, and the main problem is that when I do the practice strokes, I have the tendency to move my forearm closer to the body, especially on power shots, or cut shots. If I try to keep my forearm perfect perpendicular to my arm it seems a bit strange to me, and uncomfortable. Should I keep my arm farthest from the body?
Now I use hammer grip (CJ style), anterior I used a more loose grip, however I don't move my wrist, only the forearm.

How can I fix that problem, and eliminate the tendency to move my forearm closer to body? Can you recommend any drills?

PS When I shoot CB center from spot to the end rail, I can made perfect center shot 2-4 times from 10.

Thank you.
 
Talk to randy g. In one weekend he completly revolutionized my pre shot routine. No joke for four years before my lessons I won 55-60% of my games in league. Since November I have won 85% of my games and around 70% of my matches. I routinely run out now. its crazy the difference he made in my game.

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Are you saying that the cut angle is off line as you stroke harder?

Your stroke isn't always straight.

Try stroking into a coke bottle at different speeds. Note the results until you never hit the lip of the bottle and progress to...always hitting the center of the lip.

Can you remember how much you are off line...none at slow speeds and more at high speeds.

It you can't fix it, then adjust how you aim the same shot to compensate for your bad stroke at speed. :wink:
 
Start by slowing down and try to keep it straight.........

AlexandruM said:
Hi, everybody.

Please help me to improve my stroke. I'm a right hand player, and the main problem is that when I do the practice strokes, I have the tendency to move my forearm closer to the body, especially on power shots, or cut shots. If I try to keep my forearm perfect perpendicular to my arm it seems a bit strange to me, and uncomfortable. Should I keep my arm farthest from the body?
Now I use hammer grip (CJ style), anterior I used a more loose grip, however I don't move my wrist, only the forearm.

How can I fix that problem, and eliminate the tendency to move my forearm closer to body? Can you recommend any drills?

PS When I shoot CB center from spot to the end rail, I can made perfect center shot 2-4 times from 10.

Thank you.
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There are a whole bunch of things that can be tried.

Make sure your hand is not tilted in towards your body. if anything have it cocked out a little.

But without seeing the problem it is really difficult.

Good Luck........
 
RoadHustler said:
Talk to randy g. In one weekend he completly revolutionized my pre shot routine. No joke for four years before my lessons I won 55-60% of my games in league. Since November I have won 85% of my games and around 70% of my matches. I routinely run out now. its crazy the difference he made in my game.
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Unfortunately in my country we don't have access to any instructors, there are some players who give lessons, but is not the same.

LAMas said:
Are you saying that the cut angle is off line as you stroke harder?
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I'm saying that if it is a cut angle, probably due to my incorrect alignment to the shot, I tend to correct it by moving the forearm, I know that the solution should be a correct position at the table. But before the shot, I think that the practice strokes are made correctly, and in the moment of shot I move the forearm.

LAMas said:
Try stroking into a coke bottle at different speeds. Note the results until you never hit the lip of the bottle and progress to...always hitting the center of the lip.
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I tried this, and only for hard shots I touch the lip of bottle, also on the last shot, not at the practice strokes.
 
If you can post some videos from the side front and back that could really help us see the problem.

AlexandruM said:
Hi, everybody.

Please help me to improve my stroke. I'm a right hand player, and the main problem is that when I do the practice strokes, I have the tendency to move my forearm closer to the body, especially on power shots, or cut shots. If I try to keep my forearm perfect perpendicular to my arm it seems a bit strange to me, and uncomfortable. Should I keep my arm farthest from the body?
Now I use hammer grip (CJ style), anterior I used a more loose grip, however I don't move my wrist, only the forearm.

How can I fix that problem, and eliminate the tendency to move my forearm closer to body? Can you recommend any drills?

PS When I shoot CB center from spot to the end rail, I can made perfect center shot 2-4 times from 10.

Thank you.
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AlexandruM said:
Hi, everybody.

Please help me to improve my stroke. I'm a right hand player, and the main problem is that when I do the practice strokes, I have the tendency to move my forearm closer to the body, especially on power shots, or cut shots. If I try to keep my forearm perfect perpendicular to my arm it seems a bit strange to me, and uncomfortable. Should I keep my arm farthest from the body?
Now I use hammer grip (CJ style), anterior I used a more loose grip, however I don't move my wrist, only the forearm.

How can I fix that problem, and eliminate the tendency to move my forearm closer to body? Can you recommend any drills?

PS When I shoot CB center from spot to the end rail, I can made perfect center shot 2-4 times from 10.

Thank you.
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Use long bridge when you can, hold butt from the end, if you cannot do long bridge due to balls and rail drop your elbow at the follow through, like Ronnie O'sullivan
 
naji said:
Use long bridge when you can, hold butt from the end, if you cannot do long bridge due to balls and rail drop your elbow at the follow through, like Ronnie O'sullivan
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Yes, long bridge seems to be a good part of solution. I tried it couple months ago and I played one of my best pool.
 
Your shoulder is probably out of alignment or moving out of line when you try for any power at all. This allows your elbow to "chicken wing" and follow your shoulder by also moving away from your body. Your hand/wrist moves in closer to your body to compensate probably causing right spin.

I think there's too much emphasis on leaving a bunch of room between our stroke arm and our body. As we get down, our hip moves out of the way allowing for plenty of room for our arm.

The reason for the elbow jutting out is that the hand is trying to stay closer to the body. Moving the hand away from the body to consciously correct for elbow jut is the opposite of what we should be doing. Bringing the hand slightly closer to the body brings the shoulder and elbow into alignment.

We see great players like Sigel standing far away from their cue and try to emulate his independent movement. This might work for some, but the average player will most likely need to keep their hand just off of their hip to have good cue control. This keeps the shoulder and elbow from moving out and forward on firmer shots.

Best,
Mike
 
I just thought about this........

genomachino said:
There are a whole bunch of things that can be tried.

Make sure your hand is not tilted in towards your body. if anything have it cocked out a little.

But without seeing the problem it is really difficult.

Good Luck........
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Usually if a player is swaying the stick in close to the body during the stroke they are too choked up on the cue stick.

Move your hand back a few inches. When you stroke forward you are running out of stroke at the end. This can cause the hand and butt of the cue to go towards your body.

Good luck with that. Let me know if that helped. It should.

But still slow it down almost in slow motion. Then speed it up a little each time until your up to speed.

This is usually what causes this problem or at least the most obvious thing.
 
do what the snooker guys do..
take that pool stick and let it rub up against your side. you now have three points of contact, the grip, bridge hand, and side of body. add a 4th if you can which would be the chin.
that stroke ain't going nowhere but straight my friend.
steven

ps
if you adopt any of this, Don't move while you stroke, if you move and you make the ball you must have been doing something wrong to begin with.
focus on your butt {ass} not moving, your body gotta be quiet. only movement can be in stroke.
good luck
edit:
work on this shot, imho the best way to refine ones stroke. No aiming required.
center ball stop shot. hit it very firm. I just checked out a couple minutes of it and the only ball I hit perfect was the third shot. center ball is very hard to hit perfect, I think.


https://vimeo.com/39948210
 
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Here is a quick checklist to help you out:
Make sure your grip is loose and stays loose throughout the stroking process. This is a pretty typical issue with students that I have taught.

Make sure your arm is perpendicular to the cue stick at the moment you strike the cue. To do this just stroke up to the cue, and check your hand position. A mirror could be helpful if you dont have someone else to show you.

Make sure you keep your cue as level as possible. The shaft should rest on the table at the moment you strike the cue ball.

These 3 things will go a long way to correcting errors in your stroke - although they are difficult to fix without demonstration or techniques to fix.

Steve
 
boyersj said:
Here is a quick checklist to help you out:
Make sure your grip is loose and stays loose throughout the stroking process. This is a pretty typical issue with students that I have taught.

Make sure your arm is perpendicular to the cue stick at the moment you strike the cue. To do this just stroke up to the cue, and check your hand position. A mirror could be helpful if you dont have someone else to show you.

Make sure you keep your cue as level as possible. The shaft should rest on the table at the moment you strike the cue ball.

These 3 things will go a long way to correcting errors in your stroke - although they are difficult to fix without demonstration or techniques to fix.

Steve
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With regard to the sentence in bold above, really?? After striking the cueball and completion of follow-through, I believe would be more correct!
 
Randy9Ball said:
With regard to the sentence in bold above, really?? After striking the cueball and completion of follow-through, I believe would be more correct!
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If the pendulum stroke is used, which is by far the easiest to learn, then yes.
Think about it this way, the contact point (ball address) is at the bottom of the stroke, so the cue will come OFF the table during the follow-through.

Try it at the table sometime!

Steve
 
boyersj said:
... Make sure you keep your cue as level as possible. The shaft should rest on the table at the moment you strike the cue ball. ...
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I think it is clearer to say:

If the cue stick passes over the rail on the shot, you should not use any more elevation than is required for your stick (and possibly grip hand) to comfortably clear the rail. If you use a pendulum stroke, the closest the stick will approach the rail will be at tip-ball impact assuming your forearm is perpendicular to the cue stick at that time.

Or at least, that's what I think you were getting at. For some shots the cue stick does not pass over a rail.
 
Bob,

I agree - I was being somewhat generic. Sometimes I forget that can become confusing.
Thank you for the clarification!
 
Have you seen that shot glove thing?

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AlexandruM said:
Next couple days I can't do video, but I'll do it and post here. Hope to get more suggestions until then.
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be very aware of your grip hand you may be tightening your grip on the final stroke when shooting hard this will cause your tip to move,
 
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